Have you ever been treated differently because of your 'race'?

FTA69 · 18-04-2015 03:25PM

Precious flower wrote: »

Not according to the definition of racism: "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

"hatred or intolerance of another race or other races."
I'm not trying to be smart or anything, just pointing out that it is more like xenaphobia or discrimination, than racism.

According to the UN:

Article 1 of the Convention defines "racial discrimination" as

...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.[23]

By your logic calling someone a "Paki" isn't racist as they're Causcasian as well.

Tarzana2 · 18-04-2015 03:26PM

Angry_Mammarys wrote: »

Hahahaha oh my god that made me laugh!! 'Hello George Bush!!!! Hey George Bush!!!!'

what the hell like!!:eek:

All those white guys look the same. :pac:

heldel00 · 18-04-2015 03:29PM

Precious flower wrote: »

Guys Irish isn't a race. Ye are confusing ethnicity with race.

Why let facts get in the way of a good story!!!

Mongfinder General · 18-04-2015 03:29PM

Precious flower wrote: »

Guys Irish isn't a race. Ye are confusing ethnicity with race.

Careful now, you're educating people with that last comment...although is nationality and ethnicity the same thing?

faceman · 18-04-2015 03:30PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Folder goes missing in work and that's so Irish. Labels wrong on the pallet and that's also Irish

Irish = disorganised and all wrong

I listened to all this when I worked in a Yorkshire factory after my leaving cert

But it wasn't aimed at me, well I don't think so. As it's a phrase I see on boards.ie every few weeks too by posters here!!

Oh yes I had forgotten about those comments. This Israeli girl I knew in Kenya showed us a book in Hebrew and how how it's written from right left rather left to right that we use in most languages. One of the other lads in the group who was born in Kenya but his Ma is Indian and his Da English says

"Ha! That's crazy. It's so Irish"

FFS

Bench Press · 18-04-2015 03:32PM

faceman wrote: »

Oh yes I had forgotten about those comments. This Israeli girl I knew in Kenya showed us a book in Hebrew and how how it's written from right left rather left to right that we use in most languages. One of the other lads in the group who was born in Kenya but his Ma is Indian and his Da English says

"Ha! That's crazy. It's so Irish"

FFS

ah that's only a bit of banter ffs, being called an "Irish ****" is being racially abused

18-04-2015 03:32PM

volchitsa wrote: »

I don't really understand this post. What do y mean by "speak Irelande"? Do you mean they thought they were speaking Irish to you, using the same words and all? I've been to France a good bit, when people hear you speaking French with an accent they usually know you're English-speaking, but not many are capable of identifying an Irish accent from an English or an American one.

He means once he made it clear he was irish and speaking english they were friendlier ...
sounds like they assumed anyone looking to parlez vous anglais WAS anglais

We've had a few changes of heart once people found out we were irish and not english on the continent also

MonkeyTennis · 18-04-2015 03:32PM

Guys you must know why I asked it .. can we all be a bit nicer ? just askin

Bobby Baccala · 18-04-2015 03:33PM

People always call me paddy

FTA69 · 18-04-2015 03:34PM

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Guys you must know why I asked it .. can we all be a bit nicer ? just askin

Fack off you Paddy cant.

Tarzana2 · 18-04-2015 03:34PM

heldel00 wrote: »

Why let facts get in the way of a good story!!!

Even if it's not strictly racism, it's just as bad.

faceman · 18-04-2015 03:34PM

Bench Press wrote: »

ah that's only a bit of banter ffs, being called an "Irish ****" is being racially abused

Now you're being Irish

the_syco · 18-04-2015 03:35PM

volchitsa wrote: »

What do y mean by "speak Irelande"?

It combines "do you speak english" and "I'm Irish" into one sentence. It is possible that part of Nantes I was in just associated "people who spoke english", with "trouble"?

crockholm · 18-04-2015 03:36PM

Yeah,I Think treated differently rather than ethnic slurs (though I have recieved those too), at the Swedish eqivalent of FAS when I was out of work,even from the get go the people from the middle east were getting a helluva lot more help than me.I asked themabout re-training or reskilling and they said their budget wouldn't allow it,though it seemed to allow for African lads to get bus driving licences and training as broadband fiber installation Courses etc.

Tarzana2 · 18-04-2015 03:37PM

I've been treated differently because of my assumed race.

Had an old bat in Tesco yelling at me "DO YOU EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH?"

No idea where she thought pale ol' me was from. I've got dark hair and eyes and I suppose my underlying skin tone veers towards olive, but I'm still very pale. But it was unpleasant and an insight into what others probably experience on a regular basis.

I'm not racist or bigoted myself, but I am old battist! :cool:

Just a little Samba · 18-04-2015 03:39PM

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

It really feels bad. Once in England and once in The Czech Rep.. ( that was just weird)

I live in South Asia for 3-4 months a year, so every time I step outside my door while there pretty much I get treated differently because of my race.

People randomly asking to take pictures with you, restaurants giving you extra special treatment, supermarkets opening a till just so you don't have to queue, taxi's pulling over all the time (instead of ignoring everyone trying to wave them down).

Takes a bit of getting used to.

bnt · 18-04-2015 03:43PM

I was a white person in South Africa for several years, so ... yeah. That was well over 20 years ago: to be a white person over there these days is to have a target painted on your back, basically.

One eyed Jack · 18-04-2015 03:44PM

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Thats kin awful man.

Ahh no, jaysus I wouldn't take those kinds of comments seriously. I was more confused by the comments than upset by them. Even now thinking of them makes me laugh tbh

I think that's maybe the thing though - if I had been Chinese or Italian, I dunno would I have taken them more to heart? I think insults like that only work if the person who is the subject of the insults understands what they meant before really or is already consciously thinking it of themselves that they are somehow inferior to the insultee already.

18-04-2015 03:47PM

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

Yes,had racist comments directed at me by an Asian fellow when I worked in London as a youngster.

The usual thick Paddy sh1te which was seemingly acceptable at the time over there.

I just said don't even go there little brown man.

This made me laugh!

pablomakaveli · 18-04-2015 03:57PM

Only 2 occasions i can think of. Had a Scottish guy ask me where i was from and when i told him he said "So you're a fenian then?". I just replied "I take it youre a hun then?" and he just said "Fair enough".

The other was when i was on a night out in Warrington with my cousin. Was chatting to her girl on the street and her male friend kept butting in calling insulting me because i was Irish. Since i was a bit drunk i lost my temper and started bollocking him loudly and telling him if he said one more thing i'd smash his face in. Had to calm down as i was suddenly surrounded by 3 bouncers and turned around to see my cousin pissing himself laughing because the lad i had been shouting at looked like he was going to piss his pants. I found it funny as well afterwards.

Precious flower · 18-04-2015 03:58PM

FTA69 wrote: »

According to the UN:

Article 1 of the Convention defines "racial discrimination" as

By your logic calling someone a "Paki" isn't racist as they're Causcasian as well.

I'll concede to that, I didn't realise the UN had a slightly different definition. Fair point, they are Caucasians. Those from Pakistan are often singled out by the colour of their skin in comparison to those who are white and speak English, that is why I would consider that racism. However, and I don't want to derail the thread so I'm leaving it at this. Within the Irish context I would see that kind of behaviour as more xenaphobia than racism unless it was a black man attacking a white man or vice versa.

Anyway racism or xenophobia or bigotry is bad and only displayed by ignorant and foolish people and that'd the point of this thread.:)

Berserker · 18-04-2015 05:00PM

Not on race but on nationality. Growing up in Ireland with an English accent. I have been spat at and called an English, British, Proddie, Orange (even though I am not a member of the organisation) b. Brushed off the remarks as I recognise that the majority of Irish people are decent people but the spitting shook me properly as I was only ten at the time.

18-04-2015 05:12PM

bnt wrote: »

I was a white person in South Africa for several yearsso ... yeah. That was well over 20 years ago: to be a white person over there these days is to have a target painted on your back, basically.

Did you change colour like MJ?

bjork · 18-04-2015 05:14PM

I was called "milky" and "cracker" in Tunisia fairly regularly. Then we had to pay the non-local price in the shops for stuff.

Nodin · 18-04-2015 05:15PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Did you change colour like MJ?

That's a dedication to integrate with the wider community you don't often see.

smurgen · 18-04-2015 05:36PM

As a 10 year old me and my old man were called stupid irish ***** by a Welch old guy who was working for a breakdown assistance company.he actually was fired after we reported him.horrible man.

Was in a group of professional at a work function in Geneva and a south African white woman wouldn't communicate with me cause I was irish.she'd a few drinks and walked over to me in the bar and went on a rant about how the irish were treacherous terrorists that her friend lost an eye in an ira bombing.literally one of the worst people I've met and worst still I rose to the bait.i called her everything under the sun and she was literally frothing at the mouth.

Jawgap · 18-04-2015 05:44PM

I lived in the UK for over 10 years and in all that time only once was a racist comment directed at me with malice when during a rugby match a player called me a 'Fuppin thick Paddy' and suggested I go home.

His only problem was I was the ref!

So it was him who was sent home! He was subsequently suspended for 18 months from playing, and kicked out by his club who wrote me a very nice letter apologising and making it clear what they thought of him. This was in addition to the effusive apologies offered by his skipper and club president after the game.

18-04-2015 05:53PM

smurgen wrote: »

As a 10 year old me and my old man were called stupid irish ***** by a Welch old guy who was working for a breakdown assistance company.he actually was fired after we reported him.horrible man.

Was in a group of professional at a work function in Geneva and a south African white woman wouldn't communicate with me cause I was irish.she'd a few drinks and walked over to me in the bar and went on a rant about how the irish were treacherous terrorists that her friend lost an eye in an ira bombing.literally one of the worst people I've met and worst still I rose to the bait.i called her everything under the sun and she was literally frothing at the mouth.

Her friend lost an eye in an IRA bomb?

Think I might have taken her abuse on the chin and pointed out that they did not represent the Irish, rather than swear at her for not being rational when understandably distressed.

Berserker · 18-04-2015 05:57PM

smurgen wrote: »

Was in a group of professional at a work function in Geneva and a south African white woman wouldn't communicate with me cause I was irish.she'd a few drinks and walked over to me in the bar and went on a rant about how the irish were treacherous terrorists that her friend lost an eye in an ira bombing.literally one of the worst people I've met and worst still I rose to the bait.i called her everything under the sun and she was literally frothing at the mouth.

I think you could have handled that a lot better. She probably thinks that Irish people are aggressive, unsympathetic and rude now too.

cloud493 · 18-04-2015 06:00PM

Not that I'm aware. 'Worst' I've ever had is to be referred to as a brit and what not, but never in a negative way.

Have you ever been treated differently because of your 'race'?

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