Skyscrapers

CB19Kevo · 25-03-2015 7:48pm #1

Seems like the US has really fallen behind when it comes to building tall.
Going to be hard to catch up to some of the projects going on in the middle east.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Tower
Will we ever see a time when Dublin or Cork will have a Skyline of note.

Riddle101 · 25-03-2015 7:51pm

Doesn't Dublin have a height limit for how high their buildings can be built? Don't think we'll ever have a Skyscraper though, not sure why would need one either. Tourism perhaps?

bb1234567 · 25-03-2015 7:55pm

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Seems like the US has really fallen behind when it comes to building tall.
Going to be hard to catch up to some of the projects going on in the middle east.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Tower
Will we ever see a time when Dublin or Cork will have a Skyline of note.

Hopefully not. Why would we want a skyline full of boring concrete and glass skyscrapers and just look like every other city outside europe...

Arsemageddon · 25-03-2015 7:57pm

Building the tallest building in the world in the country where most of the 9/11 planners and hijackers came from........mmmmm.........possibly not the best idea

conorh91 · 25-03-2015 7:58pm

Dublin is never going to be a skycraper city, but here's an interesting fact about London.

Did you know that the eponymous London clay is the reason that London has no noteworthy skyscrapers, relative to other major global cities?

The soil in much of central London is very pliant, which makes it ideal for boring underground transport links, but is an unsuitable material upon which to construct very tall structures.

(As an aside, in the southern suburbs of London, there is a more rigid type of soil which is harder to bore through, which is why that part of London has less underground, and which is why the tube, and the metropolis, both expand to the north)

Luke92 · 25-03-2015 8:02pm

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Building the tallest building in the world in the country where most of the 9/11 planners and hijackers came from........mmmmm.........possibly not the best idea

Also using the BinLaden group to build it

I know this is not a conspiracy thread but its still ironic!

hfallada · 25-03-2015 8:05pm

The US doesn't build tall due to the fact it isn't worthwhile financially after a certain height. It's economically feasible in Dubai due to the fact they have close to modern day slavery. They have done of migrant workers that live in slums and often never get paid.

Dublin doesnt have sky scapers as there is lobbying from certain group's to protect the heritage of the city. They rather have sprawling suburbs with no transport links to the city than high rise in the city. They have some belief that we need to protect the city skyline

Sky scapers if done right are amazing. I have seen the tallest and the third tallest building in the world. Its honestly breath taking to see. Some people think they are boring and horrific. But there is nothing worse than losing our countryside to ****ty 3 bed semi-ds to "protect the fabric of our city and its heritage".

flas · 25-03-2015 8:40pm

bb1234567 wrote: »

Hopefully not. Why would we want a skyline full of boring concrete and glass skyscrapers and just look like every other city outside europe...

Yes,let's build identical semi-d's for 50 miles around the outskirts with 3rd world transport links to the city centre! Let's protect the skyline which consists of a disused tower in smithfield, church steples scattered throughout the city and the heineken building! Let the tourists marvel at hawkins house and liberty hall!

In all honesty I'm just joking and I agree with no building high rise in certain parts of the city but the out right ban in thr city is absolutely ridiculous, and the 8 story limit or what ever it is dublin city council have in place is not high rise!

Rhys Essien · 25-03-2015 8:50pm

OP,Seen that Cork has the tallest Skyscrapers in Republic of Ireland,I give you Cork band Fred with 'Skyscrapers'.:pac:

SEPT 23 1989 · 25-03-2015 8:52pm

The majority of the population of Ireland are afraid of heights according to a major international study

G_R · 25-03-2015 8:52pm

Highrise, done properly, can be amazing. The IFSC/Docklands area should really be zoned High Density/High Rise - won't affect the cultural part of the city centre, but at the same time will give much needed large office space in the city centre, and will make large infrastructure projects more feasible.

Joe Doe · 25-03-2015 9:53pm

Belfast has the tallest building on the island i.e. Obel Tower (85m)
The Boat (62m) is rather funky also, won some fancy awards.
The Docklands would be the ideal place to put a few more.

shruikan2553 · 25-03-2015 10:04pm

Not until those people who have a fetish for "skylines" die off.

the evasion_kid · 25-03-2015 10:09pm

Worked on the scotia bank skyscraper in Toronto,68 stories and was asked to go over the side on a swing stage....not a fcukin hope says me! When people on the ground look like ants you know your up high

Paz-CCFC · 25-03-2015 10:27pm

bb1234567 wrote: »

Hopefully not. Why would we want a skyline full of boring concrete and glass skyscrapers and just look like every other city outside europe...

It's better than the view of a seemingly endless line of stationary cars stretching from the city centre in all directions as far as the eye can see.

Building out instead of up has been terrible for Dublin. Hopefully Cork and other cities will not follow suit to that extent. The high rise Elysian in Cork was a good idea in principle and, following a slow start, is increasing occupancy. It's better to have an extra 200 households based in the city centre in good quality residency, rather than having an extra 200 cars on the road.

FalconGirl · 25-03-2015 10:33pm

We really need to begin to build up in Dublin. The city is beginning to sprawl way too far out and we wont have the infrastructure to cope with it. The last few weeks the motorways into Dublin have been a nightmare with traffic in the mornings.

FalconGirl · 25-03-2015 10:35pm

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

Highrise, done properly, can be amazing. The IFSC/Docklands area should really be zoned High Density/High Rise - won't affect the cultural part of the city centre, but at the same time will give much needed large office space in the city centre, and will make large infrastructure projects more feasible.

I very much so agree with that. It seems like the sensible thing to do considering we are attracting some of the biggest IT companies in the world. Office space is getting short in town.

crockholm · 25-03-2015 11:46pm

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Seems like the US has really fallen behind when it comes to building tall.
Going to be hard to catch up to some of the projects going on in the middle east.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Tower
Will we ever see a time when Dublin or Cork will have a Skyline of note.

Sorry OP,but you could not be further from the truth.

The USA is not going to build White elephant phallus' just for the distinction of being the tallest,that is foolish and incredibly unwise and an irresponsible waste of Money.

Nationwide,the FAA have placed a limit of 2000 ft or 610 m as the maximum height that a building can be built so that it wont interfere with Aircraft flight paths.

New york is currently in its greatest building frenzy ever with supertalls (over 1000 ft high) being constructed or in preperation all across 57th st, a whole new cluster of skyscrapers are being built in the Hudson yards and Downtown is seeing many Towers going up too.

Add to the list LA and SF which are also currently building supertalls and Chicago has one (Wanda Tower) on the drawing board.Exciting times ahead for skyscraper enthusiasts, especially as the American ones are being built because the demand decides the height-not the feelings of inadequacy of some Gulf Sheik.

smurfjed · 27-03-2015 2:18pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Tower Had a look at this a few hours ago, they have gotten to about 100 meters. It will be bloody impressive when build but i certainly hope that no aircraft has a left engine failure

glynf · 27-03-2015 2:22pm

Skyscrapers in Dublin are a bad idea.

The hoop earrings, used condoms and needles falling from that height would be lethal..

knucklehead6 · 27-03-2015 2:33pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The majority of the population of Ireland are afraid of heights according to a major international study

which is kind of ironic considering there are so many high horses around

circadian · 27-03-2015 2:33pm

Shanghai Tower is looking impressive these days.

I'd love to see more high rises in Dublin but not the run of the mill glass and concrete towers. There's no need for supertall buildings so there's mote scope for unique designs due to the smaller scale.

BoJack Horseman · 27-03-2015 2:41pm

While there is still farmland within the M50, Dublin can never be considered overcrowded.

It doesn't need high-rise.
I'm not opposed, but there isn't any need either.

suicide_circus · 27-03-2015 2:58pm

smurfjed wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Tower Had a look at this a few hours ago, they have gotten to about 100 meters. It will be bloody impressive when build but i certainly hope that no aircraft has a left engine failure

I wonder will they hang gay people from it

circadian · 27-03-2015 3:07pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

While there is still farmland within the M50, Dublin can never be considered overcrowded.

It doesn't need high-rise.
I'm not opposed, but there isn't any need either.

Where's the farmland within the M50?

greendom · 27-03-2015 3:12pm

FalconGirl wrote: »

We really need to begin to build up in Dublin. The city is beginning to sprawl way too far out and we wont have the infrastructure to cope with it. The last few weeks the motorways into Dublin have been a nightmare with traffic in the mornings.

I agree with building up but I don't think doing so would have much of a beneficial impact on traffic levels on motorways into Dublin. The people working in skyscrapers will still need to get to work.

rossie1977 · 27-03-2015 3:28pm

bb1234567 wrote: »

Hopefully not. Why would we want a skyline full of boring concrete and glass skyscrapers and just look like every other city outside europe...

i dunno maybe its just me but i wouldn't call that boring or that or that either

BoJack Horseman · 27-03-2015 3:39pm

circadian wrote: »

Where's the farmland within the M50?

Some between jct 12. & 13, next to, but not part of Marlay park.

blackwhite · 27-03-2015 3:56pm

circadian wrote: »

Where's the farmland within the M50?

A good chunk between Ashtown and Finglas - and not just the old reclaimed dump!

Take a spin along the River Rd someday and we'll see it

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.378211,-6.323345,3a,75y,321.63h,90.62t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1srl_PJ7C-RnaWSlD7-yRG_g!2e0

conorhal · 27-03-2015 4:27pm

hfallada wrote: »

The US doesn't build tall due to the fact it isn't worthwhile financially after a certain height. It's economically feasible in Dubai due to the fact they have close to modern day slavery. They have done of migrant workers that live in slums and often never get paid.

Dublin doesnt have sky scapers as there is lobbying from certain group's to protect the heritage of the city. They rather have sprawling suburbs with no transport links to the city than high rise in the city. They have some belief that we need to protect the city skyline

Sky scapers if done right are amazing. I have seen the tallest and the third tallest building in the world. Its honestly breath taking to see. Some people think they are boring and horrific. But there is nothing worse than losing our countryside to ****ty 3 bed semi-ds to "protect the fabric of our city and its heritage".

A common misconception among those that dont seem to know that there is no problem getting planning permission for skyscrapers in designated high density zones like the docklands or Hueston South Quater or out in Tallaght and Leopardstown etc. These are the same baffled eejits that seem to think that what's holding back the city is the refusal to vandalise a single square mile of Georgian Dublin as was done during the 60's and 70's, the last time our planners strove for 'progress' and gave us Hawkins House and Liberty Hall.

paulbok · 27-03-2015 4:32pm

conorhal wrote: »

A common misconception among those that dont seem to know that there is no problem getting planning permission for skyscrapers in designated high density zones like the docklands or Hueston South Quater or out in Tallaght and Leopardstown etc. These are the same baffled eejits that seem to think that what's holding back the city is the refusal to vandalise a single square mile of Georgian Dublin as was done during the 60's and 70's, the last time our planners strove for 'progress' and gave us Hawkins House and Liberty Hall.

So whats the max height allowable for a flagship building in a designated hd zone, and what would be the average height allowable (assuming not every/ <10% of buildings would be allowed at max height.

bb1234567 · 27-03-2015 6:56pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

While there is still farmland within the M50, Dublin can never be considered overcrowded.

It doesn't need high-rise.
I'm not opposed, but there isn't any need either.

It just could be so much more compact and save thousands of people many hours of travelling and money spent on travelling to and from the city centre too. Even going on the luas into stephens green there are so many derelict and empty sites in the very heart of the city that could easily be filled with apartments or student residents.

bb1234567 · 27-03-2015 7:00pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

i dunno maybe its just me but i wouldn't call that boring or that or that either

And do you think Dublins just going to suddenly sprout a world famous skyline? Yeah if you cherry pick the most beautiful skylines then you have a good point but most cities with skyscrapers just look like this.

hfallada · 27-03-2015 8:02pm

bb1234567 wrote: »

And do you think Dublins just going to suddenly sprout a world famous skyline? Yeah if you cherry pick the most beautiful skylines then you have a good point but most cities with skyscrapers just look like this.

Maybe the horrific ones of the 1970s. But the more modern ones are incredible eg pretty much all the ones built in NYC and London in the last 10-15 years.

Mint Aero · 31-03-2015 1:42am

We should just build one huge skyscraper fronting the Atlantic and put everyone in it. Dubs on bottom. Munster people on top of course. Be grand and warm, cut down on the light bill too.

knucklehead6 · 31-03-2015 7:59am

Mint Aero wrote: »

We should just build one huge skyscraper fronting the Atlantic and put everyone in it. Dubs on bottom. Munster people on top of course. Be grand and warm, cut down on the light bill too.

Stick it on top of the Cliffs of Moher and we'll be sorted when the La Palma mega Tsunami strikes too.

Zebra3 · 01-04-2015 12:46am

rossie1977 wrote: »

i dunno maybe its just me but i wouldn't call that boring or that or that either

Pfft! Astana ftw! :pac:

Aard · 01-04-2015 12:59am

hfallada wrote: »

The US doesn't build tall due to the fact it isn't worthwhile financially after a certain height. It's economically feasible in Dubai due to the fact they have close to modern day slavery. They have done of migrant workers that live in slums and often never get paid.

Dublin doesnt have sky scapers as there is lobbying from certain group's to protect the heritage of the city. They rather have sprawling suburbs with no transport links to the city than high rise in the city. They have some belief that we need to protect the city skyline.

The exact same is true for Dublin as it is for your US factoid, just on a smaller scale. The economics don't stack up to build over ~20 storeys in central Dublin. Outside the CBD the economics don't stack up to build over ~10.

There is an application atm for a building in the Docklands that would be allowed up to 25 storeys, but the developer is only going for 21 due to the fact that it would be too expensive to build any more given what he could rent them for. Even in a market with exorbitant Grade A office rents.

Peregrine · 01-04-2015 1:14am

circadian wrote: »

Where's the farmland within the M50?

Hillside Farm to the south of DCU. 50 odd acres.

conorhal wrote: »

A common misconception among those that dont seem to know that there is no problem getting planning permission for skyscrapers in designated high density zones like the docklands or Hueston South Quater or out in Tallaght and Leopardstown etc. These are the same baffled eejits that seem to think that what's holding back the city is the refusal to vandalise a single square mile of Georgian Dublin as was done during the 60's and 70's, the last time our planners strove for 'progress' and gave us Hawkins House and Liberty Hall.

Under the Docklands SDZ, the mean, mode and median average height permitted for commercial buildings are all around 8 stories. I think there are two small sites where a maximum of 22 stories is allowed, 3 with a maximum of 12-13 and around 25 where only 5-8 storey buildings are permitted. That's before you include the countless 6 story buildings that's already there. I just don't agree with putting such heavy restrictions before a design is even visualised.

I don't want to see historic Dublin replaced with modern buildings but I also don't want to see land wasted in the docklands. The SDZ plan makes for a harrowing read. The misconception is on your side.

donvito99 · 01-04-2015 1:21am

Met a Saudi at a bar in Boston last summer who's a member of the family that owns Kingdom Holdings who are behind this project.

He was evidently stinking rich, he explained to me that presidential suite in which he was staying at at a city hotel had been flooded by a fairly catastrophic leak in the one of the rooms WC, and that he had refused the hotel's offer to comp his stay, offering to pay for the damage himself. He was over in the states for dental surgery. A smarmy, obnoxious **** when sober, he had a too much to drink (two cosmos - I shi-t you not) and proceeded to abuse every other bar and restaurant patron. He then offered to buy out the bar for the evening so that all of the other people there would have to clear off.

These wealthy Saudis are dicks.

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