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Would you undergo preventive surgery to reduce cancer risk?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    It's not her fault she has the money to access the best possible health care. If I had her millions I'd get the best treatment money could buy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    eviltwin wrote: »
    It's not her fault she has the money to access the best possible health care. If I had her millions I'd get the best treatment money could buy.


    I don't think anyone was suggesting it was her "fault" that she has money to access the best possible health care. I do think however, that it's irresponsible of the media to be so focused on her decision as though it should be seen as an encouragement to ordinary women to undergo such extreme preventative measures without access to the same best possible health care and treatment that Angelina can afford.

    Encourage women to get themselves checked - good idea.

    Encourage women to go to the extremes Angelina has gone to - I'm really not so sure that's actually a good idea.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Saralee4


    eviltwin wrote: »
    It's not her fault she has the money to access the best possible health care. If I had her millions I'd get the best treatment money could buy.

    No I wasn't saying it was her fault, just more available that's all. Like I said if I was in the position I would seriously consider it myself but realistically I don't have that option.

    I don't think she should be ridiculed or praised. It's just an option that she has and she chose what was best for her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I don't think anyone was suggesting it was her "fault" that she has money to access the best possible health care. I do think however, that it's irresponsible of the media to be so focused on her decision as though it should be seen as an encouragement to ordinary women to undergo such extreme preventative measures without access to the same best possible health care and treatment that Angelina can afford.

    Encourage women to get themselves checked - good idea.

    Encourage women to go to the extremes Angelina has gone to - I'm really not so sure that's actually a good idea.

    It's not. No reports I've heard or read have been encouraging anyone to do the same, just raising awareness of the gene and the treatment available. There was an Irish woman on the radio during the week who had done it so it's not just an option for A listers with massive salaries. I think it's ultimately her decision. She has young children so I can understand why she did it. I wouldn't even have to think twice. I can live without my breasts and ovaries, I would never put my children through the pain of losing me to a cancer I could have prevented.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 209 ✭✭justbored


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Saralee4


    eviltwin wrote: »
    It's not. No reports I've heard or read have been encouraging anyone to do the same, just raising awareness of the gene and the treatment available. There was an Irish woman on the radio during the week who had done it so it's not just an option for A listers with massive salaries. I think it's ultimately her decision. She has young children so I can understand why she did it. I wouldn't even have to think twice. I can live without my breasts and ovaries, I would never put my children through the pain of losing me to a cancer I could have prevented.

    A boob job alone costs thousands. So removal and the reconstruction is going to cost more. Also the gene testing cost at the beginning. Then your out of work while sick, need someone to look after your kids. What happens if the reconstruction goes wrong? You see all the time on those shows about plastic surgery how things can go wrong often costing the person thousands to fix it. You'd still need to have a bit of money to spare to even consider it at this time.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Saralee4


    justbored wrote: »
    the gene test is free in Ireland. I took 6 weeks for each of the surgeries. I don't think that's a lot of time so reduce risk of these diseases.

    Really is the gene testing free, I didn't know that. Must look into it.

    Not everyone has private health insurance though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Saralee4 wrote: »
    A boob job alone costs thousands. So removal and the reconstruction is going to cost more. Also the gene testing cost at the beginning. Then your out of work while sick, need someone to look after your kids. What happens if the reconstruction goes wrong? You see all the time on those shows about plastic surgery how things can go wrong often costing the person thousands to fix it. You'd still need to have a bit of money to spare to even consider it at this time.

    Who looks after my kids if I'm dead? I know it's major surgery but I'd put my faith in the medical team to take care of me. I feel it's worth it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    I'd say I would, but would find it devastating. I know cancer would obviously be even more devastating, but that still wouldn't change how hard I'd find having the procedure done at the time and after.
    Links234 wrote: »
    Yeah, I wish people would stop giving her oxygen, she's a bad troll
    That's the thing - people are saying she's looking for attention, yet responding to her tweet. I realise I'm also doing so by the way. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    I don't think anyone was suggesting it was her "fault" that she has money to access the best possible health care. I do think however, that it's irresponsible of the media to be so focused on her decision as though it should be seen as an encouragement to ordinary women to undergo such extreme preventative measures without access to the same best possible health care and treatment that Angelina can afford.

    Encourage women to get themselves checked - good idea.

    Encourage women to go to the extremes Angelina has gone to - I'm really not so sure that's actually a good idea.
    Saralee4 wrote: »
    Really is the gene testing free, I didn't know that. Must look into it.

    Not everyone has private health insurance though.


    Jez you don't have to have AJ's wealth to avail of preventative surgery in this country. If you have the risk factors, like she did, your doctor should offer you genetic screening and then you can make a decision to have surgery or not. If you have health insurance, great. If you don't, well that's great too, because the state will pay for it. That's the beauty of socialised health care. Of course it saves money in the long term. - saves on the costs of lifetime screening for the disease, and for the folk who would have developed disease, saves on the treatment. And cancer treatment is very expensive.
    Personally, I wouldn't have to think twice if I had a risk anywhere approaching AJ's. As for protection of mental health - tbh, waiting everyday for the arrival of possible symptoms of cancer (which of course can be very nonspecific, so every ache, pain, lump or bump could be it) would surly drive the most sane amongst us demented. Breasts, ovaries, testicles - they're only appendages - they can all be replaced with something fake if you want. And that something won't kill you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Jez you don't have to have AJ's wealth to avail of preventative surgery in this country. If you have the risk factors, like she did, your doctor should offer you genetic screening and then you can make a decision to have surgery or not. If you have health insurance, great. If you don't, well that's great too, because the state will pay for it. That's the beauty of socialised health care. Of course it saves money in the long term. - saves on the costs of lifetime screening for the disease, and for the folk who would have developed disease, saves on the treatment. And cancer treatment is very expensive.


    The cost of treatment and aftercare and so on wouldn't be a factor for me personally, though I can understand from society's perspective how it would work out cheaper to take preventative measures than the cost of treatment after the fact.

    Obviously prevention is better than cure, but their perspective on the risks involved and whether the benefits outweigh those risks, is something that would be a very individual choice. I wouldn't want anyone here to think I mean to be intentionally offensive, but they made or would make a decision that was right or would be right for them. I can honestly say that decision wouldn't be for me.

    It's not as though I haven't thought about it either, there are many other conditions I'm aware of that I'm in a much higher risk category for, but I still wouldn't spend that much time thinking about the risk of developing those conditions.

    Personally, I wouldn't have to think twice if I had a risk anywhere approaching AJ's. As for protection of mental health - tbh, waiting everyday for the arrival of possible symptoms of cancer (which of course can be very nonspecific, so every ache, pain, lump or bump could be it) would surly drive the most sane amongst us demented. Breasts, ovaries, testicles - they're only appendages - they can all be replaced with something fake if you want. And that something won't kill you.


    A couple of years ago, during a routine medical procedure, doctors found and removed a lump and after a biopsy told me I would need to come back again in five years time. It's just not something I've given much thought to since. I know you're saying testes are 'only' appendages, but I happen to be very attached to mine, so I could never be so blasé about saying they were 'only' anything.

    At one point I thought I was being equally pragmatic when I went to hack off my leg, because I'm literally carrying around a permanently dead leg. I was only lucky that I came to my senses before I went through with it. It's definitely one of those situations for me personally where I wouldn't be able to make that decision until I was actually in that situation, and even then it would take a considerable amount of thought before I would undergo such preventative measures. I can respect other people's decision that they made the choice that was right for them, but I couldn't say at this point in time that I would make that same choice for myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,635 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I struggle with the logic of:
    I'm at serious risk of dying to a heart attack but I won't change anything because I'm happy.
    I've had a lump but it's not big deal.
    But I've a sore leg and I needed to be on the operating table before I realised I shouldn't get it chopped off.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Saralee4


    Jez you don't have to have AJ's wealth to avail of preventative surgery in this country. If you have the risk factors, like she did, your doctor should offer you genetic screening and then you can make a decision to have surgery or not. If you have health insurance, great. If you don't, well that's great too, because the state will pay for it. That's the beauty of socialised health care. Of course it saves money in the long term. - saves on the costs of lifetime screening for the disease, and for the folk who would have developed disease, saves on the treatment. And cancer treatment is very expensive.
    Personally, I wouldn't have to think twice if I had a risk anywhere approaching AJ's. As for protection of mental health - tbh, waiting everyday for the arrival of possible symptoms of cancer (which of course can be very nonspecific, so every ache, pain, lump or bump could be it) would surly drive the most sane amongst us demented. Breasts, ovaries, testicles - they're only appendages - they can all be replaced with something fake if you want. And that something won't kill you.

    I don't think you would have to have Angelinas wealth in order to get preventative surgery and from what ive heard here it seems that it is more available than I previously thought which is great and I might look into having a test myself however the financial side is still a factor in this. You have to make a decision as a 'healthy' person to undergo surgery. The cost of childcare, missing out on work and other factors are something that people have to consider not to mention if the surgery goes wrong.

    In terms of the 'beauty' of our socialised healthcare system, I know a bloke who has a fractured wrist that the hospital have said needs an urgent operation because his bone is dying. He does not qualify for a medical card and does not have private health insurance. The doctor in the hospital told him that he needs to get the operation asap. He said that it really should be done within six weeks that he would be referred to a clinic as urgent. The guy rang the clinic to get an idea of where he is on this urgency list and to know when to give his job an idea of when he will need time off. The woman at the clinic practically laughed and told him not to even think about it for the next year at least as that is how long the 'urgency' list is so he is walking round with a fractured wrist and dying bone for the next year.

    It would be great to bring in preventative as the main approach just like mammograms and smear tests but what happens if this is introduced and you have a surge of patients every year with a probable health mutation seeking a preventative treatment on the socialised health system? This is a probability that you may get the disease so there is a good chance that you are going to have a lot more people getting the surgery than actually would have ended up needing cancer treatment also. Maybe in a couple of years this would work out better financially for the health system because you would have less cancer patients later on, needing treatment but what happens in the mean time if your on the waiting list for one, two years or more and in this time you develop cancer?

    Like I have said I personally would probably get this procedure done myself because i would rather have some control over the situation if that is a possibility however I am just trying to see from another side of view because i can understand how this procedure might not be possible for everyone and also would not be a choice for everyone and i think its important to respect that.

    I don't think its fair to label anyone who doesn't feel that it is for them as, a mother who is leaving her kids behind, because she chose that the procedure was not for her and not the best in thing to do at that time in her life or couldn't get it done because at the time her friend was dying, then she had some other issue to deal with or couldn't take time away from work or many other possible reasons and unfortunately later on developed cancer and died.

    In my opinion there is no wrong and right decision here. Its based on personal situation and circumstance and you have to try to see it from all sides but just be happy with your own decisions and possibilities and deal with the consequences if so but it is not anyone's place to say whether it is wrong or a right thing to do for someone else. You can only speak for yourself and try to understand other peoples reasons for their choices about their own body


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    The cost of treatment and aftercare and so on wouldn't be a factor for me personally, though I can understand from society's perspective how it would work out cheaper to take preventative measures than the cost of treatment after the fact.

    Obviously prevention is better than cure, but their perspective on the risks involved and whether the benefits outweigh those risks, is something that would be a very individual choice. I wouldn't want anyone here to think I mean to be intentionally offensive, but they made or would make a decision that was right or would be right for them. I can honestly say that decision wouldn't be for me.

    It's not as though I haven't thought about it either, there are many other conditions I'm aware of that I'm in a much higher risk category for, but I still wouldn't spend that much time thinking about the risk of developing those conditions.





    A couple of years ago, during a routine medical procedure, doctors found and removed a lump and after a biopsy told me I would need to come back again in five years time. It's just not something I've given much thought to since. I know you're saying testes are 'only' appendages, but I happen to be very attached to mine, so I could never be so blasé about saying they were 'only' anything.

    At one point I thought I was being equally pragmatic when I went to hack off my leg, because I'm literally carrying around a permanently dead leg. I was only lucky that I came to my senses before I went through with it. It's definitely one of those situations for me personally where I wouldn't be able to make that decision until I was actually in that situation, and even then it would take a considerable amount of thought before I would undergo such preventative measures. I can respect other people's decision that they made the choice that was right for them, but I couldn't say at this point in time that I would make that same choice for myself.

    God yeah - it's every bodies own personal decision, and of course everyone has their own views about how important a 'bit' is to them. And of course the risks of a particular surgery versus the risk if developing disease need to be weighed up. I'd also include in the the ease of screening or detecting the disease if it develops. So for instance in AJ's case, she had a very high chance of developing cancer, the surgery to remove the ovaries is simple and straightforward with very few risks, and ovarian cancer had a nasty habit of often being very advanced before it's detected. I've no idea how personally attached to her ovaries AJ was, but their function can be replaced by HRT.
    Equally, I've known people like you who've dragged their non functioning and constantly painful leg around for years. Some of these people have elected to have an amputation and use a prosthesis, some haven't. It's a very individual choice. FWIW, I can't remember a single case of someone regretting their decision to amputate. I think that by the time you get to the point of begging someone to chop your leg off you're sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭Katgurl


    I've actually made this decision already. I had cancer of the uterus - the surgeons removed the tumour, it was enormous but low grade. I had to make a decision regarding a hysterectomy to avoid the cancer returning. I decided not to after some time; I don't want to go into early menopause, I couldn't face more surgery (it was extremely painful), my life had been in a permanent state of disruption.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Since both my parents died of cancer, once I get my lungs and my brain removed, I'll be sorted!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Thinking about it, I think I'd be fine without boobs. I actually have big enough ones, but I never think about them, rarely accentuate them, never feel superior because I have big boobs. I'm more into accentuating bum and legs. Some men aren't boob men, and I guess I'm not a boob woman! :) I guess it comes down to aesthetics and I think boobs of all size look good. I'd hope that they are given some kind of shape that doesn't look odd under clothing, but if I had a high risk of getting breast cancer, yeah, I'd do it!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Only a few generations ago people would get all their teeth removed to prevent further dental problems. Denture for life from your 20's

    Around the time of the great fire of London 10% of the deaths not attributable to plague were to teeth.



    Interesting to compare this to some people's attitudes on vaccines.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Saralee4


    Only a few generations ago people would get all their teeth removed to prevent further dental problems. Denture for life from your 20's

    Around the time of the great fire of London 10% of the deaths not attributable to plague were to teeth.



    Interesting to compare this to some people's attitudes on vaccines.

    Yea they removed healthy teeth with no decay. People would go to the dentist with a toothache and come back with no teeth. I heard it was almost considered fashionable at one stage to have false teeth!!


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