Terminator Genisys

seamus · 14-04-2015 04:34PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

The T-1000 seemed like a real threat, if it was within arms reach you were dead. Now Terminators fling people around over and over, instead of punching into their chests and ripping out their heart, or impaling them.

Actually, thinking about it, Terminators were always a serious threat.

It wasn't just the T-1000, it was the T-800 in the first Terminator as well. You just didn't get into close combat with them. If you did, you died. Very much like the Aliens of that trilogy.

Reese was badly injured when they entered the factory, but the T800 gave him a couple of slaps and knocked him down some steps. And he died. There was no dramatic 20m throw across the room, just an insanely hard smash across the skull and he's gone. In fact, just watching it there now it's clear that Reese confronts the Terminator just to slow it down and give Sarah time to run. He doesn't expect to survive.

It was really T3 which broke that formula and then Salvation shat all over it.

Thargor · 14-04-2015 04:45PM

seamus wrote: »

Actually, thinking about it, Terminators were always a serious threat.

It wasn't just the T-1000, it was the T-800 in the first Terminator as well. You just didn't get into close combat with them. If you did, you died. Very much like the Aliens of that trilogy.

Reese was badly injured when they entered the factory, but the T800 gave him a couple of slaps and knocked him down some steps. And he died. There was no dramatic 20m throw across the room, just an insanely hard smash across the skull and he's gone. In fact, just watching it there now it's clear that Reese confronts the Terminator just to slow it down and give Sarah time to run. He doesn't expect to survive.

It was really T3 which broke that formula and then Salvation shat all over it.

In Salvation theres a bit at the start after the helicopter crashes where John Connor is caught in the open by a T600 with no legs, instead of just killing him it grabs him by his collar being careful not to hurt his throat, and then it throws him far enough away that he's able to escape from it because straight after the throw it has to start crawling after him! Its one of the most pathetic things in the new Terminators.

I wonder if Cameron might be tempted to do a proper Terminator 3 when the rights revert to him or if he'll just let it die?

SirLemonhead · 14-04-2015 04:47PM

Didn't Reese get knocked down the stairs when his explosive went off?

The Terminators did a lot of throwing, when unarmed. One of the punks, Matt, The bikers in T2...

Mr Freeze · 14-04-2015 04:49PM

seamus wrote: »

Actually, thinking about it, Terminators were always a serious threat.

It wasn't just the T-1000, it was the T-800 in the first Terminator as well. You just didn't get into close combat with them. If you did, you died. Very much like the Aliens of that trilogy.

Totally agree, I just used the T-1000 as an example.

When I think of a Terminator, I think of Kyle Reeses description from T1.

Kyle Reese: Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

The T-800 and T-1000 were lethal. In the films that followed they fling humans around rather than outright kill them as soon as they are within range.

SirLemonhead · 14-04-2015 04:56PM

Thargor wrote: »

Whats a Matt fight?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Kdw8mRWXo5c#t=2350

Watch the first movie

It's really good

pixelburp · 14-04-2015 04:59PM

Thargor wrote: »

In Salvation theres a bit at the start after the helicopter crashes where John Connor is caught in the open by a T600 with no legs, instead of just killing him it grabs him by his collar being careful not to hurt his throat, and then it throws him far enough away that he's able to escape from it because straight after the throw it has to start crawling after him! Its one of the most pathetic things in the new Terminators.

That happened quite a bit in 'Salvation' all right, but to me it's the difference between Terminator 1 being (essentially) a low-budget horror film and the later sequels being studio bankrolled blockbusters that spawned a themepark ride. The audience Genisys is after wants to be excited, not threatened or made fearful. The threat can't be too immediate or too real. There's no point hoping or expecting a return to the original films visceral, high-stakes thrills because that's simply not what the franchise is about anymore. It's a victim of its own success.

Thargor · 14-04-2015 04:59PM

SirLemonhead wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Kdw8mRWXo5c#t=2350

Watch the first movie It's really good

Ive seen it 20 times, I still have no idea what a Matt fight is...

check_six · 14-04-2015 05:24PM

Thargor wrote: »

Ive seen it 20 times, I still have no idea what a Matt fight is...

Sarah's flatmate's boyfriend gets chucked around and through a glass/mirrored door. He doesn't survive it though. Neither does the flatmate.

Simon2015 · 14-04-2015 06:44PM

I think the best we can hope for with Terminator Genisys is that its as good as Terminator 3. It certainly wont be anywhere near as good as T1 or T2.

Adamantium · 14-04-2015 07:16PM

seamus wrote: »

it was the T-800 in the first Terminator as well. You just didn't get into close combat with them. If you did, you died. Very much like the Aliens of that trilogy.

Reese was badly injured when they entered the factory, but the T800 gave him a couple of slaps and knocked him down some steps. And he died. There was no dramatic 20m throw across the room, just an insanely hard smash across the skull and he's gone. In fact, just watching it there now it's clear that Reese confronts the Terminator just to slow it down and give Sarah time to run. He doesn't expect to survive.

This surprised me when I first watched it, not because it was bad, but because how of how used we're watching people get up after being cloberred senseless by weighty objects, and then Sarah turns him over and it's a "oh no... fcuk" moment. How often do we hear of people being damaged/killed by or disabled in workplaces by heavy machinery and those things aren't sentient, not imagine they are. Terrifying concept.

Fr Dougal was right when he said that Herby was a scary film

Seeing The Sarah Connor Chronicles dead 5 years now and this stuff going is frustrating.

Thargor · 14-04-2015 08:28PM

check_six wrote: »

Sarah's flatmate's boyfriend gets chucked around and through a glass/mirrored door. He doesn't survive it though. Neither does the flatmate.

Doh, sorry, no Youtube at work.

ps3lover · 14-04-2015 09:04PM

I read the John Connor reveal in the trailer is a major plot spoiler.

seamus · 14-04-2015 09:05PM

SirLemonhead wrote: »

Didn't Reese get knocked down the stairs when his explosive went off?

Looking at it again today, he rolled down the stairs to try and get away from the explosion, but it's pretty clear that he was on the verge of death after a smack from the Terminator

The Terminators did a lot of throwing, when unarmed. One of the punks, Matt, The bikers in T2...

True, true, but in T1 they all die, pretty quickly - not the Matrix-esque throws against a brick wall followed by the human running off. Matt comes flying through the stud wall, dead.

On the bikers, there's some in-depth analysis of the Terminator's HUD which proves that it was in covert mode and thus was aiming to draw minimal attention to itself. So a bloodbath would not have been wise. But that's going way down a geeky hole

SirLemonhead · 15-04-2015 12:32AM

seamus wrote: »

Looking at it again today, he rolled down the stairs to try and get away from the explosion, but it's pretty clear that he was on the verge of death after a smack from the Terminator

Yeah it almost looks like he accidentally kills himself...landed on his neck I guess. ouch $:\$

MisterAnarchy · 15-04-2015 01:22AM

Grays Sports Almanac wrote: »

The original Terminator movies were more than simply 'turn your brain off movies' (an excuse for sub par action movies these days). They were interesting with strong characters and great sci-fi storytelling.

Well said.

Too many action films these days are "turn your brain off movies" ,just non stop over the top action scenes ,with cardboard cut out characters .

I'm all for good action but a good plot and some realism and suspense is paramount.
Non stop explosions ,car chases and killing becomes tedious after 20 minutes .
Michael Bay has alot to answer for.

ancapailldorcha · 15-04-2015 12:55PM

Bay's just creating a product to meet demand. It's the people who support this nonsense and then moan about it that annoy me.

will56 · 15-04-2015 04:09PM

ps3lover wrote: »

I read the John Connor reveal in the trailer is a major plot spoiler.

Watching any trailer past an initial teaser trailer is running a serious risk of spoilers

JustTheOne · 15-04-2015 09:02PM

seamus wrote: »

Actually, thinking about it, Terminators were always a serious threat.

It wasn't just the T-1000, it was the T-800 in the first Terminator as well. You just didn't get into close combat with them. If you did, you died. Very much like the Aliens of that trilogy.

Reese was badly injured when they entered the factory, but the T800 gave him a couple of slaps and knocked him down some steps. And he died. There was no dramatic 20m throw across the room, just an insanely hard smash across the skull and he's gone. In fact, just watching it there now it's clear that Reese confronts the Terminator just to slow it down and give Sarah time to run. He doesn't expect to survive.

It was really T3 which broke that formula and then Salvation shat all over it.

Actually it was the homemade bomb that killed him but I get you:)

Simon2015 · 15-04-2015 09:06PM

Just wondering does this film pretend T3 and T4 never happened ?

Loughc · 15-04-2015 10:03PM

Simon2015 wrote: »

Just wondering does this film pretend T3 and T4 never happened ?

Not sure about the film but I certainly pretend they don't. And it looks like I will also be pretending this film doesn't exist either.

Patty O Furniture · 16-04-2015 01:45AM

SirLemonhead wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Kdw8mRWXo5c#t=2350

Watch the first movie It's really good

Thanks, i didn't realise there were many films like that were still up on youtube, as some are in a 1/4 screen hard to watch.

will56 wrote: »

Watching any trailer past an initial teaser trailer is running a serious risk of spoilers

I wish i hadn't watched that 2nd trailer, definitely a serious spoiler :eek:
The first one was very interesting, but...

Mr Freeze · 16-04-2015 10:01AM

Simon2015 wrote: »

Just wondering does this film pretend T3 and T4 never happened ?

It almost pretends The Terminator and T2 never happened, never mind T3 and Salvation. :pac:

Bacchus · 16-04-2015 11:25AM

Who know's what the fcuk kind of clusterf**k of an idea they've come up with. Can we expect to see an orderly queue of terminators (and Kyle) stepping into the machine being sent back to different times for the respective movies (T1 - T3 & Genisys). The timeline was hanging by a thread in T3 but still made some sort of sense.

Salvation at least didn't mess with timelines and was essentially a sequel to T3 after the war started.

With Genisys though, it looks like we've got all sorts of sh*t going on messing with the original timelines. At least T1-T3 followed a chronological order in the dates that the terminators are sent back (attacked Sarah, attacked John as a teen, attacked John & his commanders as adults) but now we have an older T-800 that raised Sarah, a T-1000 in the T1 time period and a new weird Terminator hybrid thing in the mix too. It was one thing to look over the issue of Skynet not simply sending back a T-1000 to take out Sarah instead of the T-800 or something but this looks just ridiculous.

ps3lover · 18-04-2015 09:18AM

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be ****ing 12A again? No wonder it looks dreadful.

Gwynplaine · 18-04-2015 11:24AM

This is going to be as bad as Batman and Robin.
T1 and T2 are such brilliant movies, why can't they just leave it alone. And I thought Arnie would have more sense, but I guess he's just cashing in.
Also, an Asian dude playing a Terminator, that's just wrong.

pixelburp · 18-04-2015 12:48PM

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Also, an Asian dude playing a Terminator, that's just wrong.

... Uhm, ye wha?

dan1895 · 18-04-2015 12:50PM

pixelburp wrote: »

... Uhm, ye wha?

Well they are meant to be infiltrators so why choose a minority group as a disguise?

pixelburp · 18-04-2015 01:02PM

dan1895 wrote: »

Well they are meant to be infiltrators so why choose a minority group as a disguise?

Why always make your infiltration unit look like Arnie then?

dan1895 · 18-04-2015 01:14PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Why always make your infiltration unit look like Arnie then?

Lars Henrikson was initially in mind for the role. They even got so far as concept art. Ended up going with Arnie as they wanted the Terminator to be as imposing as possible even when incognito.

Mr Freeze · 18-04-2015 01:21PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Why always make your infiltration unit look like Arnie then?

I think a particular model of the T-800 all looked like Arnie.

Like in T1, the T-800 in Kyles flashback was a different actor, so there could have been a bunch or T-800s that looked like that too.

anyway, Re: the T-1000 looking Asian, sure it can take any appearance, male or female, so I don't think anything of it.

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