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What to do when spinning out on a roundabout?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,889 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    H3llR4iser wrote: »

    In any case, if opposite lock fails and you end up in a spin, there is one and one thing only to do: hit the brakes as hard as you can, and hope you don't hit anything!

    You could always come off the brakes if you found yourself coming around to be nicely lined up facing the wrong way and then bring the car to safe controlled stop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭Craftylee


    Had this happen to me recently - roundabout by GMIT in Galway (right near the diesel only garage). Was just about to take my exit, steered left and the car just kept going straight. Then the back of the car slid out like mad. I got a big smell of petrol/diesel in the car. So I pulled over at the next road thinking i had a leak. But it turned out it was just a leak on the roundabout - super dangerous imo.

    Pretty scary for a new driver too!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭noelf


    PS: I have 4 new Michelin tyres but I am gonna check my tyre pressure later to be sure they are all even.[/QUOTE]

    I think that may be the reason you had your moment new tyres need to bed in release agent used in tyre manufacture is the culprit ..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Front wheel drive: steer into the sky's but do not lift off accelerator but don't accelerate harder.

    Rear wheel drive: steer into the skid and lift off accelerator to stop the rear wheels driving the car further into the skid.

    All wheel drive: steer into the skid and lift off slightly but try and control the skid with the accelerator.

    My car is AWD and I hit oil on a roundabout a few weeks ago. I wasn't sure what was happening at first but when I felt the rear of the car stepping out I steered into it and feathered the accelerator and managed to control it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭b318isp


    Rear wheel drive: steer into the skid and lift off accelerator to stop the rear wheels driving the car further into the skid.

    This may be partly true for power induced oversteer, but for all other instances it would pretty much guarantee a spin.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    b318isp wrote: »
    This may be partly true for power induced oversteer, but for all other instances it would pretty much guarantee a spin.

    I'll take your word for that as I have only ever spun a RWD car in anger and so was trying to get the back end out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭visual


    OP what tyres have you go on that car ?

    On two previous cars I bought they had Chinese rubbish on them and they slide just as you described in wet.
    Fitting good quality tyres makes a world of a difference.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    In the first post - 4 michelins


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭Dutchie


    In my expert opinion always apply full lock and full power


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,201 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Dutchie wrote: »
    In my expert opinion always apply full lock and full power...

    Outstanding. From the file labeled "Keep the shoe in, hi!!" :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Dutchie wrote: »
    In my expert opinion always apply full lock and full power

    That's how you bring a FWD back under control...saw Giovanardi pull a very similar one in the 156 at Hungaroring, many eons ago :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Expertly written post, H3llR4iser. I found myself in a similar, but luckier situation on a roundabout, on which I was aiming for the third exit. Laguna with a dead beam rear axle. Whatever was on that roundabout, it simply would not come back for me. First thing I felt, as you say was that strange feeling in my arse and up my spine. Speed and angle were nice and low so acellerator was about half held. Oddly enough the first thing i remember focusing on was the second exit as it was close enough to me to make it without either spinning out or going off. I looked looked like some pratt to the lad who was rolling up to the second exit. I can still see his stare of derison :o

    Incidentally, in wet weather It always felt... on tge edge, like you were about to lose it any second, on any bend, regardless of how safely you were driving, but all joints were tight. After a week, (I'd only bought it) It turned out the rear tyres were about 7 years old, despite a lack of perishing and reasonable thread dept. New rubber made an unholy difference.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Incidentally, in wet weather It always felt... on tge edge, like you were about to lose it any second, on any bend, regardless of how safely you were driving, but all joints were tight. After a week, (I'd only bought it) It turned out the rear tyres were about 7 years old, despite a lack of perishing and reasonable thread dept. New rubber made an unholy difference.

    When herself got a MINI first, the original rear tyres were still on it, about 6 or 7 years old. Made themselves known with liftoff oversteer on damp roundabouts. Great craic when you intentionally did it but couldn't be left that way -they were gone very hard and non grippy. Steering is nice and quick on them at least - easy to correct.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭b318isp


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    Or even worse, triggering the pendulum effect: you slide, countersteer, apply a lot of power, rear wheels grip for a split second stopping the slide then slip again due to too much power and send you spinning the opposite direction.

    Just on a point of detail, the pendulum effect is difficult to predict.

    It may be that a change in power causes a weight transfer, or a change in steering causes a change in roll angle, or even a change in road surface causes a sudden return grip to the spinning wheel.

    Opposite lock also has to wound off progressively as the car straightens out as it will destabilise the car again as the pendulum effect swings the other way.

    Here's a very old video of me getting a fishtail as I came off the gas a bit too much (note, LSD fitted):



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    What condition is the suspension in? Have you changed shocks or anything ?


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