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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Hyzepher wrote: »
    Do priests consider themselves married to God?

    No.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    This time: 62 Yes, 29 No, 9 other (undecided or said they would not vote)

    Last time: 71 Yes, 17 No, 12 other (9 don't know, 3 will not vote)

    Hmm, this paragraph in the times makes no sense:

    Asked how they intended to vote on the proposed amendment, 62 per cent of people said No, 29 per cent said Yes and 9 per cent were undecided or said they would not vote.

    Even assuming those are reversed, 62/(62+29) is 68%, not the 74% they claim in the headline and charts. So, something dodgy there.

    The piece you quoted re 62 per cent No relates to the other Referendum re lowering the age for presidential elections.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Flem31 wrote: »
    The piece you quoted re 62 per cent No relates to the other Referendum re lowering the age for presidential elections.

    Duh! My apologies.

    So the article does not mention the don't knows/won't vote at all? Strange.

    This article gives them per age bracket, but not the overall numbers. Very sloppy reporting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Duh! My apologies.

    So the article does not mention the don't knows/won't vote at all? Strange.
    I also wonder what the impact of changing the question is. It is effectively the same question but framed slightly differently now - being asked along with the other referendum, etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    Duh! My apologies.

    So the article does not mention the don't knows/won't vote at all? Strange.

    This article gives them per age bracket, but not the overall numbers. Very sloppy reporting.

    I think there may be some reasoning behind it and it applies to referendum polls only where there are only two choices. The third option (don't know\won't vote) doesn't have an impact on the vote itself and I think they just split the third category up and make them Yes or No on a proportional basis.

    I agree there is an element of misleading in the presentation and from vague recollection, polling companies have had this issue before particularly where a referendum had a large element of don't knows close to polling day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Leading with a headline "Drop in support" (given that the 80% seems like an outlier and otherwise support seems pretty stable at about 75% considering the margin for error of 2.8% in the poll) seems sensationalist to me.

    But... the sampling on that survey confuses me ... they asked 1200 people, ok.. that's not a huge sampling pool but should be enough, at 100 sampling points in all constituencies.... again, that's ok but how did they distribute the sampling points? Were there as many in Leitrim as Dublin for example?

    They quote 18-24 year olds, 25-34 year olds and over-65's which by deduction means they have 6 age categories. So, consider this... 100 sampling points, and 1200 people, that's 12 people per sampling point, presumably 2 people per age category per sampling point.
    In total its 200 people per age category so, extrapolating anything from the age categories to a national level is madness for a start, the margin for error is vast when the sampling size is so small.

    Doing a meta-analysis of the existing polls might be more informative but considering that the support for a Yes vote has been, in a mathematical sense, pretty rock solid around 75% I think the answer would just produce that result too :)

    Sampling like this is fraught with problems. It should be washed back with additional questions like "are you registered to vote" or "do you intend to vote", along with perhaps some more statistical models of voting patterns in the age groups and/or gender biases.

    When you trend it like that I would predict a Yes result somewhere in the low-middle 60's unless the whole debate galvanises the youth vote. (but that's just a back-of-a-packet-of-dare-I-say-it-fags calculation :):p )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    There's a debate this Thursday 9th April at 7PM at DCU HG 22 Nursing Building between Senator Katherine Zappone & Deputy John Lyons on the Yes side and Senator Ronan Mullen & Mr Keith Mills for the NO side. I regret the notice (from facebook) is not instantly readable, due to it's layout colours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    aloyisious wrote: »
    There's a debate this Thursday 9th April at 7PM at DCU HG 22 Nursing Building between Senator Katherine Zappone & Deputy John Lyons on the Yes side and Senator Ronan Mullen & Mr Keith Mills for the NO side. I regret the notice (from facebook) is not instantly readable, due to it's layout colours.

    Ah Ronan Mullen -"children scientifically need a mom and dad to get to heaven"

    Got any proof there in the form of a peer reviewed study, Ronan?

    "Stop being so intolerant and bending the rules of this argument and trying to silence me!!"

    It'll play out like a doctor advocating chemotherapy vs a homeopath backing water for cancer treatment. Much fun will be had by the audience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    I will be voting Yes because I think that gay couples should have the option to get the same financial and legal benefits as straight couples and, even if a good argument can be made for the Church's monopoly on marriage (as opposed to partnership), it is an issue which comes secondary in importance to that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,815 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I just love the way keith mills is with mothers and fathers matter and he cares so much about the rights of the child he's going to be at the Eurovision when the referendum is taking place. (To the best of my knowledge)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,815 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    It's very important that all the Yes voters actually go out and vote to get this referendum passes because the No voters are scared and will be out in force.
    The more I can think of it I can't think of any reason for voting No. The only scare tattic going is every child has a right to a mother and father.
    This is in my personal experience both in my local area and notionally. The same people who campaigned to keep condoms locked up on the chemist, the same people who campaigned against homosexuality being decriminalised and the same people who campaigned against divorce are out in force again be it themselves or there children. There is a few who care about children but I find that a lot of them are just against homosexuality in general.
    I saw a bit of homopobia in secondary school but the worst I've seen has being on facebook pages against marriage equality by posters. I've seen people say that being gay was wrong and against God. It was unnatural. That there were going to indoctornate there children to stay away from this sick lifestyle. Saying that two male child abusers arw going to adopt kids to abuae them.(because only men avuse kids) And all these people say they love/care for children. It's scary in my opinion that kids are being taught these things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Does anyone know if you can be registered without doing anything? I checked the last day and I was on checktheregister.ie but neither myself nor anyone else that I know of registed me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,815 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Does anyone know if you can be registered without doing anything? I checked the last day and I was on checktheregister.ie but neither myself nor anyone else that I know of registed me.

    I've always voted in referendums and elections and I never registered. So I suppose you get put on it at some stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Esroh


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Does anyone know if you can be registered without doing anything? I checked the last day and I was on checktheregister.ie but neither myself nor anyone else that I know of registed me.

    Ive been on the register for 32 years and it was the Local FG stalwart s who made it so way back then when I came of age. Family would have had a history with Ould Dev that would have made them think I could only vote1 way.
    The politico's would get you struck off just as quick if ya move out of a constuincy back then. They might be as active in the future when things get tight seats wise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Does anyone know if you can be registered without doing anything? I checked the last day and I was on checktheregister.ie but neither myself nor anyone else that I know of registed me.

    Yes you can end up on the register unbeknownst to yourself.
    Don't worry your not obliged to vote!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Does anyone know if you can be registered without doing anything? I checked the last day and I was on checktheregister.ie but neither myself nor anyone else that I know of registed me.

    People are employed by local authorities to visit homes and check and see if there are persons above the eligible voting age living at home to ensure the list is kept up to date. It's possible that is how your and O/P's names are on the list.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Don't worry your not obliged to vote!

    Oh I know! I was worried I'd show up at the station and be turned away. Especially since it's easily fixed when UL is giving out registration forms and the Gardai are there for two hours every Wednesday to sign them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Oh I know! I was worried I'd show up at the station and be turned away. Especially since it's easily fixed when UL is giving out registration forms and the Gardai are there for two hours every Wednesday to sign them.

    Now that's what I call positive action at UL. If you get your ballot paper, it should be in line with your presence on the voting list. Just check by getting some-one at home visit the nearest Post Office, Library, Council offices or Garda Station to check the list for your street/road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,453 ✭✭✭✭endacl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    endacl wrote: »

    I did, which was in my post and the reason I was unsure in the first place.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I won't be in my the area I registered on that day, is there anyway I can still vote?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I won't be in my the area I registered on that day, is there anyway I can still vote?


    The poll is between 7am and 10pm - why wont you be in the area? if its for work or study reasons you could possibly register for a postal vote

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,815 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I won't be in my the area I registered on that day, is there anyway I can still vote?

    There's something about postal votes here.
    http://www.yesequality.ie/voting-info/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    The poll is between 7am and 10pm - why wont you be in the area? if its for work or study reasons you could possibly register for a postal vote

    I've a friend over that day from abroad and we are going touring Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    There's something about postal votes here.
    http://www.yesequality.ie/voting-info/

    Wow, thanks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Wasnt there some shenanigans with the electoral role back in the 80s or 90s where some party was registering AND voting people who'd died as well as people in the constituency that were unregistered & then getting them to the polling station on the day by hook or crook or getting a stand in to pretend it was them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    david75 wrote: »
    Wasnt there some shenanigans with the electoral role back in the 80s or 90s where some party was registering AND voting people who'd died as well as people in the constituency that were unregistered & then getting them to the polling station on the day by hook or crook or getting a stand in to pretend it was them?

    Pat O Connor Pat O Connor?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    david75 wrote: »
    Wasnt there some shenanigans with the electoral role back in the 80s or 90s where some party was registering AND voting people who'd died as well as people in the constituency that were unregistered & then getting them to the polling station on the day by hook or crook or getting a stand in to pretend it was them?

    That reminds me, I think I remember reading about something where, either in the first divorce referendum or the referendum that implemented the 8th Amendment, priests and members of religious orders brought pensioners - some of whom were almost certainly suffering from dementia - to polling stations to vote in a certain way.

    Speaking of shenanigans with the electoral roll, I've checked the register and I don't seem to be there! I swear I remember signing up to register again last semester in college. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra



    Speaking of shenanigans with the electoral roll, I've checked the register and I don't seem to be there! I swear I remember signing up to register again last semester in college. :(

    You can still go on the supplement until May 5th

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭redmca2


    That reminds me, I think I remember reading about something where, .......................

    Where? I think something somewhere just suits your argument. I'd love to see you back up that allegation


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