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Rosanna Davison advises cheating woman to conceal paternity doubts from her boyfriend

  • 26-03-2015 02:44AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I'm pretty speechless after reading this. If anyone wondered why the issue of mens' rights has started to become widely debated in recent times and those who campaign for them sometimes seem bitter and untrusting, this type of unbelievably hideous sh!te is the exact reason.

    http://www.independent.ie/style/sex-relationships/dear-rosanna-im-six-months-pregnant-but-im-not-sure-if-my-boyfriend-or-his-best-friend-is-the-father-31094031.html
    Q. I’m six months pregnant and I’m not sure that my partner is the father of our child. I had a one night stand with his friend and now timing-wise this child could belong to either man. My boyfriend is so thrilled at the prospect of becoming a father and I want to just go along with that because it’s something that we had planned to do anyway. His pal and I have not said one word to each other since we slept together but I can see how he looks at me since we announced my pregnancy.

    He has a wife and two children, so it’s not like he wants any of this to come out, but this is a pretty big secret to have lurking in the background – if there was no chance whatsoever that the pal could be the dad of my baby then I’d try put it behind us, but time wise I can’t lie to myself that this is the case. I think the fact that myself and this other man have not spoken about what happened or the possibility that this child is his is not helping – if we can both agree to chalk it up as a mistake that we will never mention to another soul then maybe I can just plough on with my partner?

    A. This pregnancy must have come as a shock timing-wise, but your focus really needs to be on having a healthy and stress-free pregnancy, and delivering a healthy baby.

    It’s happened now, you’re bringing a new life into the world and it would be pointless to get caught up in guilt and regret. I do think that you need to speak to your boyfriend’s friend before the baby is born, and to make it clear to him that the baby could be his but if he is willing to forget that the one night stand happened, then you are too. I would imagine that he’s happy to get back to his normal life and not get caught up in another woman’s child, as well as the huge problems it will cause with your boyfriend.

    You might consider taking a paternity test on your child, but for now it’s most important to speak to this man and agree on how you both want to proceed. My advice is to focus on your boyfriend as being the father and cut contact with this other man once you have spoken to him.

    The fact that a mainstream newspaper (yes, even if it is the Indo) would happily print an article advising somebody to trick her partner into giving up his life to raise another man's child without realising it is something I find shocking, even in a society in which mens' rights and autonomy are generally ridden roughshod over without a second thought. Is paternity fraud really normalised to the extent at which it can be advised to casually and openly, without literally a single sentence in the article giving thought to how the boyfriend might feel if he knew the kid wasn't his?

    That's not even getting into the fact that this woman is being advised to conceal her infidelity, again as if her partner's feelings or role in their relationship is completely irrelevant. I have a very hard time imagining that any cheating man would ever be advised to do the same. Nor is it even touching the issue of another man potentially having a child that he will never know about - where do his rights as a biological parent come into any of this?

    I consider myself a gender egalitarian rather than either a feminist or an MRA, and I definitely don't consider myself MGTOW - but bullsh!t like this is directly responsible, at least in part, for the trend of guys shunning relationships. The same trend which I'm sure people like Ms Davison will bemoan in future newspaper columns, "why are there no good men who are interested in a relationship / getting married / etc?" before accusing the majority of this generation's men of being childish or having "peter pan syndrome" simply because they're disillusioned with how irrelevant their own desires and feelings in relationships have become from society's point of view.

    Does anyone else find the article absolutely abhorrent? Does it surprise anyone? Am I being overly pessimistic in my belief that this kind of male disposability has become absolutely endemic in society to the point at which it is seen as somehow normal, and not a horrific violation of an actual human being's life? Is this view less mainstream than the media trends suggest?

    Thoughts?
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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭Kevin McCloud


    I don't know op, we wont solve it tonight anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,969 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    She's an idiot so who cares what she thinks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,453 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Presuming:

    (A) the letter wasn't actually 'from' an Indo sub editor filling inches on the page,

    and,

    (B) the reply wasn't actually 'from' another Indo sub editor filling inches on the page,

    who cares? It's the Indo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    It's just one woman's opinion in one of those tacky advice columns that all papers go for. Now I'm no expert, but I'm reasonably sure that one woman's opinion does not equal all woman's opinions, so while I like you don't agree with the advice that's given per se, I don't really see the need to go on an all out tirade of gender bashing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    The main fault lies with the Indo for giving RD a platform in the first place, to advise people on their relationships. How on earth does being the daughter of a former 80's popstar/model/former Miss World/rabid vegan qualify her to meddle in peoples lives like this?

    The woman in question also deserves a good smack for thinking that someone like RD should be advising her on her love life.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭Kevin McCloud


    I don't really see the need to go on an all out tirade of gender bashing.

    Fully agree, think the op is getting very testy, he should go to the gym and do a workout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    I understand why she would advise it. IE: speak not of it and nobody gets hurt. It was a one night stand only.
    Raising another person's child doesn't make you any less of a parent, BTW. If you think it does then I'd wonder what you think of adoption. It's not about men's rights anymore than it is about the right of kid she's pregnant with. Nor is it about women's rights.
    It's about doing what is best for all parties involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Fully agree, think the op is getting very testy, he should go to the gym and do a workout.

    Remember when you said "fully agree" about no need for the gender bashing? Yeah? Great.
    Drop the gender bashing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 914 ✭✭✭tommyboy2222


    I understand why she would advise it. IE: speak not of it and nobody gets hurt. It was a one night stand only.
    Raising another person's child doesn't make you any less of a parent, BTW. If you think it does then I'd wonder what you think of adoption. It's not about men's rights anymore than it is about the right of kid she's pregnant with. Nor is it about women's rights.
    It's about doing what is best for all parties involved.

    Except the boyfriend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I understand why she would advise it. IE: speak not of it and nobody gets hurt. It was a one night stand only.
    Raising another person's child doesn't make you any less of a parent, BTW. If you think it does then I'd wonder what you think of adoption. It's not about men's rights anymore than it is about the right of kid she's pregnant with. Nor is it about women's rights.
    It's about doing what is best for all parties involved.

    I dunno BD, again I'm no expert, but the longer you spend sweeping under carpets, the more you end up with dirt under your feet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Except the boyfriend.
    How so? The choice is "keep the boyfriend out of the loop and never mention the subject again" or "tell boyfriend, potentially risk breakup, possible fist fight between him and the other fella, possible ruining of the other man's family, leaving the pregnant woman without a partner to support her at all.
    I dunno BD, again I'm no expert, but the longer you spend sweeping under carpets, the more you end up with dirt under your feet.

    I completely agree but the thing is, the advice seemed to be "if it can be pushed away and never mentioned again then it's fine". It all does come down to individual situations and all but given how little the letter to her said, her reply was pretty decent for the informatnion she got.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    It's just one woman's opinion in one of those tacky advice columns that all papers go for. Now I'm no expert, but I'm reasonably sure that one woman's opinion does not equal all woman's opinions, so while I like you don't agree with the advice that's given per se, I don't really see the need to go on an all out tirade of gender bashing.

    Ehh, I can kind of see his point. Twould raise more than a few eyebrows if a mens' magazine advice column told a man to conceal from his wife the fact that he'd knocked her friend up like. There are gendered double standards all through life, this happens to be one that very much victimises men. Pointing out that something victimises men does not equal woman bashing, just as pointing out that say, sexual violence disproportionately affects women is not man bashing.

    But. Some people are horrible. Some of those people are women. Most people are sound. Tbh, this whole thing of avoiding women rather than avoiding horrible people as a response to the actions of some horrible women does come across as the action of someone who's either not that bright or not that predisposed to like women in the first place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭2Bints1Joe


    Don't listen to her ladies she couldn't even conceal when she cheated in a charity marathon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    I understand why she would advise it. IE: speak not of it and nobody gets hurt. It was a one night stand only.
    Raising another person's child doesn't make you any less of a parent, BTW. If you think it does then I'd wonder what you think of adoption. It's not about men's rights anymore than it is about the right of kid she's pregnant with. Nor is it about women's rights.
    It's about doing what is best for all parties involved.

    Of course it doesn't. But people generally enter into an adoptive relationship with a child, knowing full well that they are not biologically related to the child, but they make a conscious decision to love and care for the child anyway. In this case, the "father" has no idea that he isn't the father. He is not being given any choice in the matter. That is not fair to all parties involved, the child most of all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,116 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Am I being overly pessimistic

    Yes, very much so.
    Is this view less mainstream than the media trends suggest?

    The mainstream media should only be used as a barometer as to how much we're utter bull**** is passed off as news or how pervasive and shallow celeb-culture is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    How so? The choice is "keep the boyfriend out of the loop and never mention the subject again" or "tell boyfriend, potentially risk breakup, possible fist fight between him and the other fella, possible ruining of the other man's family, leaving the pregnant woman without a partner to support her at all.

    The Father of the Child should step up..
    May not be her 'partner', but that's their own doing.

    i.e. - For them to figure out, not leave a third person involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    you'd hope the two lads are the same race at least...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Of course it doesn't. But people generally enter into an adoptive relationship with a child, knowing full well that they are not biologically related to the child, but they make a conscious decision to love and care for the child anyway. In this case, the "father" has no idea that he isn't the father. He is not being given any choice in the matter. That is not fair to all parties involved, the child most of all.

    You're assuming he's not the father. The lady never stated if either one was the father. Just a "maybe".
    In what way does the child lose the most?
    Allyall wrote: »
    The Father of the Child should step up..
    May not be her 'partner', but that's their own doing.

    i.e. - For them to figure out, not leave a third person involved.

    See above. Lady has no idea who the father is. She thinks it could be his mate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    Sorry, but how eactly is the following advice to conceal paternity doubts:
    You might consider taking a paternity test on your child, but for now it’s most important to speak to this man and agree on how you both want to proceed.
    Surely when she says 'speak to this man' she means regarding her doubts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Take a DNA test from the kid,and work from there.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Sorry, but how eactly is the following advice to conceal paternity doubts:

    Surely when she says 'speak to this man' she means regarding her doubts.

    This bit: I do think that you need to speak to your boyfriend’s friend before the baby is born, and to make it clear to him that the baby could be his but if he is willing to forget that the one night stand happened, then you are too. I


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    Crikey what a mess. Paternity test should be done ASAP when the baby's born, in my opinion.

    If the other guy is the father, ideally she should come clean - but that could lead to the breakdown of the other guy's marriage and family, so easier said than done. However, not coming clean would mean her partner being duped into thinking he is raising his own child when he isn't, which is simply unacceptable in my opinion.
    Coming clean now to her partner that he may not be the father might cause a level of turmoil that wouldn't be good for the baby she is carrying. But waiting until after the baby is born will mean months of her partner being overjoyed that he is about to become a father, and then if it turns out he isn't...
    The break-up of their relationship would be no biggie in my opinion as, how well was it going if she had sex with his friend? The pair of tools. I know life isn't straightforward and crap happens, but... his friend?!!

    No easy answers, but a decision has to be made, and I don't agree with saying nothing if the paternity test reveals the friend is the father. Desperate fecking advice on that dumb column.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    You're assuming he's not the father. The lady never stated if either one was the father. Just a "maybe".
    In what way does the child lose the most?



    See above. Lady has no idea who the father is. She thinks it could be his mate.

    The child loses most if the mother decides to leave things as they are, not raise the paternity issue, but the child finds out later on that Daddy is not their biological father. Some adopted people get on perfectly find not knowing where they "from" or what their biological roots are. Some people don't and are deeply troubled by it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    i agree with endacl above, it's probably a bullsh1t story with a bullsh1t reply from someone on work experience.

    in all seriousness though, if this were a real situation, it has implications on the baby's health down the line in cases of inherited dodgy genes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    And if the other guy is the father, while he says he wouldn't be interested in the child now, it could be a very different story down the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    The child loses most if the mother decides to leave things as they are, not raise the paternity issue, but the child finds out later on that Daddy is not their biological father. Some adopted people get on perfectly find not knowing where they "from" or what their biological roots are. Some people don't and are deeply troubled by it.

    I think you're overreacting here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭iptba


    If the issue of paternity is never investigated, the child could end up thinking the wrong person is their father.

    As well as the dubious morals regarding causing a man to be cuckolded, it also means that the child would have the wrong information about their family medical history.

    Also in terms of dating, they could date somebody who was a close blood relative which is not good for the health of children that result (or if the information did come out eventually that a couple were related biologically after a couple were already close, it would lead to a lot of emotional strife).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    I think you're overreacting here.
    I don't know. It would be devastating for anyone to find out their father isn't who they thought he was (if it turns out that the friend in this case is the father).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    This bit:

    But isn't that just in reference to stopping the affair?

    Doesn't her then saying she needs to sit down with her b/f and decide how they want proceed imply that she should tell her b/f of those paternity doubts? I mean, what else would Roseanna mean by saying she needs to "speak to this man" about if not the paternity doubts?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    You all do realize it's only a possibly the other man is the father, right? Some of you are acting like it's a sure thing.


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