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Ryanair Collision..Again

  • 01-04-2015 07:14AM
    #1
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Looks like 2 ryanairs have clipped each others wings again in the same spot on taxi way DA ...

    Anyone know anything else about this?


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  • #2
    jordata
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭jordata


    According to Newstalk thre have been no passengers injured and there may be knock-on delays to Ryanair flights today. No more info at the moment.


  • #3
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    O'Leary will be throwing things. Is it possible that this is more a Dublin airport issue than FR? Seems they keep being unlucky.


  • #4
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    Some photos of incident over on : http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/delays-for-ryanair-passengers-following-incident-on-dublin-airport-runway-31110283.html

    Very bad publicity for Ryanair , If they cant get things right on the ground it questions how safe they are overall methinks ...


  • #5
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,479 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I was working in close proximity to pier D and noticed shortly before the incident 2 Ryanair aircraft taxi past me.. one was literally up the arse of the other that i did a double take to see were my eyes deceiving me. Cant be 100% sure it was those two aircraft mind you but still.


  • #6
    duskyjoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭duskyjoe


    Very very embarrassing


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  • #7
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    sharkman wrote: »
    Some photos of incident over on : http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/delays-for-ryanair-passengers-following-incident-on-dublin-airport-runway-31110283.html

    Very bad publicity for Ryanair , If they cant get things right on the ground it questions how safe they are overall methinks ...

    Er does it really? As far as I'm aware this kind of thing has happened three times, twice at Dublin. Might suggest an issue at Dublin and its taxiways rather than necessarily FR with its near 30 year non incident history and flights all across Europe every day. FR seem to think of safety all the time, as was proven recently when it came out they were one of the few airlines to be ahead of the pack with two people in cockpit at any one time (that's no real criticism of other airlines, but still)


  • #8
    APM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭APM


    fr336 wrote: »
    Er does it really? As far as I'm aware this kind of thing has happened three times, twice at Dublin. Might suggest an issue at Dublin and its taxiways rather than necessarily FR with its near 30 year non incident history and flights all across Europe every day. FR seem to think of safety all the time, as was proven recently when it came out they were one of the few airlines to be ahead of the pack with two people in cockpit at any one time (that's no real criticism of other airlines, but still)

    Without going into a huge thread drift I think you'll find the original reason for having the second crew member in the flight deck was due to original cost savings. ie. not having any CCTV outside the flightdeck and monitors inside the FD so the second crew member was required to re-admit the pilot who'd left the flight deck without the PF needing to leave his seat to check through the spyhole.


  • #9
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    fr336 wrote: »
    Er does it really? As far as I'm aware this kind of thing has happened three times, twice at Dublin. Might suggest an issue at Dublin and its taxiways rather than necessarily FR with its near 30 year non incident history and flights all across Europe every day. FR seem to think of safety all the time, as was proven recently when it came out they were one of the few airlines to be ahead of the pack with two people in cockpit at any one time (that's no real criticism of other airlines, but still)

    The point I was trying to get across is that it looks VERY bad to have two incidents of a similar nature happen in a very short time in the same Airport will do nothing positive for the publics perception of how safe the airline really is.


  • #10
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    sharkman wrote: »
    The point I was trying to get across is that it looks VERY bad to have two incidents of a similar nature happen in a very short time in the same Airport will do nothing positive for the publics perception of how safe the airline really is.

    While I admit it isn't good for the same airline, it's more embarrassing than anything and what on earth are you talking about 'how safe the airline really is'? Has FR's safety being called into question or did I miss something? I think their volume of flights and no incidents that could really be blamed on FR says a LOT. If it had happened to a Shamrock by the same probable coincidence at Dub would they have to ground their fleet seeing as it's tiny compared to FR and that would mean it's a bit suss for it to happen? :rolleyes:


  • #11
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    More pics : http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/pics-two-ryanair-planes-clip-each-other-on-tarmac-dublin-airport-investigating-669880.html


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  • #12
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    APM wrote: »
    Without going into a huge thread drift I think you'll find the original reason for having the second crew member in the flight deck was due to original cost savings. ie. not having any CCTV outside the flightdeck and monitors inside the FD so the second crew member was required to re-admit the pilot who'd left the flight deck without the PF needing to leave his seat to check through the spyhole.

    Fine.


  • #13
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    sharkman wrote: »
    More pics : http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/pics-two-ryanair-planes-clip-each-other-on-tarmac-dublin-airport-investigating-669880.html

    Ouch.


  • #14
    radar0976
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭radar0976


    sharkman wrote: »
    Some photos of incident over on : http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/delays-for-ryanair-passengers-following-incident-on-dublin-airport-runway-31110283.html

    Very bad publicity for Ryanair , If they cant get things right on the ground it questions how safe they are overall methinks ...

    That comment is based on absolutely no evidence. Who knows whose fault it was ? It could equally be the controllers fault, a technical fault or something else. Let's reserve judgement for the moment before jumping to conclusions.


  • #15
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    radar0976 wrote: »
    That comment is based on absolutely no evidence. Who knows whose fault it was ? It could equally be the controllers fault, a technical fault or something else. Let's reserve judgement for the moment before jumping to conclusions.

    Indeed, very bad form.


  • #16
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    fr336 wrote: »
    While I admit it isn't good for the same airline, it's more embarrassing than anything and what on earth are you talking about 'how safe the airline really is'? Has FR's safety being called into question or did I miss something? I think their volume of flights and no incidents that could really be blamed on FR says a LOT. If it had happened to a Shamrock by the same probable coincidence at Dub would they have to ground their fleet seeing as it's tiny compared to FR and that would mean it's a bit suss for it to happen? :rolleyes:

    I'd say it a little bit more than embarrassing ,No FR's safety has not been called into question ....yet ! But I can nearly hear M O'L F'ing and blinding from here ...

    Anyway didn't come on for an argument so I'll leave it there:rolleyes:


  • #17
    sharkman
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    radar0976 wrote: »
    That comment is based on absolutely no evidence. Who knows whose fault it was ? It could equally be the controllers fault, a technical fault or something else. Let's reserve judgement for the moment before jumping to conclusions.
    Who was in control of the two aircraft at time of collision ????


  • #18
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    sharkman wrote: »
    I'd say it a little bit more than embarrassing ,No FR's safety has not been called into question ....yet ! But I can nearly hear M O'L F'ing and blinding from here ...

    Anyway didn't come on for an argument so I'll leave it there:rolleyes:

    It's not an argument between people, I don't know you, it's an argument stemming from your bizarre and deeply unfair statement. But whatever I made my point.


  • #19
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    sharkman wrote: »
    Who was in control of the two aircraft at time of collision ????

    As the poster said, it could be a number of things. And if it was the pilot's fault, only one of them needed to be at fault.

    I'm not saying this isn't the pilot's fault, or a wider problem at FR. But we don't know either way yet. The thing that really grates is some assumption that FR is suddenly an unsafe airline for other reasons - where has this notion come from?


  • #20
    eatmyshorts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    sharkman wrote: »
    Who was in control of the two aircraft at time of collision ????

    The Commanders, as always.


  • #21
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    I'm just a member of the public , not affiliated to any airline . So I'm calling it as the public see it . If it were two DHL drivers who crashed into each other on leaving their depot , I'd be questioning DHL's driver prowess .


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  • #22
    eatmyshorts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    radar0976 wrote: »
    . Who knows whose fault it was ? It could equally be the controllers fault...

    An ATC clearance, and taxiing on the centreline, does NOT guarantee wingtip clearance.
    Rule 101 if taxiing a large aircraft.
    So a controller can't really be blamed.


  • #23
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    sharkman wrote: »
    I'm just a member of the public , not affiliated to any airline . So I'm calling it as the public see it . If it were two DHL drivers who crashed into each other on leaving their depot , I'd be questioning DHL's driver prowess .

    The public as uninformed as ever then. And the DHL comparison - how many movements do DHL have over Europe all day, daily.


  • #24
    Czhornet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Czhornet


    sharkman wrote: »
    Looks like 2 ryanairs have clipped each others wings again in the same spot on taxi way DA ...

    Anyone know anything else about this?

    Doh!! O'Leary will have the hi viz vest on and be out on the tarmac lepping around the place


  • #25
    bombs away
    Closed Accounts Posts: 291 ✭✭bombs away


    Wingtip clearance is the responsibility of the pilots irrespective of what instruction they are given by air traffic control. Always has been.


  • #26
    flanzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭flanzer


    eatmyshorts wrote: »
    An ATC clearance, and taxiing on the centreline, does NOT guarantee wingtip clearance.
    Rule 101 if taxiing a large aircraft.
    So a controller can't really be blamed.

    Exactly! And it was the same the last time this happened. Pilots still have the responsibility to be aware of what's in the close vicinity

    I notice Ryanair have come out with the usual 'it was under the control of the ATC at the time'. The same guff as last time


  • #27
    2 stroke
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    Maybe its time for a bulk purchase of winglets.


  • #28
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    sharkman wrote: »
    I'm just a member of the public , not affiliated to any airline . So I'm calling it as the public see it . If it were two DHL drivers who crashed into each other on leaving their depot , I'd be questioning DHL's driver prowess .

    You're really not.


  • #29
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You're really not.

    To be fair, probably is in a lot of cases!


  • #30
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    fr336 wrote: »
    To be fair, probably is in a lot of cases!

    I dont think you can jump from what is basically a tip in a carpark to saying that a crash at motorway speeds is now more likely. if you pardon the analogy


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  • #31
    elastico
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    sharkman wrote: »
    I'm just a member of the public , not affiliated to any airline . So I'm calling it as the public see it . If it were two DHL drivers who crashed into each other on leaving their depot , I'd be questioning DHL's driver prowess .

    So if you are just a member of the public why come out with:

    But I can nearly hear M O'L F'ing and blinding from here ...

    When you clearly know nothing about Ryanair.

    A BA Jumbo took out the side of a building a few years ago, far more serious. And there was a BA incident involving wing tip collisions in 5% not so long ago.

    Pilot error on Germanwings and Malaysia Airlines in recent times had far more serious consequences.


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