Katie Hopkins - Outspoken or just vile?

fedor.2. · 18-04-2015 05:05PM

bjork wrote: »

Am what?
Wrong?
Prove it

Take no notice of him

bjork · 18-04-2015 05:11PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

I find her refreshing

There are too many mouthpieces towing the PC party line. I agree> She is refreshing

Nodin · 18-04-2015 05:13PM

bjork wrote: »

Am what?
Wrong?
Prove it

It's self evident. Unless you care to try and justify the likes of

She then refers to migrants in Calais who try to board trucks heading to Britain as “a plague of feral humans”.

Feel free.

18-04-2015 05:15PM

All her slaggings of ''Full-time Mammies" are exactly what people on here spout themselves,me included. Check out the Facebook status thread sure. And then there's the Worst Name You've Ever Heard thread, many of the sentiments in there are like what this one talks about.

bjork · 18-04-2015 05:16PM

Nodin wrote: »

It's self evident. Unless you care to try and justify the likes of

Feel free.

Is she wrong?

Why don't you let them stay with you?

Nodin · 18-04-2015 05:22PM

bjork wrote: »

Is she wrong?

Why don't you let them stay with you?

Obviously. I take it you aren't going to prove her statement about "feral humans" correct?

I'm Irish, and they are heading to Britain, a country we are neighbour to.
However I do donate money directly to charities involved in helping refugees.
Don't worry - I'm sure some refugees from somewhere will end up living close to you at some point.

bjork · 18-04-2015 05:26PM

Nodin wrote: »

Obviously. I take it you aren't going to prove her statement about "feral humans" correct?

I'm Irish, and they are heading to Britain, a country we are neighbour to.
However I do donate money directly to charities involved in helping refugees.
Don't worry - I'm sure some refugees from somewhere will end up living close to you at some point.

"Feral humans" > Wouldn't the correct non feral way to do things be to apply through the proper channels instead of camping in large numbers, refusing to move, threatening people? That doesn't sound too civilized to me

Is there a war in France I'm unaware of, that they need to seek asylum from?

well spoken man · 18-04-2015 05:28PM

I love her....but not in that way...

Nodin · 18-04-2015 05:31PM

bjork wrote: »

"Feral humans" > Wouldn't the correct non feral way to do things be to apply through the proper channels instead of camping in large numbers, refusing to move, threatening people? That doesn't sound too civilized to me?

Sounds like a picket, strike or other dispute. All common in the civilised west. France is well known for that sort of thing, you know.

Just so we're clear, Feral -

1. existing in a natural state, as animals or plants; not domesticated or cultivated; wild.
2. having reverted to the wild state, as from domestication: a pack of feral dogs roaming the woods.

3. of or characteristic of wild animals; ferocious; brutal.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feral

She referred to them as "Feral humans", not in relation to their behaviour.

bjork wrote: »

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Is there a war in France I'm unaware of, that they need to seek asylum from?

They obviously believe - for whatever reason - they'll do better elsewhere. It's a basic human characteristic that one would try to improve one's situation as one saw best.

bjork · 18-04-2015 05:38PM

Nodin wrote: »

Sounds like a picket, strike or other dispute. All common in the civilised west. France is well known for that sort of thing, you know.

Just so we're clear, Feral -

1. existing in a natural state, as animals or plants; not domesticated or cultivated; wild.
2. having reverted to the wild state, as from domestication: a pack of feral dogs roaming the woods.

3. of or characteristic of wild animals; ferocious; brutal.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feral

She referred to them as "Feral humans", not in relation to their behaviour.

They obviously believe - for whatever reason - they'll do better elsewhere. It's a basic human characteristic that one would try to improve one's situation as one saw best.

Living outside the laws of the land, Living by the rules of nature, Living in the woods - how much closer to a natural state can one be?

So living in a camp, trying to get on a truck for 2 years, is better than living in France, where the benefits are higher than the UK, and building on that for 2 years. You'd learn French in that time and could be learning the ways of your new culture and be earning money by then.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29074736

The issue recently made headlines after a ferry bound for the UK was stormed by about 235 illegal migrants earlier this week.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29902959

They sleep under tarpaulins in muddy fields, strewn with rubbish.
By day they sleep, or crowd around small fires making tea or porridge. By night, they line the roads leading to the ferry, desperately trying to scramble on to any vehicles they can. In the last week, we were told, three men have been killed on the roads here.
Charities here have told us the conditions at the camps do not meet basic humanitarian needs. Medecins du Monde, which provides some food and hygiene facilities here, says it is as bad as Darfur.

^^I think they have built a new camp since?

Cupcake_Crisis · 18-04-2015 06:05PM

She's absolutely vile, but she only says half the things she says for publicity and money. I just can't believe anyone could be that openly ignorant, offensive and ..... Stupid really. She has to be doing it for money.

B_Wayne · 18-04-2015 06:07PM

bjork wrote: »

There are too many mouthpieces towing the PC party line. I agree> She is refreshing

Dehumanising people from other nations and describing them as 'cockroaches' is refreshing? A famous piece of Nazi propaganda called 'The Eternal Jew' was pretty similar to her remarks tbh. Jewish migration is where they are likened to rats in the piece Would you say the Eternal Jew is also refreshing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eternal_Jew_%281940_film%29#Themes

Nodin · 18-04-2015 06:08PM

bjork wrote: »

Living outside the laws of the land, Living by the rules of nature, Living in the woods - how much closer to a natural state can one be?

People evade laws all the time, and many enjoy the outdoors. Others live there of nessecity.

"living by the rules of nature" - what do you mean by that, exactly?

And what is their "natural state"?

bjork wrote: »

So living in a camp, trying to get on a truck for 2 years, is better than living in France, where the benefits are higher than the UK, and building on that for 2 years. You'd learn French in that time and could be learning the ways of your new culture and be earning money by then.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29074736?

Evidently they believe they will do better elsewhere - I've no idea why myself. Well done on acknowledging that they do not seem to be coming to Britain for the benefits - you've just proved her wrong on that score.

bjork wrote: »

They sleep under tarpaulins in muddy fields, strewn with rubbish.
By day they sleep, or crowd around small fires making tea or porridge. By night, they line the roads leading to the ferry, desperately trying to scramble on to any vehicles they can. In the last week, we were told, three men have been killed on the roads here.
Charities here have told us the conditions at the camps do not meet basic humanitarian needs. Medecins du Monde, which provides some food and hygiene facilities here, says it is as bad as Darfur.?

Dire stuff indeed, and the condition many of the homeless find themselves in, unfortunately.

Nodin · 18-04-2015 06:09PM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

She's absolutely vile, but she only says half the things she says for publicity and money. I just can't believe anyone could be that openly ignorant, offensive and ..... Stupid really. She has to be doing it for money.

After a few years on the internet, you realise yes, there can be. Not that she's necessarily one of them, but they exist.

bjork · 18-04-2015 06:13PM

Nodin wrote: »

People evade laws all the time, and many enjoy the outdoors. Others live there of nessecity.

"living by the rules of nature" - what do you mean by that, exactly?

And what is their "natural state"?

Evidently they believe they will do better elsewhere - I've no idea why myself. Well done on acknowledging that they do not seem to be coming to Britain for the benefits - you've just proved her wrong on that score.

Dire stuff indeed, and the condition many of the homeless find themselves in, unfortunately.

:pac: Brilliant: Is what your telling me these are living in camps in Calais because they enjoy the outdoors? Would you give over

A couple (5?) years in the legion and you have french citizenship

mrsguest1988 · 18-04-2015 06:13PM

She is a vile creature and I find it paints a sad picture of our society if people like her are able to make a living of being a bully and outright nasty to other people, for no other reason than monetary.

MathDebater · 18-04-2015 06:21PM

Nodin wrote: »

Obviously. I take it you aren't going to prove her statement about "feral humans" correct?

I'm Irish, and they are heading to Britain, a country we are neighbour to.
However I do donate money directly to charities involved in helping refugees.
Don't worry - I'm sure some refugees from somewhere will end up living close to you at some point.

What are the lads in Calais seeking refuge from? France isn't that bad.

MathDebater · 18-04-2015 06:26PM

They were chucking Christians off the boats. Murder Christians on the way to seek refuge in a predominantly Christian country.

Muslims trying to get from Libya to Italy in a boat threw 12 fellow passengers overboard, killing them, because they were Christians.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/16/europe/italy-migrants-christians-thrown-overboard/

crockholm · 18-04-2015 06:32PM

I bet she is articulating what an increasing amount of Europeans (Continental,at least Think),you in Ireland realistically won't have much to do with the illegals.Let her say what the hell she wants( do you feel a bit hypocritical holding your "Je suis Charlie" placard now),It is not like she owns a gunboat or anything.

Surely the ire should be reserved for the politicians who allowed and indeed encouraged this large scale illegal activity.Europe does not need or even want all these economic migrants coming in,and with the high birthrates in their home countries,this isn't a condition that will just resolve itself by doing nothing.

folamh · 18-04-2015 06:48PM

Regardless of the acceptability of her comments, they are not necessarily racist. She thinks that it's in virtue of their migrant status rather than their race that these people are "feral" etc. Criticize her comments for what they are, but there's no need to Hitler-bait.

folamh · 18-04-2015 06:50PM

crockholm wrote: »

Let her say what the hell she wants( do you feel a bit hypocritical holding your "Je suis Charlie" placard now),It is not like she owns a gunboat or anything.

Katie's freedom of speech includes everyone else's freedom to criticize what she says.

Riddle101 · 18-04-2015 07:02PM

I really don't know why she gets published at all

Controversy creates cash. No matter how much people hate her, they will always listen/read to what she says because of her outspokenness and vile criticisms. They publish her because they know they can make money off of her ranting, no matter how unpopular. It's a cheap way for them to sell papers basically.

MathDebater · 18-04-2015 07:26PM

folamh wrote: »

Regardless of the acceptability of her comments, they are not necessarily racist. She thinks that it's in virtue of their migrant status rather than their race that these people are "feral" etc. Criticize her comments for what they are, but there's no need to Hitler-bait.

People seem more upset by her use of the word 'feral' than the hundreds of thousands of illegals entering Europe by boat. 16k alone last week(including the murderers). Something must be done to stop them.

nullzero · 18-04-2015 07:39PM

She's the new host of Top Gear surely.

Eugene Norman · 18-04-2015 07:45PM

I don't understand the Calais thing myself. Not only should you claim asylum in the country you are in ( rather the first country you arrive) if you are granted that asylum and later gain citizenship you can move to the UK. It's a bit odd. Clearly the asylum seekers think that France has tougher laws than the UK.

Wacker The Attacker · 18-04-2015 07:45PM

She's a selfish miserable c*nt who is clearly incapable of proper journalism.

The second problem is that she is given a platform to vent her spleen albeit a rag that anyone with two brain cells wouldn't wipe their arse with.

Thirdly people give her the oxygen of publicity that she clearly doesnt deserve.

folamh · 18-04-2015 07:48PM

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

She's a selfish miserable c*nt who is clearly incapable of proper journalism.

Yeah and people using misogynist slurs to criticize her are so much better.

Boom_Bap · 18-04-2015 07:58PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I don't understand the Calais thing myself. Not only should you claim asylum in the country you are in ( rather the first country you arrive) if you are granted that asylum and later gain citizenship you can move to the UK. It's a bit odd. Clearly the asylum seekers think that France has tougher laws than the UK.

There are some good documentaries about Calais, there is a massive shanty town beside the port with people waiting for their change to try get into a container. They try some genius things to try get to the UK.
Customs are catching the same people repeatedly and when they stop catching them, they know they have slipped past.

As for Katie Hopkins, I just think back to the interview where she berated people for naming their children after country and city names.
Her daughters name is India.

She is obviously saying things that people want to hear, the type of people that buy the sh*tty rag newspapers she appears in.

Gobsh*te is the most accurate term for her

MathDebater · 18-04-2015 08:05PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I don't understand the Calais thing myself. Not only should you claim asylum in the country you are in ( rather the first country you arrive) if you are granted that asylum and later gain citizenship you can move to the UK. It's a bit odd. Clearly the asylum seekers think that France has tougher laws than the UK.

It's amazing that all the 'asylum seekers' seem to be young men. The women and children must be bravely fighting the wars back home so the young men can flee. Fair play to them.

InitiumNovum · 18-04-2015 08:23PM

Personally, I love her. People who say hateful things about her are only trying to rationalize their own ineptitude. For example, her tirades against obesity and those who want to promote "fat acceptance". What she says is essentially true for the most part when it comes to this topic.

People say her approach is a little rash, but it's just brutal honesty. I'm not a thin person myself but I'm working towards loosing weight and I really don't think the people who say I should be happy the way I am are not out for my own good at all.

A lot of fat people need to be shamed, they need to be given a kick up the bum to encourage them to loose weight. That's the simply truth of it. The enablers, the people who promote fat acceptance, essentially don't care for the physical or mental health of the people they purport to represent.

Most of the time, these enablers are obese themselves. Psychologically, these people have a high time preference and/or don't want to take responsibility for their appearance, so instead they want to lower standards and engage in rationalization. The attitudes of these enablers are literally toxic, vile and carcinogenic, all wrapped up in a veil of "tolerance" and "acceptance", but it's all a façade. They project their anger onto people like Hopkins because she's telling the truth and they don't want to face it.

Katie Hopkins - Outspoken or just vile?

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