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is the Irish Times viewed as a paper that only "big shots" buy?

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  • #92
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    kingtiger wrote: »
    Sunday Sport is where it's at

    what other newspaper gives a nipple count on the front page?
    And it brings us the important stuff.


  • #93
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    lost_boy wrote: »
    the irish times is socially liberal and economically left of centre

    broadly speaking , its a paper aimed at middle class liberals , not as left wing as the guardian however

    More or less agree with this, I'm not a fan of Irish Times as a rule but it isn't as knee-jerk, stolidly left wing as the Guardian. For example, Fintan O'Toole has criticised the Irish Labour Party a lot in recent years, I don't think Polly Toynbee has EVER criticised the British Labour Party, whether in government or in opposition. Sports and business coverage in the Irish Times tends to be better than in the Guardian also.


  • #94
    steamengine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    Being seen reading the IT is a bit of an ego booster for some people. Getting your Letter to the Editor published was another piece of personal vanity - you could ring around your friends asking them had they seen it.

    In a month or two, someone will write in reporting the first sighting of a cuckoo, as has been the tradition for donkeys years and which perhaps sums up, partly, the character of the old lady of D'Olier Street.


  • #95
    Dont call me Shirley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭Dont call me Shirley


    I was a reader but have boycotted since their appalling and disgusting behaviour in the Kate Fitzgerald scandal.

    http://www.conorfarrell.com/wordpress/uncategorized/kate-fitzgerald-and-the-irish-times-a-timeline


  • #96
    Peter Anthony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 454 ✭✭Peter Anthony


    I think some of you should give the Sunday Business Post a try. I'm actually quite impressed by it but it wouldnt be too difficult looking at the absolute rubbish the Independent has in it. The TV guide at the weekend is handy though.

    If the Times just lifts it stuff from the Guardian then it must be pretty rubbish. The Guardian website is pretty much a parody of itself these days its so bad. It's the Daily Mail for tree hugging communists and "minorities" playing the victim. They would probably do well here the way this country is going.


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  • #97
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    "Big shot"? I'm thinking 9" cigar, sunglasses, lots of jewellery?


  • #98
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    "Big shot"? I'm thinking 9" cigar, sunglasses, lots of jewellery?

    Yes, reading the Irish Times in public (with the banner pointing out so everyone can see you're a "big shot") is what all wealthy people do. The Irish Times think all the cool kids should be doing it to.

    The arrogance of Tara Street knows no bounds.

    On a serious note, here is a fine example of a little cock-up from the Paper of Record:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057402320

    They're trying to pump "data-driven journalism". Unfortunately for them, they would need to know what they were doing before embarking down that road...

    The days of a centralised, establishment mass media hood-winking and lying to the population for political and financial gain are gone. But there are always those who will sit inside all day with CNN flickering away in the corner just like there are always those who will mindlessly buy the "Oirish Times".


  • #99
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    The IT has the best crossword. That's all I can think of going for it.

    I used to do it on my break in work (they supplied papers for people to read) but was made to stop because a customer complained, because HE wanted to do the crossword. Prick. Buy your own gorram paper.


  • #100
    Baron Kurtz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Baron Kurtz


    Bambi wrote: »
    "A public-house to half a hundred men
    And the teacher, the solicitor and the bank-clerk
    In the hotel bar drinking for ten. "

    that's the culchies for ye alright

    Your quote just got the song, The Bucket by KOL in my head! Think it was the last line that did it :)


  • #101
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    kylith wrote: »
    The IT has the best crossword. That's all I can think of going for it.

    The also have the best feminist opiners. Several of them. Big shot influential business owners have loads of time to be contemplating the views of professional opiners who've never worked a day in their lives. If you gave them €100 at 8 o'clock in the morning, they'd come back to you at 6 owing €100.


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  • #102
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,904 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The Irish Times is still probably the best Irish paper, but that is a statement of limited positivity. Like everywhere else, it has less journalists producing more output. The fact checking standards and reliability of its general domestic and International news reporting has significantly gone downhill compared to 10 - 15 years ago. Like everywhere else, it is heavily dependent on wire content.

    I used to buy it most days as I like the feel of an actual paper but would only pick up the weekend edition now from time to time. I had an inside view on a couple of domestic stories they reported upon inaccurately a couple of years ago and stopped buying it thereafter.


  • #103
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    xrp wrote: »
    The also have the best feminist opiners. Several of them. Big shot influential business owners have loads of time to be contemplating the views of professional opiners who've never worked a day in their lives. If you gave them €100 at 8 o'clock in the morning, they'd come back to you at 6 owing €100.

    Ah yes. The southside oppressed. God love them.


  • #104
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Did anyone notice the ITs wänkfest over the appointment of the Guardians new editor ?

    It was incredible, I don't think the Guardian covered the occasion to such an extent.

    Nothing moves in the IT office without first asking 'what would the Guardian do'


  • #105
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    xrp wrote: »
    The also have the best feminist opiners. Several of them. Big shot influential business owners have loads of time to be contemplating the views of professional opiners who've never worked a day in their lives. If you gave them €100 at 8 o'clock in the morning, they'd come back to you at 6 owing €100.
    That's a hell of a clue, I was never that good at the cryptic one. How many letters is it, and do you have any of them?


  • #106
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    my friend wrote: »
    Did anyone notice the ITs wänkfest over the appointment of the Guardians new editor ?

    It was incredible, I don't think the Guardian covered the occasion to such an extent.

    Nothing moves in the IT office without first asking 'what would the Guardian do'

    Fawning over the London Guardian is par for the course. Why are you surprised?!


  • #107
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    kylith wrote: »
    That's a hell of a clue, I was never that good at the cryptic one. How many letters is it, and do you have any of them?

    It wouldn't be the feminist opiner who owes the €100. That would be you and your company left to pick up the tab.


  • #108
    somesoldiers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭somesoldiers


    I subscribe to The Times but never read it, I only ever print off the cryptic crossword.

    I used to buy (or take the one from work more often) The Irish Times but stopped when Crosaire died in 2010 as I only ever did the crosswords, could do both cryptic & simplex in about 10 minutes toward the end so not much of a challenge, it was time for a change. The London one is infinitely more difficult with 15 different setters and it doesn't name who is setting on any particular day. I have probably finished it 50 times in 5 years but enjoy the challenge. The Saturday Jumbo is great and keeps me going for a couple of hours


  • #109
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    somesoldiers wrote: »
    I subscribe to The Times but never read it, I only ever print off the cryptic crossword.

    I used to buy (or take the one from work more often) The Irish Times but stopped when Crosaire died in 2010 as I only ever did the crosswords, could do both cryptic & simplex in about 10 minutes toward the end so not much of a challenge, it was time for a change. The London one is infinitely more difficult with 15 different setters and it doesn't name who is setting on any particular day. I have probably finished it 50 times in 5 years but enjoy the challenge. The Saturday Jumbo is great and keeps me going for a couple of hours

    Doing both in 10 mins is pretty impressive. Myself and the Beloved are happy enough if we can finish the Simplex between us.
    I feel dumb now!


  • #110
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    steamengine wrote: »
    Being seen reading the IT is a bit of an ego booster for some people. Getting your Letter to the Editor published was another piece of personal vanity - you could ring around your friends asking them had they seen it.

    In a month or two, someone will write in reporting the first sighting of a cuckoo, as has been the tradition for donkeys years and which perhaps sums up, partly, the character of the old lady of D'Olier Street.

    Sadly your prediction was not accurate, it was in today:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/heralds-of-spring-1.2170384


  • #111
    steamengine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    Anyone I knew who could fly through the IT cryptic didn't seem to have the same ability to fly through anything else in their work environment - only a personal observation, from a very small sample base mind you !


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  • #112
    steamengine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    Sadly your prediction was not accurate, it was in today:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/heralds-of-spring-1.2170384

    There you go, timing off, otherwise accurate. ;)


  • #113
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    It's the best paper we have, always was. However I haven't bought it in years, I uses the guardian app to get news recently and it's excellent. I have the IT app too but you only get to read 20 articles for free per week. So I read the ones that sounds good, I've yet to breach that 20, which is a bad sign.


  • #114
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    xrp wrote: »
    It wouldn't be the feminist opiner who owes the €100. That would be you and your company left to pick up the tab.

    Sorry mate, you'll have to wait for the solution in tomorrow's issue, unless you're doing it online. D'you have any vowels in it?


  • #115
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,009 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    kylith wrote: »
    Sorry mate, you'll have to wait for the solution in tomorrow's issue, unless you're doing it online. D'you have any vowels in it?

    I've got this far: B _ L L S _ I T


  • #116
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    It's the best paper we have, always was. However I haven't bought it in years, I uses the guardian app to get news recently and it's excellent. I have the IT app too but you only get to read 20 articles for free per week. So I read the ones that sounds good, I've yet to breach that 20, which is a bad sign.

    Pretty much sums it up for me. But I do buy the weekend version most saturdays.


  • #117
    Panda_Turtle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Panda_Turtle


    The Irish times should make a smaller version like the indo does

    The big massive paper is a pain in the hole.


  • #118
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    xrp wrote: »
    Yes, reading the Irish Times in public (with the banner pointing out so everyone can see you're a "big shot") is what all wealthy people do. The Irish Times think all the cool kids should be doing it to.

    The arrogance of Tara Street knows no bounds.

    On a serious note, here is a fine example of a little cock-up from the Paper of Record:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057402320

    They're trying to pump "data-driven journalism". Unfortunately for them, they would need to know what they were doing before embarking down that road...

    The days of a centralised, establishment mass media hood-winking and lying to the population for political and financial gain are gone. But there are always those who will sit inside all day with CNN flickering away in the corner just like there are always those who will mindlessly buy the "Oirish Times".

    I like shouting in cafes that I'm reading Marcais' Ireland Uncut Twitter feed. I then call the security Traitors to Ireland and Self Hating Shills taking Denis O'Brien's money when they escort me off the premises.

    That will teach them.


  • #119
    steamengine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    Doing both in 10 mins is pretty impressive. Myself and the Beloved are happy enough if we can finish the Simplex between us.
    I feel dumb now!

    I remember hearing a story years ago about this bowler hatted city gent who boarded the London Tube every morning and proceeded to race through the Times crossword. Just before he left the Tube one day he discarded the paper on a seat. A friend of the person who recounted this story, got curious and picked up the paper, Lo and behold, he had just scribbled in any old rubbish and everyone had thought he was a genius.


  • #120
    somesoldiers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭somesoldiers


    steamengine wrote: »
    Anyone I knew who could fly through the IT cryptic didn't seem to have the same ability to fly through anything else in their work environment - only a personal observation, from a very small sample base mind you !

    Yes and that Bletchley Park crowd were a lazy shower too


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  • #121
    somesoldiers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭somesoldiers


    steamengine wrote: »
    I remember hearing a story years ago about this bowler hatted city gent who boarded the London Tube every morning and proceeded to race through the Times crossword. Just before he left the Tube one day he discarded the paper on a seat. A friend of the person who recounted this story, got curious and picked up the paper, Lo and behold, he had just scribbled in any old rubbish and everyone had thought he was a genius.

    There is a lad that can finish The Times cryptic in 6 minutes, goes by the username Magoo on the club site. He has won the competition they run in London every year for the last few years. Contestants need to be able to complete 3 cryptic crosswords in one hour to enter. going at my current rate I should be competition ready when I'm 206 years old....can't wait

    http://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/crossword-blog/2014/oct/20/crossword-blog-watching-a-champion-solver-at-work


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