Easter Lily.

harry Bailey esq · 29-03-2015 12:52PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'd rather not commemorate mindless killing and pyrrhic victories.

Like the somme?

Un Croissant · 29-03-2015 12:53PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Many went of need for money as Britin couldn't bring in conscription in Ireland so banned emigration and the lack of any real economy base in Ireland meant many had little choice but to sign up/or die of the hunger

That is your history lesson today...

Sign up to the army of the British empire, of which they were a part.

Is that what you're getting at?

The Backwards Man · 29-03-2015 12:55PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Like the somme?

Exactly like the Somme.

Remember it, definitely. Deify it, not for me.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-03-2015 12:56PM

Un Croissant wrote: »

Why not? It's true isn't it? No point in applying modern ideas to 100 years ago. Many went to fight to oppose independence, many went to ensure it and many went for a few quid.

But they were part of Britain. Or have I my history wrong?

Britain is an island just to the east of Ireland.So this country was never part of Britain.

tomwaterford · 29-03-2015 12:57PM

Un Croissant wrote: »

Sign up to the army of the British empire, of which they were a part.

Is that what you're getting at?

Given the way that so many who joined up upon return helped to drive it out of the country/train more of those who are commentated by the lily....I think you have any idea of there opionon of the empire....

:pac:

Un Croissant · 29-03-2015 12:59PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Britain is an island just to the east of Ireland.So this country was never part of Britain.

The British Empire then, if it suits you better

The Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland etc etc. I thought you'd know what I meant.

Lux23 · 29-03-2015 01:00PM

I've never seen anyone wear one, but then again I would rarely leave the house on Easter Sunday. It's a sleeping and eating day.

qt3.14 · 29-03-2015 01:01PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

If you want a proper lily get one from the national graves association.They are not political and take care of the plots of those involved in the rising,and the money raised goes towards maintenance of those graves.

"Its 'guiding principle' is "Only a 32 County Irish Republic represents the true aspiration of those who gave their lives for Irish freedom". As a result it does not look after the graves of British soldiers or Irish soldiers who were on the pro-treaty side in the Irish Civil War"

Yeah, not political at all. A stalking horse, as usual.

Un Croissant · 29-03-2015 01:01PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Given the way that so many who joined up upon return helped to drive it out of the country/train more of those who are commentated by the lily....I think you have any idea of there opionon of the empire....

:pac:

I wouldn't disagree. As I said, people went for many reasons.

The point made was that Ireland was not a part of the Empire. It was. That's a fact. It was not a foreign army.

I've no qualms with anything you're saying, to any great degree anyway.

galljga1 · 29-03-2015 01:03PM

Can we just provide a link to the threads from previous years and shut this down?

NotASheeple · 29-03-2015 01:05PM

ComeraghBlue wrote: »

Its offensive.

Sorry Republicans/IRA/SinnFein but there isn't a dislike button.

No it's not.

Sorry Revisionist Apologists/West Brits/Pro-Union Loyalist & Monarchists but there isn't a dislike button for the above.

kneemos · 29-03-2015 01:05PM

galljga1 wrote: »

Can we just provide a link to the threads from previous years and shut this down?

Needs to be vented regularly or we'll get a blockage.

harry Bailey esq · 29-03-2015 01:05PM

Un Croissant wrote: »

Sign up to the army of the British empire, of which they were a part.

Is that what you're getting at?

Go 60 years back again,when the country was ravaged by disease and famine and there was a mass exodus to the US.Why don't the record books from Ellis Island document the million plus that arrived as British emigrants? Why not? Because they were Irish.The British army is,and always has been a foreign army on this island.
I think your op is just to provoke reaction and start a clusterf*%k,as I said I'm not taking the bait but I'm sure many will.Ill bow out now and just watch.

Wang King · 29-03-2015 01:06PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Britain is an island just to the east of Ireland.So this country was never part of Britain.

Technically it was, when Pangea started to come apart we were part of the same breakaway state

Un Croissant · 29-03-2015 01:09PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Go 60 years back again,when the country was ravaged by disease and famine and there was a mass exodus to the US.Why don't the record books from Ellis Island document the million plus that arrived as British emigrants? Why not? Because they were Irish.The British army is,and always has been a foreign army on this island.
I think your op is just to provoke reaction and start a clusterf*%k,as I said I'm not taking the bait but I'm sure many will.Ill bow out now and just watch.

Presumably because Ireland is a separate country/kingdom/territory while being part of a larger whole? Like the Welsh and Scottish. Separate countries, part of one unit. That's my guess.

galljga1 · 29-03-2015 01:09PM

Wang King wrote: »

Technically it was, when Pangea started to come apart we were part of the same breakaway state

Yeah, but I was very young then. Can't really remember.

Un Croissant · 29-03-2015 01:12PM

galljga1 wrote: »

Yeah, but I was very young then. Can't really remember.

Pangaea Ultima may happen in the next 250 million years. So say goodbye to our blessed Republic :'(

galljga1 · 29-03-2015 01:18PM

Un Croissant wrote: »

Pangaea Ultima may happen in the next 250 million years. So say goodbye to our blessed Republic :'(

The last shake up was bad enough. Not looking forward to the next. Nuclear winter and all that... bloody freezing.

El_Duderino 09 · 29-03-2015 01:18PM

ComeraghBlue wrote: »

Its offensive.

Why offensive?

I could understand if you choose not to wear it but what offends you about it?

Easter Monday is our national day (only learned that recentl) EDIT; Can't find confirmation on the last point.

El_Duderino 09 · 29-03-2015 01:27PM

This is so strange. Do people think you have to believe exactly what the lads back then believed?

I would wear it to say 'thanks for the sacrifice made by all those who took part in the struggle for freedom. You laid the foundations for our state. Well take it from here to improve the Republic you helped achieve. (I'm not interested in a 32 county Republic)'

What does the lily mean to you?

tomwaterford · 29-03-2015 01:30PM

Un Croissant wrote: »

I wouldn't disagree. As I said, people went for many reasons.

The point made was that Ireland was not a part of the Empire. It was. That's a fact. It was not a foreign army.

I've no qualms with anything you're saying, to any great degree anyway.

It was a forgien army....took direction from London??
Aand last I heard that's not ireland???

fed up sick and tired · 29-03-2015 01:37PM

ComeraghBlue wrote: »

Its offensive.

Sorry Republicans/IRA/SinnFein but there isn't a dislike button.

.

What do you mean ?

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-03-2015 01:38PM

Un Croissant wrote: »

Annual thread about how awful/great/patriotic wearing the Easter Lily is.

Sure isn't it the same/worse/better that wearing the Poppy.

Meh.

fed up sick and tired · 29-03-2015 01:52PM

kneemos wrote: »

Maybe it's me though I suspect it's a common thing,but I've never felt gratitude or anything else for those that fought for Irish freedom.
Perhaps the modern day republicans have sullied their image.

This is pathetic stuff.

In reality, people haven't the stomach to see in their own lifetimes exactly the kind of things being done, that gave them their freedom.

It ignores the facts to peddle the line that the Provisional IRA were somehow diabolically worse than the Old IRA (who arguably did things that were just as brutal and cold as your 'modern day republicans'). Neither the Free State forces nor the Crown forces were any better.

The reality is that some people were brave enough to stand up to the 'greatest' empire in history, and fought, suffered and died so that future generations (us) could control our own destiny.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Maybe the country is a travesty of what freedom was supposed to bring us, and maybe if it were not so, we would look more fondly on those who sacrificed.

None of that is their fault though.

wendell borton · 29-03-2015 02:06PM

There should be neutral commission or some such setup to organise events of national importance. Whether you agree or not with the ideals of the 1916 rising it is an important point in the history of the country.
I hate the way commemorations are so politically partisan where, doesn't seem to happen with the 4th of july or bastille day. The 100th anniverersy will inevitably end up as some mealy mouthed affair with FG planning it.

Berserker · 29-03-2015 03:27PM

Never seen a lily on sale, never worn one and never would. Totally disapprove of what it stands for. If others want to wear one then let them do so.

Mint Sauce · 29-03-2015 03:39PM

Never seen them for sale or wore one either.

Would maybe like to, to celebrate those who died for independence, the same as I wear a poppy when in England, to remember those, who died in 2 World Wars, but going by some the comments here I would be very wary and conscious of the reaction I may get.

LDN_Irish · 29-03-2015 03:48PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Never seen them for sale or wore one either.

Would maybe like to, to celebrate those who died for independence, the same as I wear a poppy when in England, to remember those, who died in 2 World Wars, but going by some the comments here I would be very wary and conscious of the reaction I may get.

You'd get no reaction at all until you mentioned you were wearing it on an Internet forum where there'd be an army of people to tell you how awful it is to commemorate irish people using violence to achieve their ends unless they were fighting for the British Empire when it suddenly becomes OK. They were probably giving it all "we love you Madiba!" when Mandela died too.

Must be peculiar to feel like everyone on Earth should have the right to self determination except your own people.

fed up sick and tired · 29-03-2015 03:51PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Never seen them for sale or wore one either.

Would maybe like to, to celebrate those who died for independence, the same as I wear a poppy when in England, to remember those, who died in 2 World Wars, but going by some the comments here I would be very wary and conscious of the reaction I may get.

I don't think it's particularly impressive or magnanimous to wear a poppy just when you're in England.

If I felt that way about it, I'd just place some flowers at the local cenotaph on occasion throughout the year. That's not ostentatious enough for the poppy-fascist brigade, no doubt.

The poppy is a much bigger and more divisive debate than the two WW's.

whisky_galore · 29-03-2015 04:17PM

Oh Jesus, not this sh*t again, discussing the merits of wearing a symbol on your lapel, now a bi-annual event.
Some choose wear them.... others don't, just get over it already.

Easter Lily.

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