How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

14-04-2015 03:19PM

endacl wrote: »

A twatbook status update doesn't count?!?

Sometimes it makes me feel like they're just jumping on a bandwagon, "loike oh em gee, I'm pro same sex marriage now".

It's why I feel it important to stress the fact that if you genuinely support it and can/are eligible to vote, then do it.

Even if you vote no, it's important to get your voice heard

Just Be Yourself · 14-04-2015 03:25PM

I think it will pass but by a smaller margin than expected. A lot of people, when asked, will say they'll vote yes because that's the polite answer, but come the day they simply won't bother voting.

BoatMad · 14-04-2015 03:34PM

Just Be Yourself wrote: »

I think it will pass but by a smaller margin than expected. A lot of people, when asked, will say they'll vote yes because that's the polite answer, but come the day they simply won't bother voting.

yes but that will be true of both yes and no camps.

floggg · 14-04-2015 03:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sometimes it makes me feel like they're just jumping on a bandwagon, "loike oh em gee, I'm pro same sex marriage now".

It's why I feel it important to stress the fact that if you genuinely support it and can/are eligible to vote, then do it.

Even if you vote no, it's important to get your voice heard

How do you know they aren't going to vote though, and aren't going to encourage others to vote?

While Facebook and social media postings aren't going to carry the referendum, I think it does raise awareness, and does bring attention to the importance of voting.

smokingman · 14-04-2015 03:45PM

A letter to a paper that exposes the hippocricy of the bishops stance.

BoatMad · 14-04-2015 04:23PM

listening to a lot of bull from the no side. Its clear to me,

(a) this vote will not affect any existing "institutions", hetrosexual marriage will carry on as before

(b) A yes will simply impact an equality of access to those "institutions ", i.e. civil marriage , no more , no less

all the no arguments , sound exactly like the rerun of the divorce referendum, i.e. the fall of society the " bye bye daddy " nonsense etc

The only way you can really bring yourself to vote "No" is that deep down you are in effect homophobic. by the way , thats fine, if you are that, then stand up straight and say it. But don't cloak your neo-conservatism in irrelevant arguments or scaremongering diversions

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 14-04-2015 04:26PM

floggg wrote: »

How do you know they aren't going to vote though, and aren't going to encourage others to vote?

While Facebook and social media postings aren't going to carry the referendum, I think it does raise awareness, and does bring attention to the importance of voting.

There's generally a low voter turnout in this country, particularly amongst younger voters, who generally speaking are more likely to be voting yes if they do vote.

My brother's in college, I was talking to him about this and his attitude was that a Yes victory is a foregone conclusion, because he's living in an echo chamber of Yes votes, and because as a twenty year old with very liberal parents he has feck all comprehension of just how socially conservative a sizeable portion of the electorate still is. He didn't even know if he was on the register! I could easily see him and his peers not bothering on the 22nd, not because they don't believe in marriage equality, but because they don't realise how much their vote matters.

Just Be Yourself · 14-04-2015 04:29PM

Also very few people are directly affected by the outcome so there will be even less incentive to vote yes. Can't really imagine thousands of straight men voting yes.

BoatMad · 14-04-2015 04:31PM

Just Be Yourself wrote: »

Also very few people are directly affected by the outcome so there will be even less incentive to vote yes. Can't really imagine thousands of straight men voting yes.

why, are straight men, homophobic. ???, why would they not want to extend a civil right to a minority ,

BoatMad · 14-04-2015 04:33PM

Isabelle Shy Villain wrote: »

There's generally a low voter turnout in this country, particularly amongst younger voters, who generally speaking are more likely to be voting yes if they do vote.

My brother's in college, I was talking to him about this and his attitude was that a Yes victory is a foregone conclusion, because he's living in an echo chamber of Yes votes, and because as a twenty year old with very liberal parents he has feck all comprehension of just how socially conservative a sizeable portion of the electorate still is. He didn't even know if he was on the register! I could easily see him and his peers not bothering on the 22nd, not because they don't believe in marriage equality, but because they don't realise how much their vote matters.

maybe maybe not, I didn't vote in some of the last referendums, I am certainly voting in this one. to me this referendum, is a clear pointer to the perceived tolerance or intolerance of the irish electorate towards minorities

Just Be Yourself · 14-04-2015 04:34PM

BoatMad wrote: »

why, are straight men, homophobic. ???, why would they not want to extend a civil right to a minority ,

Because they don't care, it doesn't affect them. When I look at my facebook the only people making noise about the referendum are homosexuals and women. For the straight yes vote, women will be crucial.

Penn · 14-04-2015 04:36PM

Just Be Yourself wrote: »

Also very few people are directly affected by the outcome so there will be even less incentive to vote yes. Can't really imagine thousands of straight men voting yes.

I'm a straight man, and I'll definitely be voting Yes, and I know many who will.

Just because it doesn't affect someone directly, doesn't mean it might not affect our brother/sister/aunt/uncle/mother/father/cousin/friend/neighbour etc etc. And even if it doesn't affect anyone we know now, it may affect people we will meet and know in the future, including possibly our own children.

One of my favourite sayings and very relevant to this topic;
"A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they will never sit under".

I won't be voting yes because it does or doesn't affect me. I'll be voting yes because it affects others.

Bannasidhe · 14-04-2015 04:38PM

Just Be Yourself wrote: »

Because they don't care, it doesn't affect them. When I look at my facebook the only people making noise about the referendum are homosexuals and women. For the straight yes vote, women will be crucial.

Perhaps that says more about who is on your FB newsfeed than the wider population.

My newsfeed has a huge amount of big, hairy, heterosexual, married men proudly declaring their intention to vote yes. This does not mean I think the entire straight male population of Ireland are sword wielding Game of Thrones extras..

Just Be Yourself · 14-04-2015 04:38PM

Thats nice you guys are voting but the yes vote depends on straight women. They are the ones who seem to care the most.

BoatMad · 14-04-2015 04:40PM

Just Be Yourself wrote: »

Because they don't care, it doesn't affect them. When I look at my facebook the only people making noise about the referendum are homosexuals and women. For the straight yes vote, women will be crucial.

I believe we are a more humane society , than you think, and today. many straight people have met or are friends with gay people, or have gay relatives etc.

as for your women comment, i fail to see what you mean.

Just Be Yourself · 14-04-2015 04:43PM

BoatMad wrote: »

I believe we are a more humane society , than you think, and today. many straight people have met or are friends with gay people, or have gay relatives etc.

as for your women comment, i fail to see what you mean.

Women usually vote yes on liberal progressive matters. No doubt many men will say they'll vote yes but on the day they won't bother or might even vote no. That's why the women are so important for a yes vote.

I still think it'll pass but it might not be a foregone conclusion just yet.

seamus · 14-04-2015 04:46PM

Just Be Yourself wrote: »

Can't really imagine thousands of straight men voting yes.

Hi.

The 1950's called. They want you back.

Contrary to what you might believe, the majority of men in this country are not stoic, cigar-smoking, paper-reading patriarchs who don't care about anything that happens unless it's to do with finance.

I've had the discussion with straight men from all age ranges, none of whom indicated any apathy on the issue. Self-selection perhaps, but your assertion that straight men don't care and won't vote is hilariously misguided.

Men in general, tend not to be excessively vocal about most issues. What is no doubt a straw poll from your facebook feed about the types of people making noise, doesn't in any way reflect the intention of the population as a whole.

BoatMad · 14-04-2015 04:46PM

Just Be Yourself wrote: »

Women usually vote yes on liberal progressive matters. No doubt many men will say they'll vote yes but on the day they won't bother or might even vote no. That's why the women are so important for a yes vote.

I still think it'll pass but it might not be a foregone conclusion just yet.

oh i think it will pass, but it will be close, as history shows us that moral based referendums are much closer then people always assume.

I fail to see how women are more or less liberal, I see no stats to back that up.

there is evidence that the young are more conservative today then their parents , but not that in general women are more liberal

in fact the divorce referendum antis targeted women, specifically because they perceived they might be more conservative then men, even though facts shows that women are the majority instigators of divorce.

Shrap · 14-04-2015 04:47PM

Just Be Yourself wrote: »

Because they don't care, it doesn't affect them. When I look at my facebook the only people making noise about the referendum are homosexuals and women. For the straight yes vote, women will be crucial.

Well neither my bro or my Dad are on facebook, but they're both going to vote and vote yes, as are all my family. My eldest is disgusted he can't vote yet, but has been canvassing all his over 18 friends. Not true that men don't care, I promise you. Not one of my bro's friends will miss this vote, but maybe it's true that they're not all advertising it as much as women do. Don't know.

Still though, I understand you're feeling a bit low about it. We're all a bit nervy and rightly so. Just talked to my folks today, who although they will definitely vote, were unaware that there might be any way in hell that this would fail (they've only been reading the papers and listening to the news, where the 76% looks like a sure thing) so have impressed on them the dangers of complacency. They'll now canvass all their own friends :cool:

We CAN do this thing mate, all pull together now!

Generic Dreadhead · 14-04-2015 04:51PM

Which way is the way to vote that acknowledges that these people are human beings and we're all equals?

Yeah, that way, I'll vote that way

InitiumNovum · 14-04-2015 04:55PM

I'm voting 'no' because voting 'yes' seems kind of conformist. Everyone else it seems is voting 'yes'. I want to be a different and 'alternative' and vote 'no' for obscure reasons that I haven't yet fully reasoned with.

StewartGriffin · 14-04-2015 04:55PM

seamus wrote: »

Hi.

The 1950's called. They want you back.

Contrary to what you might believe, the majority of men in this country are not stoic, cigar-smoking, paper-reading patriarchs who don't care about anything that happens unless it's to do with finance.

I've had the discussion with straight men from all age ranges, none of whom indicated any apathy on the issue. Self-selection perhaps, but your assertion that straight men don't care and won't vote is hilariously misguided.

Men in general, tend not to be excessively vocal about most issues. What is no doubt a straw poll from your facebook feed about the types of people making noise, doesn't in any way reflect the intention of the population as a whole.

Great. Going to be an ABSOLUTE LANDSLIDE for the Yes side if this is true.

StewartGriffin · 14-04-2015 04:57PM

InitiumNovum wrote: »

I'm voting 'no' because voting 'yes' seems kind of conformist. Everyone else it seems is voting 'yes'. I want to be a different and 'alternative' and vote 'no' for obscure reasons that I haven't yet fully reasoned with.

You mad rebel, you.

jobbridge4life · 14-04-2015 04:59PM

The last week has provided a great example of the growing gulf between the yes and no campaigns. On the yes side the ISPCC announced their support for the referendum and Mary McAleese former President, high-profile Catholic and generally well thought of Irish female leader came out strongly in favour of equal marriage. On the other side the wheels have started to come off somewhat with the Catholic Church sinking to threats and what looks like petty childishness and Breda O'Brien come across every bit the cranky scolding school mistress she is, and demanding McAleese be in effect silenced.

BoatMad · 14-04-2015 05:05PM

InitiumNovum wrote: »

I'm voting 'no' because voting 'yes' seems kind of conformist. Everyone else it seems is voting 'yes'. I want to be a different and 'alternative' and vote 'no' for obscure reasons that I haven't yet fully reasoned with.

I have a bridge to sell, please PM me.

galljga1 · 14-04-2015 05:06PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Perhaps that says more about who is on your FB newsfeed than the wider population.

My newsfeed has a huge amount of big, hairy, heterosexual, married men proudly declaring their intention to vote yes. This does not mean I think the entire straight male population of Ireland are sword wielding Game of Thrones extras..

That's because it is the big, hairy, heterosexual, married men newsfeed.

Just Be Yourself · 14-04-2015 05:07PM

Shrap wrote: »

Well neither my bro or my Dad are on facebook, but they're both going to vote and vote yes, as are all my family. My eldest is disgusted he can't vote yet, but has been canvassing all his over 18 friends. Not true that men don't care, I promise you. Not one of my bro's friends will miss this vote, but maybe it's true that they're not all advertising it as much as women do. Don't know.

Still though, I understand you're feeling a bit low about it. We're all a bit nervy and rightly so. Just talked to my folks today, who although they will definitely vote, were unaware that there might be any way in hell that this would fail (they've only been reading the papers and listening to the news, where the 76% looks like a sure thing) so have impressed on them the dangers of complacency. They'll now canvass all their own friends :cool:

We CAN do this thing mate, all pull together now!

Lol I ain't even queer. I won't be voting, never do!

BoatMad · 14-04-2015 05:07PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

The last week has provided a great example of the growing gulf between the yes and no campaigns. On the yes side the ISPCC announced their support for the referendum and Mary McAleese former President, high-profile Catholic and generally well thought of Irish female leader came out strongly in favour of equal marriage. On the other side the wheels have started to come off somewhat with the Catholic Church sinking to threats and what looks like petty childishness and Breda O'Brien come across every bit the cranky scolding school mistress she is, and demanding McAleese be in effect silenced.

The more the church wade in the more the Yes side will swell. The church has not been forgiven in Ireland, and they seem to have forgotten that.

A dignified silence would have been more powerful for them, but they just cant keep their hands out of the honey pot that is morals , !

Bannasidhe · 14-04-2015 05:10PM

galljga1 wrote: »

That's because it is the big, hairy, heterosexual, married men newsfeed.

No, it's the big, hairy, sword wielding with a few archers, heterosexual, married men, liberal lefty newsfeed. But let's not pigeon hole people.

Bannasidhe · 14-04-2015 05:16PM

Just Be Yourself wrote: »

Lol I ain't even queer. I won't be voting, never do!

OOkaaay...

can't be bothered to vote but is not only engaging in an on-line debate on the topic is also willing to extrapolate that the entire straight male population of Ireland is equally apathetic based on the evidence provided by you own FB newsfeed.

Our country's future is safe!

And 'queer' - no. You don't get to use that word sonny jim.

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