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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Is it honestly worth the cost and effort of getting a commercial pilots licence nowadays?
    If you luck out and end up in the right place, the answer is a resounding HELL YES.....

    And even eatmyshorts gets to earn enough to increase the size of his art collection :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    smurfjed wrote: »

    And even eatmyshorts gets to earn enough to increase the size of his art collection :)

    I'm no Sister Wendy though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Some real basics here so apologies in advance, I should have picked up more by now :o

    Are there any specific reasons to request full length of the runway aside from maximum flexibility or having an aircraft that requires it?

    Why would you request a VOR approach?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭Deatr


    fr336 wrote: »
    Some real basics here so apologies in advance, I should have picked up more by now :o

    Are there any specific reasons to request full length of the runway aside from maximum flexibility or having an aircraft that requires it?

    Why would you request a VOR approach?

    The only times I've requested a VOR approach is for practice or if it's a choice between a VOR and a NDB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭MoeJay


    fr336 wrote: »
    Some real basics here so apologies in advance, I should have picked up more by now :o

    Are there any specific reasons to request full length of the runway aside from maximum flexibility or having an aircraft that requires it?

    Why would you request a VOR approach?

    Three most useless things in aviation: runway behind you, airspace above you and fuel in the bowser.

    Full length for performance, more weight off the runway, better reduced thrust for takeoff, increased stopping distance available...

    You can request a VOR approach for training, or if you can't do an RNAV approach, or even if you just want to do one for the hell of it!

    I imagine if its 34 in Dublin you are referring to, not all of the aircraft or operators are equipped or certified for the RNAV approach. The aircraft could also be carrying a snag that prohibits it from performing the RNAV approach.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    MoeJay wrote: »
    Three most useless things in aviation: runway behind you, airspace above you and fuel in the bowser.

    Full length for performance, more weight off the runway, better reduced thrust for takeoff, increased stopping distance available...

    You can request a VOR approach for training, or if you can't do an RNAV approach, or even if you just want to do one for the hell of it!

    I imagine if its 34 in Dublin you are referring to, not all of the aircraft or operators are equipped or certified for the RNAV approach. The aircraft could also be carrying a snag that prohibits it from performing the RNAV approach.

    Thanks so much :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    FR336, do you know the difference between a VOR and a ILS approach or do you want us to explain?
    Are there any specific reasons to request full length of the runway
    Another reason would be lack of performance data for the intersection departure point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    smurfjed wrote: »
    FR336, do you know the difference between a VOR and a ILS approach or do you want us to explain?

    I don't know about FR336, but I don't, what's a VOR approach? (I know what ILS is)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    An ILS uses two radio beams to provide lateral and vertical navigation down to a runway end, they are extremely accurate and depending on the class of ILS, ie, 1 /2 /3 A,B,C, they can allow an aircraft to land with very little visibility. Due to the requirements to maintain the equipment, ILS's are expensive installations and there are strict rules regarding their use.

    An VOR approach is based only on lateral guidance, the crew has to manually control the vertical descent profile. The lateral beam can be taken from a VOR, so this cuts down on the costs associated with maintaining the system. Apart from the cost benefits, a VOR approach allows the variable gradients, for Kathmandu airport the approach gradients are 5.3 degrees followed by 3 degrees, this couldnt be done with a ILS.

    The downside is that due to the lack or accuracy, a VOR approach has higher weather limits, for Dublin RWY 28, the ILS allows a decision height of 200 feet and a RVR of 550 meters, for the VOR approach you would need 448 feet and 1400 meters, so for those foggy days, the VOR isnt going to be of much help!

    With the relatively recent introduction of RNAV, crews can use the RNAV system to assist them with the VOR approach, but only if overlays are permitted by the local authorities, and only to limits that are slightly above those for the actual VOR approach itself.

    Now what on earth is a NDB :):):) Last time i flew one of those was in Waterford where i really discovered the impact of coastal refraction!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Waterford where i really discovered the impact of coastal refraction!

    Prestwick!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    LOL...... when is the last time that you flew a NDB approach for real?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭BeardySi


    Coastal refraction?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    This man explains it a lot better than i can :)

    http://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/navigation/shoreline-effect/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭BeardySi


    Excellent, cheers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Good Luck to anyone flying 8th and 9th.....
    In regards of the French ATC Strike on the 8th and 9th April, please find the latest information from the last call conference with Eurocontrol :

    - Attached to this mail you will find the released NOTAM (F0606 and A1329)
    - DSNA confirm the strike for tomorrow and Paris ACC will be impacted. They expect a large impact on the 8th April but a minimum service should be done on the 9th.

    Two major factors will determine your flight, the presence of an ATC agent at the tower who will be the only one to accept a landing and a departure, and the second is the ACC regulations.

    The situation can improve or not at every ATC shift change. Tomorrow the first change will be at 05:15 UTC, around this time we will be able to determine if landing and take-off are allowed for the next 4h. Please note that even if an agent is working at the ATC, you will have to handle with your CTOT which could have a high delay according to the strike impact in Paris ACC or the other FIR (Marseille ACC is supposed to be also well impacted).

    At 09:30 UTC, the DSNA will make a call conference in order to determine the impact for the 9th April. Eurocontrol will also have a call conference but the timing is not known yet.

    We remain at your disposal for any information but just keep in mind that the situation can improve or not at any time according to the ATC Staff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    I'm a complete newbie to this world of aviation. I listen to the liveatc while looking at FR24 which I find fascinating. My question is, when ATC give wind direction and speed on approach, what does the angle reference from? Due north or the heading of the runway?

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    astrofluff wrote: »
    I'm a complete newbie to this world of aviation. I listen to the liveatc while looking at FR24 which I find fascinating. My question is, when ATC give wind direction and speed on approach, what does the angle reference from? Due north or the heading of the runway?

    It's referenced to Magnetic North.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    The wind direction is reported by ATC from a direction with reference to Magnetic north. The angle is then worked out by the pilots to ascertain what the headwind and crosswind component is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Thanks, and is it clockwise? e.g. wind angle 270degrees for Runway 28 at DUB would be head-on (or thereabouts)?

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    Yep, clockwise like a compass rose.

    Try this http://www.aeroplanner.com/calculators/avcalcdrift.cfm you can work out headwind and crosswinds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    I've always wondered this, have anyone of ye had a scheduled passenger flight with a really really really bad Load Factor? Below 50%?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    I've always wondered this, have anyone of ye had a scheduled passenger flight with a really really really bad Load Factor? Below 50%?

    59 pax on a 360 seat aircraft a few weeks ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    I've always wondered this, have anyone of ye had a scheduled passenger flight with a really really really bad Load Factor? Below 50%?

    After the Christmas season can be quiet. 9 pax outbound but a full load coming back. Swings and roundabouts sometimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭MoeJay


    Malaga to Dublin one Christmas eve with the grand total of 1 passenger....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,449 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I've been one of 4 on a 72 seat ATR, last evening (return to base basically) BLL-CPH commuter flight. Whether 4 pax cover the cost differences between selling the flight or just deadheading is probably questionable, particularly as I think I paid about €20.

    edit: no, that was actually CPH-MAN that cost 20, it was €43 fare and €33.48 taxes/charges so they probably got €170 total or so off the 4 of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭billie1b


    11 people one morning DUB-MAN
    7 people EMA-DUB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭TheBoss11


    I've a question regarding flight training.

    How much does it cost to keep a ME/IR current?
    I'm very interested in doing an integrated course in the next couple of years and with the current state of the industry job wise it's likely I won't get a job immediately. Just wondering how much it'll cost to keep everything current.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭amen


    Not a pilot but a passenger on a South West Flight DAL to MDW on a Wednesday morning, 3 passengers, 2 Flight crew, 4 Cabin crew.

    We were told to sit anywhere we wanted. Great fun on the flight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Lustrum


    TheBoss11 wrote: »
    I've a question regarding flight training.

    How much does it cost to keep a ME/IR current?
    I'm very interested in doing an integrated course in the next couple of years and with the current stIate of the industry job wise it's likely I won't get a job immediately. Just wondering how much it'll cost to keep everything current.

    It will depend on where you renew, and how much practice is required before doing the renewal. Your first renewal can be in the sim so will be cheaper, but the next one has to be in an aircraft so will cost more. Each year after that then alternates sim/plane. My last renewal was in the plane, and 5hrs sim, an hour in a Seneca, flights to Spain and accomodation came in at about €1400.

    If I was you however, this would be the least of my worries. For all you know by the time you are job hunting (if you do go for it) you could be snapped up - think positive, it's the only way to go!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭APM


    Lustrum wrote: »
    It will depend on where you renew, and how much practice is required before doing the renewal. Your first renewal can be in the sim so will be cheaper, but the next one has to be in an aircraft so will cost more. Each year after that then alternates sim/plane. My last renewal was in the plane, and 5hrs sim, an hour in a Seneca, flights to Spain and accomodation came in at about €1400.

    If I was you however, this would be the least of my worries. For all you know by the time you are job hunting (if you do go for it) you could be snapped up - think positive, it's the only way to go!

    And on the other hand, go into the whole thing with your eyes wide open as to what the likely scenario will be. Unless you have another spare €30k in your pocket to pay for Ryanair interview, type rating + line training (license fees, expenses + uniform etc), don't think that renewing your rating each year will necessarily be enough to get you a job eventually.

    Schools like FTE Jerez occasionally get a call for some unemployed graduates from the major airlines, but these airlines want the most recent and not somebody who finished 1-2 years previous.

    I left flight school in 2009 and out of 12 on my course, at least 4 really good guys, very much deserving of an airline job never got into an airline and have given up renewing their ME-IR and gone back to previous lives saddling over €100k in expense.


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