Dairy Farming General

RightTurnClyde · 11-04-2015 01:58PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

No don't think I'll change ,I have all first calves set as one group with a base of 3.5 kg and 0.35 over.even if there doing 22 Ltrs there still getting 3.5.my max feed set at 8 kg so nothing gets more than that

I've no upper limit set...I've 4 BsXHo's topping the league doing 50+litres getting 12+kgs
Like this one
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I need to set a second list for 1st calvers. Thanks

C0N0R · 11-04-2015 02:28PM

Go easy on me!

30 litres
BF 3.81
PR 2.95
SCC 66000
TBC 5000

Went out to grass for the first time on Monday so out by day now, I'd be hoping that protein will rise a bit, litres have gone up slightly. Maybe try get them out by night next week depending on growth. 40% Autumn 60 % Spring calved and 25% heifers who are milking well.

frazzledhome · 11-04-2015 08:57PM

Dawggone wrote:

In fairness any fool (inc myself) could have made money from dairy these last few years. What if there is a prolonged period of depressed prices?

Could this account for why UK dairy farmers are on their knees?

mf240 · 11-04-2015 09:46PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Could this account for why UK dairy farmers are on their knees?

Too dependent on liquid milk.

Too fond of machinery.

They seem to only want to talk about litres and cake (thats what they call dairy nuts)

A lot of them seem to have no roadways and cows just trapse from one field to the next often eating what should be baled.

Dont seem to fond of work either with a lot of labour employed.

The weak euro wont help them either (have i got that right)

Meh pity about them they wouldnt worry about us.

Blackgrass · 11-04-2015 10:07PM

mf240 wrote: »

Too dependent on liquid milk.

Too fond of machinery.

They seem to only want to talk about litres and cake (thats what they call dairy nuts)

A lot of them seem to have no roadways and cows just trapse from one field to the next often eating what should be baled.

Dont seem to fond of work either with a lot of labour employed.

The weak euro wont help them either (have i got that right)

Meh pity about them they wouldnt worry about us.

Their modus operandi is to blame cheap irish cheese flooding markets every time there's a price fall and campaigning for british public to buy the more expensive britsh option because it's ya know, british!. :pac:

trixi2011 · 11-04-2015 10:11PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Could this account for why UK dairy farmers are on their knees?

Not all uk dairy farmers are on there knees in fact a lot of the farmers in grass based systems are looking to expand, not all the high input guys are on there knees either some of these guys cop are as low as 18p/l which would put most grass based systems to shame.

Dawggone · 11-04-2015 11:23PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Could this account for why UK dairy farmers are on their knees?

Do you think that currency exchange rates could have any influence ?

I know there is more to it than forex. So do you...
I'm not as thick as you presume...:)

frazzledhome · 12-04-2015 08:47AM

One thing a man should never do is presume someone else is thick.

UK dairying has been unregulated for many yrs now. The high cost litres per cows guys are squeaking, not all I'd admit. The grass based ones are quietly eyeing up there next move.

I've a friend who took full advantage in 09 and recons another few mths will see a major move for him. This guy was milking 60 cows on a council farm 14 yrs ago. He is now operating a 1200 cow grass based business.

Dawggone · 12-04-2015 07:04PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

One thing a man should never do is presume someone else is thick.

UK dairying has been unregulated for many yrs now. The high cost litres per cows guys are squeaking, not all I'd admit. The grass based ones are quietly eyeing up there next move.

I've a friend who took full advantage in 09 and recons another few mths will see a major move for him. This guy was milking 60 cows on a council farm 14 yrs ago. He is now operating a 1200 cow grass based business.

It would be very informative to listen to that bloke for a couple of hours...fair dues to him. I really admire guys like that.

whelan2 · 13-04-2015 08:50PM

C0N0R wrote: »

Go easy on me!

30 litres
BF 3.81
PR 2.95
SCC 66000
TBC 5000

Went out to grass for the first time on Monday so out by day now, I'd be hoping that protein will rise a bit, litres have gone up slightly. Maybe try get them out by night next week depending on growth. 40% Autumn 60 % Spring calved and 25% heifers who are milking well.

my pr went up to 3.43 after i let them out at night last week. silage can be a killer on pr. My milk has been collected every day for the last 8 days for some reason.

frazzledhome · 13-04-2015 09:08PM

Dawggone wrote: »

It would be very informative to listen to that bloke for a couple of hours...fair dues to him. I really admire guys like that.

Yea Dawg, a really impressive guy. Works hard but still manages to hunt once a week. He was in traditional Uk milk production and came over here with a group 14 years ago and saw grass in action. He went home and started putting in tracks and water system the very nwxt day. All his neighbours thought he was nuts. He didn't do for any great gain from grass but rather for a simpler system. An absolute tonic to meet him, good lad to put away pints

Greengrass1 · 13-04-2015 09:15PM

Any one buy cydection la yet?
130 for 50 ml bottle will just about do what I need.
be sone fcuker if ye needed a few more doses and had to buy an extra bottle

Dawggone · 13-04-2015 10:05PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yea Dawg, a really impressive guy. Works hard but still manages to hunt once a week. He was in traditional Uk milk production and came over here with a group 14 years ago and saw grass in action. He went home and started putting in tracks and water system the very nwxt day. All his neighbours thought he was nuts. He didn't do for any great gain from grass but rather for a simpler system. An absolute tonic to meet him, good lad to put away pints

I would genuinely love to listen to a bloke like that over a pint (or two).
If he genuinely built up that business from a very low start without development land/housing sites/CPO money/inheritance, then I would pay to listen to him.
See my issue with hyper expansion in IRE/UK is the price of the raw material...Land.

Most inherited their land. Very few rent a few council acres and expand exponentially without the "money from America" mentioned above.

Tell me he's one in a million because I want to believe...:)

C0N0R · 13-04-2015 10:12PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Any one buy cydection la yet?
130 for 50 ml bottle will just about do what I need.
be sone fcuker if ye needed a few more doses and had to buy an extra bottle

Paid €135 here, 20 calves so one bottle is grand. Saw it on glanbia for €130 but wanted to be sure I was able to do them before going out tomorrow hopefully.

Greengrass1 · 13-04-2015 10:37PM

Dawggone wrote: »

I would genuinely love to listen to a bloke like that over a pint (or two).
If he genuinely built up that business from a very low start without development land/housing sites/CPO money/inheritance, then I would pay to listen to him.
See my issue with hyper expansion in IRE/UK is the price of the raw material...Land.

Most inherited their land. Very few rent a few council acres and expand exponentially without the "money from America" mentioned above.

Tell me he's one in a million because I want to believe...:)

Should talk to my parents so.
had to buy old farm
never inherited a thing apart from a dozen cows and sone quota
or sell a site

Begrudgers every step of the way still coming up against them.

Greengrass1 · 13-04-2015 10:38PM

C0N0R wrote: »

Paid €135 here, 20 calves so one bottle is grand. Saw it on glanbia for €130 but wanted to be sure I was able to do them before going out tomorrow hopefully.

autumn calves got an awful dose of worms last yr on out farm went to nothing In a week
Hope won't happen again with this stuff

C0N0R · 13-04-2015 10:44PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

autumn calves got an awful dose of worms last yr on out farm went to nothing In a week
Hope won't happen again with this stuff

Used it last year here and found it a great job. One shot to is a great plus.

Greengrass1 · 13-04-2015 10:45PM

C0N0R wrote: »

Used it last year here and found it a great job. One shot to is a great plus.

Did you have to give any other wormer until housing?

Dawggone · 13-04-2015 10:48PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Should talk to my parents so.
had to buy old farm
never inherited a thing apart from a dozen cows and sone quota
or sell a site

Begrudgers every step of the way still coming up against them.

I know where you are coming from Greengrass. I started out many moons ago with 45acres...
However I'm always sceptical about the miracles in farming. It's not IT. It's a very low margin business by its nature.

My motto is fcuk the begrudgers!
Keep at it.

orm0nd · 13-04-2015 10:49PM

perhaps slightly off topic, but dairy related

going looking at a hereford bull to morrow that has a 9% calving difficulty index. for use on dairy cows

i have repeat customers who buy yearlings each year, so maintaining quality is important, but should I be be cautious of these figures.

C0N0R · 13-04-2015 10:50PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Did you have to give any other wormer until housing?

Not that I can remember, I'd have to check to see to be sure

Blackgrass · 13-04-2015 11:24PM

Dawggone wrote: »

I would genuinely love to listen to a bloke like that over a pint (or two).
If he genuinely built up that business from a very low start without development land/housing sites/CPO money/inheritance, then I would pay to listen to him.
See my issue with hyper expansion in IRE/UK is the price of the raw material...Land.

Most inherited their land. Very few rent a few council acres and expand exponentially without the "money from America" mentioned above.

Tell me he's one in a million because I want to believe...:)

Land over here is heading for 15k pound/acre as london money comes in to hide their wealth and take tax cheat on inheritance, Dyson and a few big hedge funder types have bought alot of ground in east Anglia. Coupled with alot of estates taking tenanted farms(giving big payouts to tenanats to clear land so more favourable to big buyer) in hand to sell for big bucks as old moneies run out very hard - if impossible to get going in any of the traditional areas. Contract farming or move somewhere far away from the motorways seems to be way forward. But, i do know of a few cases where people went against the grain so to speak

freedominacup · 13-04-2015 11:37PM

Blackgrass wrote: »

Land over here is heading for 15k pound/acre as london money comes in to hide their wealth and take tax cheat on inheritance, Dyson and a few big hedge funder types have bought alot of ground in east Anglia. Coupled with alot of estates taking tenanted farms(giving big payouts to tenanats to clear land so more favourable to big buyer) in hand to sell for big bucks as old moneies run out very hard - if impossible to get going in any of the traditional areas. Contract farming or move somewhere far away from the motorways seems to be way forward. But, i do know of a few cases where people went against the grain so to speak

That was a fair oul stroke on the inheritance tax alright. I remember reading about it a couple of years ago.

just do it · 13-04-2015 11:56PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Should talk to my parents so.
had to buy old farm
never inherited a thing apart from a dozen cows and sone quota
or sell a site

Begrudgers every step of the way still coming up against them.

If you're half the failure your father was you'll be alright!

whelan2 · 14-04-2015 05:41AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Any one buy cydection la yet?
130 for 50 ml bottle will just about do what I need.
be sone fcuker if ye needed a few more doses and had to buy an extra bottle

was asking vet about it at testing, he didnt seem too gone on it, i didnt get back to him to ask why, i dont buy my dosing from him any one hear any negatives on it?

KCTK · 14-04-2015 06:19AM

whelan2 wrote: »

was asking vet about it at testing, he didnt seem too gone on it, i didnt get back to him to ask why, i dont buy my dosing from him any one hear any negatives on it?

Used it last year here and was very happy with it, only question I've heard about it is will it effect the animal building up some natural immunity for the rest of their life?

It's claimed because it works on a kind of a pulse basis they will build natural immunity but guess we won't know for sure until these animals mature. Also told as it works for 150 days the calves will build up some immunity from picking up parasites after that period is up in the autumn before housing and getting dosed with another product.

Going to use it here again this year as the one dose is just so handy and bulling heifers are in great nick this spring.

Timmaay · 14-04-2015 07:54AM

C0N0R wrote: »

Go easy on me!

30 litres
BF 3.81
PR 2.95
SCC 66000
TBC 5000

Went out to grass for the first time on Monday so out by day now, I'd be hoping that protein will rise a bit, litres have gone up slightly. Maybe try get them out by night next week depending on growth. 40% Autumn 60 % Spring calved and 25% heifers who are milking well.

Very milky cows I take it? High Pr bulls would give you a quick bang for buck if genetically the cows are low in it? How does the silage test? Any chance of using maize/whole crop? Overall them figures are great bty, just that bumping up the pr should give a nice boost to profitability!

C0N0R · 14-04-2015 08:54AM

Timmaay wrote: »

Very milky cows I take it? High Pr bulls would give you a quick bang for buck if genetically the cows are low in it? How does the silage test? Any chance of using maize/whole crop? Overall them figures are great bty, just that bumping up the pr should give a nice boost to profitability!

Yea reasonably milky, delivered 7600 off ICBF report. In general silage was shocking all winter, were great friends with the meal man. Whole crop and maize aren't really suitable for growing where we are, North Monaghan. Handling of it would be an issue to maybe. Cows genetically would be on the lower scale for protein, milk ebi of €45 and most would have a milk kg sub index of over 200. Highest protein % is .11. Fertility ebi of €16 and a calving interval of 370 days so thankfully doing something right there!

kowtow · 14-04-2015 09:18AM

freedominacup wrote: »

That was a fair oul stroke on the inheritance tax alright. I remember reading about it a couple of years ago.

Nowhere near as generous as the Irish regime though -and I speak as someone who is subject to both of them.

If ag land in the UK is tenanted you have to hold 7 years before transfer, so in effect you might as well transfer the money (which would also be free of IHT after 7 years). If passed from active farmer to active farmer the holding period is 2 years.

In Ireland until this year it was 90% free on the day you gave it to an active farmer (or anyone that could pass the asset test / had a green cert / was prepared to rent the land to an active farmer).

mahoney_j · 14-04-2015 09:44AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Did you have to give any other wormer until housing?

Used it last year gg,very handy did all calves in late May and meant to last 120 days which would of got me to early October ,calves started coughing late August tested a few dungs and lots of worms.wont use it this year,can't beat getting calves in every 6 weeks to run up crush and get good look at them.had a few issues with pink eye through July and August that would of been picked up quicker if they were brought in.calves never gave any longer than 10 days in a paddock and were nearly always on after grass from silage/bales with maidens following .i know of 2 others with similar issues.

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