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  • #482
    tunguska
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭tunguska


    Firedance wrote: »
    Must try this...how do you distinguish between pain from pushing yourself to your max & pain that will result in injury. If I feel pain for eg in one hamstring ill ease off, I see a lot of of that in logs too, 'felt a twinge in x so eased off pace' heavy legs is another common one. Really interesting topic.

    Just seeing this now........There is a big difference between pain caused by the discomfort of pushing yourself and pain from an injury. If you feel something go or pop in a race then theres no point in plugging on, you'll just dig a deeper hole for yourself.
    The pain from discomfort is something you can do something about and its definitely something to endure and accept. If you cant get your head around the concept of tuning into your body to the point where you can locate the source of the discomfort, then there are other ways to deal with the pain. I better preface this with a warning though as this may sound new agey or like something you'd hear at yoga retreat, so feel free to roll your eyes.......I'd roll my eyes, but to be fair it does work. If Im in a heap during a race and red zoning it, I'll say to myself, "Relax, I let you in."
    For whatever reasons when you say these words something happens to your body and you stop resisting the pain and when you do that and just accept it and let it in, the discomfort levels drop to the point where it becomes manageable. You expend so much energy bracing yourself against the pain that this has the effect of ramping up the discomfort levels even further. Its a paradox, the more you fight it the stronger it gets, but when drop your guard and let it in, it works itself out. Its understandable to resist pain, we all do it, whether its physical pain or emotional pain, the first reaction of most people is to try to block it out, distract yourself and resist it. But the answer is kind of counter intuitive, in that you have to drop your defensives and allow it in. Its a leap of faith but when you do drop your guard and allow it in, it always works itself out very quickly.
    The trick is to be conscious of when youre trying to block the discomfort out and when you do notice what youre doing, not to fall into the trap of dealing with it the way you always have done. Ive seen this so many times in races, lads just stopping and stepping off to the side of the road, when it seemed like they were going well. Sometimes they get going again after a break, but never at the same clip and sometimes they call it quits there and then. I always make a point of talking to somebody who ive seen drop out of a race afterwards, to find out what happened. The answer, most of the time, is along the lines of, they were fooked and couldnt handle the discomfort, like it overwhelmed them. And I just think with more self awareness and skill you could prevent this from happening.
    Discomfort comes in waves aswell, one minute you could be feeling ok but the next you're in the Red zone, but just being aware that discomfort comes in waves is enough to deal with something like that, you just need to relax, not fight it, and let things play themselves without panicking or reacting. Its almost like you have to become disembodied, and observe whats happening from a distance and not allow your emotions to hijack you and take control. Take a step back and let it do its thing, but dont react.
    Hope that makes sense.


  • #483
    tang1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    tunguska wrote: »
    Just seeing this now........There is a big difference between pain caused by the discomfort of pushing yourself and pain from an injury. If you feel something go or pop in a race then theres no point in plugging on, you'll just dig a deeper hole for yourself.
    The pain from discomfort is something you can do something about and its definitely something to endure and accept. If you cant get your head around the concept of tuning into your body to the point where you can locate the source of the discomfort, then there are other ways to deal with the pain. I better preface this with a warning though as this may sound new agey or like something you'd hear at yoga retreat, so feel free to roll your eyes.......I'd roll my eyes, but to be fair it does work. If Im in a heap during a race and red zoning it, I'll say to myself, "Relax, I let you in."
    For whatever reasons when you say these words something happens to your body and you stop resisting the pain and when you do that and just accept it and let it in, the discomfort levels drop to the point where it becomes manageable. You expend so much energy bracing yourself against the pain that this has the effect of ramping up the discomfort levels even further. Its a paradox, the more you fight it the stronger it gets, but when drop your guard and let it in, it works itself out. Its understandable to resist pain, we all do it, whether its physical pain or emotional pain, the first reaction of most people is to try to block it out, distract yourself and resist it. But the answer is kind of counter intuitive, in that you have to drop your defensives and allow it in. Its a leap of faith but when you do drop your guard and allow it in, it always works itself out very quickly.
    The trick is to be conscious of when youre trying to block the discomfort out and when you do notice what youre doing, not to fall into the trap of dealing with it the way you always have done. Ive seen this so many times in races, lads just stopping and stepping off to the side of the road, when it seemed like they were going well. Sometimes they get going again after a break, but never at the same clip and sometimes they call it quits there and then. I always make a point of talking to somebody who ive seen drop out of a race afterwards, to find out what happened. The answer, most of the time, is along the lines of, they were fooked and couldnt handle the discomfort, like it overwhelmed them. And I just think with more self awareness and skill you could prevent this from happening.
    Discomfort comes in waves aswell, one minute you could be feeling ok but the next you're in the Red zone, but just being aware that discomfort comes in waves is enough to deal with something like that, you just need to relax, not fight it, and let things play themselves without panicking or reacting. Its almost like you have to become disembodied, and observe whats happening from a distance and not allow your emotions to hijack you and take control. Take a step back and let it do its thing, but dont react.
    Hope that makes sense.

    I remember the original post you made regarding this, it came into my head a few weeks ago doing a 10 mile race, it worked a treat, i was going through a tough time in the race but relaxed and eased back a touch and let the hurt do its thing. Got back into it and finished strong, previously i would have stopped & walked or gave up altogether, cheers.


  • #484
    Firedance
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    tunguska wrote: »
    Just seeing this now........There is a big difference between pain caused by the discomfort of pushing yourself and pain from an injury. If you feel something go or pop in a race then theres no point in plugging on, you'll just dig a deeper hole for yourself.
    The pain from discomfort is something you can do something about and its definitely something to endure and accept. If you cant get your head around the concept of tuning into your body to the point where you can locate the source of the discomfort, then there are other ways to deal with the pain. I better preface this with a warning though as this may sound new agey or like something you'd hear at yoga retreat, so feel free to roll your eyes.......I'd roll my eyes, but to be fair it does work. If Im in a heap during a race and red zoning it, I'll say to myself, "Relax, I let you in."
    For whatever reasons when you say these words something happens to your body and you stop resisting the pain and when you do that and just accept it and let it in, the discomfort levels drop to the point where it becomes manageable. You expend so much energy bracing yourself against the pain that this has the effect of ramping up the discomfort levels even further. Its a paradox, the more you fight it the stronger it gets, but when drop your guard and let it in, it works itself out. Its understandable to resist pain, we all do it, whether its physical pain or emotional pain, the first reaction of most people is to try to block it out, distract yourself and resist it. But the answer is kind of counter intuitive, in that you have to drop your defensives and allow it in. Its a leap of faith but when you do drop your guard and allow it in, it always works itself out very quickly.
    The trick is to be conscious of when youre trying to block the discomfort out and when you do notice what youre doing, not to fall into the trap of dealing with it the way you always have done. Ive seen this so many times in races, lads just stopping and stepping off to the side of the road, when it seemed like they were going well. Sometimes they get going again after a break, but never at the same clip and sometimes they call it quits there and then. I always make a point of talking to somebody who ive seen drop out of a race afterwards, to find out what happened. The answer, most of the time, is along the lines of, they were fooked and couldnt handle the discomfort, like it overwhelmed them. And I just think with more self awareness and skill you could prevent this from happening.
    Discomfort comes in waves aswell, one minute you could be feeling ok but the next you're in the Red zone, but just being aware that discomfort comes in waves is enough to deal with something like that, you just need to relax, not fight it, and let things play themselves without panicking or reacting. Its almost like you have to become disembodied, and observe whats happening from a distance and not allow your emotions to hijack you and take control. Take a step back and let it do its thing, but dont react.
    Hope that makes sense.

    nope no eye rolling, thanks a mil for that detail and yes, it does make sense. I have a habit of tensing my shoulders (probably all the time) but its an issue when running as one arm/shoulder becomes sore & uncomfortable. After reading this thread the other day I said to myself where is it hurting, right shoulder/arm/hand all completely tense and immediately without telling myself to relax my shoulder relaxed by itself. Its just another aspect for me to become aware of now when running, be aware of my form, am I stomping my feet / slouching over and now be aware of the pain. When I race its usually my lungs screaming and my legs feeling like jelly so I will defo try this when thats going on. My favourite part of this community is learning stuff like this :)


  • #485
    Dubgal72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Firedance wrote: »
    nope no eye rolling, thanks a mil for that detail and yes, it does make sense. I have a habit of tensing my shoulders (probably all the time) but its an issue when running as one arm/shoulder becomes sore & uncomfortable. After reading this thread the other day I said to myself where is it hurting, right shoulder/arm/hand all completely tense and immediately without telling myself to relax my shoulder relaxed by itself. Its just another aspect for me to become aware of now when running, be aware of my form, am I stomping my feet / slouching over and now be aware of the pain. When I race its usually my lungs screaming and my legs feeling like jelly so I will defo try this when thats going on. My favourite part of this community is learning stuff like this :)

    Hi Firedance, +1 to Tunguska's comments.
    When I ran in 'my other life', my mantra was always 'relax, relax, relax'. We used to call it 'tying up' when you hit the feeling of...well, literally tying up when trying to raise an all out sprint at the end of a race. Relaxing was the only way to overcome that. Fight the pain by tensing up and the pain wins...
    My knowledge about pain management when racing was pretty implicit back then with little or no analysis. Posts like Tunguska's definitely help take pain management to the next level so thanks again T :D


  • #486
    Dubgal72
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    Mon 23 March
    2 miles easy    , no core etc, (no time).

    Tue 24 March
    Track session     (first in around 23 years :D )
    Planned: 6x800m @3min each with 2.5 min rec
    Actual: 3x800m in 2:56, 3:00 and 3:02, 2.5min rec

    I had to make the call to cut the session short. My throat congestion has been lurking and basically I haven't been taking *the best* care of myself...late nights etc. The throat has been a bit hoarse and tight the last few days and a few seal barks from the chest just before the session tipped me off that I had to keep an eye on things, especially with a biting and strong headwind on the finishing strait. Breathing on the first two reps was absolutely rotten and while these were tough going, I am pretty sure that I would have been able to finish the session in full health. I made the call then to do just one more and of course, wouldn't you know, I had settled in to this one and felt a lot more comfortable. However, I decided to be sensible and leave it at that. The fourth member of our group made the same call half way through the next rep for similar reasons.

    It nearly killed me (ok, that's a slight exaggeration), I was so tempted to jump back in for the last rep but glad I didn't as my chest is definitely feeling a bit more raspy and rough after the session. Back to the drawing board and no fast stuff for the next few days, coach's orders.
    It's not a new virus, just the old one taking aaaages to go but I suppose I'll be handing over €55 to the GP for peace of mind sometime this week. I have a couple of other (minor) things I've been saving up for such a visit so I'll be going in to her with my list ;):D

    Great to be back on the track, I won't forget the feeling those first few strides gave me in a hurry :)


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  • #487
    annapr
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    Great discussion and insights, Tunguska and all. These insights from Tunguska have been helpful to a lot of us, I think.


  • #488
    annapr
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    You made the right call, DG, hope you shake it off soon.

    Impressive return!!! :)


  • #489
    Dubgal72
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    annapr wrote: »
    You made the right call, DG, hope you shake it off soon.

    Impressive return!!! :)

    Haha thanks Anna, I was a bit miserable cos I had to cut the session short etc. I wasn't looking at it that way so thank you! :)


  • #490
    aquinn
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    I hope you are feeling better and don't forget the list for the GP. Mine loves when I rock up with mine.

    Very important question, I can't find your flapjack recipe. Was convinced you posted it somewhere here but can't locate.


  • #491
    annapr
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    aquinn wrote: »
    I hope you are feeling better and don't forget the list for the GP. Mine loves when I rock up with mine.

    Very important question, I can't find your flapjack recipe. Was convinced you posted it somewhere here but can't locate.

    Hah, I'm told it's on the Dubgal in the spotlight thread.


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  • #492
    Murph_D
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    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94616939&postcount=88


  • #493
    Dubgal72
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    aquinn wrote: »
    I hope you are feeling better and don't forget the list for the GP. Mine loves when I rock up with mine.

    Very important question, I can't find your flapjack recipe. Was convinced you posted it somewhere here but can't locate.
    annapr wrote: »
    Hah, I'm told it's on the Dubgal in the spotlight thread.
    Murph_D wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94616939&postcount=88
    Aaaaah that's where it got to! I saw your post earlier A and had a quick scan through both the above culprits logs ;) convinced it was in one or the other. The 'search thread' tool threw up nothing....nothing! (Keywords 'flapjack', 'flap jacks', 'guardian' and... 'Kill you' :D ) Aw no, hope you haven't followed the link A, cos now I'll have to put you on my hit list too :(
    I did anticipate forgetting my list for GP (appt Fri and this time I think it's an antibiotic job) so have put the list onto my phone. Now I just have to remember how to access the list on my smart :rolleyes: phone...


    May as we'll update my log today while I'm here:
    Wednesday whatever March
    Running nada
    Core some, go me :)

    Ps any suggestions for my list while I'm in there?!


  • #494
    annapr
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    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Aaaaah that's where it got to! I saw your post earlier A and had a quick scan through both the above culprits logs ;) convinced it was in one or the other. The 'search thread' tool threw up nothing....nothing! (Keywords 'flapjack', 'flap jacks', 'guardian' and... 'Kill you' :D ) Aw no, hope you haven't followed the link A, cos now I'll have to put you on my hit list too :(
    I did anticipate forgetting my list for GP (appt Fri and this time I think it's an antibiotic job) so have put the list onto my phone. Now I just have to remember how to access the list on my smart :rolleyes: phone...


    May as we'll update my log today while I'm here:
    Wednesday whatever March
    Running nada
    Core some, go me :)

    Ps any suggestions for my list while I'm in there?!

    ...maybe some sedatives to calm you down if you can't run... ?

    seriously, sucks being sick.. hope you are recovered in time for our Howth trail run next week... because I know that's your highest priority... and it looks like everyone will be bringing flapjacks... :D


  • #495
    Dubgal72
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    annapr wrote: »
    ...maybe some sedatives to calm you down if you can't run... ?

    seriously, sucks being sick.. hope you are recovered in time for our Howth trail run next week... because I know that's your highest priority... and it looks like everyone will be bringing flapjacks... :D

    Haha, excellent idea! Why hadn't I thought of that?! I am seriously pi$$ed off (mostly with myself, I really had been patting myself on the back for being so sensible :o ) but sure what can ye do? If it's an antibiotic job, hopefully that will knock it on the head, full stop. I see you're wheezing a bit yourself. Want me to order anything for you while I'm in there?!


  • #496
    Bungy Girl
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    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    any suggestions for my list while I'm in there?!

    So sorry you're poorly Dubgal. Hope the doc sorts you out and has you back in action soon. Such a good idea to have a list though. I always forget loads of stuff - think it's called white coat syndrome - and even at that feel guilty for taking up his valuable time that could be spent with 'real' sick people.

    Hopefully see you in Howth.


  • #497
    Dubgal72
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    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    So sorry you're poorly Dubgal. Hope the doc sorts you out and has you back in action soon. Such a good idea to have a list though. I always forget loads of stuff - think it's called white coat syndrome - and even at that feel guilty for taking up his valuable time that could be spent with 'real' sick people.

    Hopefully see you in Howth.

    Thanks BG. I'll be in Howth, even if only to guide people away from the Hill of Flapjack and onto the right hill ;)


  • #498
    Dubgal72
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    Wed 25
    Plan: easy run
    Actual: rest but with core :)


    Thur 26
    Plan: park 4x1600 @6:30/10k pace
    Actual 7 miles very easy running

    Fri 27
    Plan: rec
    Actual: 3.5 miles v easy, not great but it may have been the antibiotics getting into my system (bit of cramping and nausea after the run too which put paid to my planned glass of red :( )
    No, I am not crazy running. The pa and the coach reckon easy running/no pace work will be fine. The doctor even suggested I run to Dun Laoghaire to drop off a blood sample :eek: (Shankill-Dun Laoghaire round trip...)

    Sat 28
    Plan: parkrun :(
    Actual: road and trail run. Estimated distance 9 miles

    Got up and at em bright and early to haul take myself and the sprogs to the inaugural Shanganagh Parkrun. Great day for it, even with the wind (take that with a pinch of salt, I wasn't running into it ;) )
    I dressed in my civvies just in case I was tempted...just as well cos walking over to the start it crossed my mind that sprog #1 was travelling by scooter and sprog #2 was travelling buggy style so..... Luckily I had my non-stretch skinnies on otherwise....:rolleyes:
    Great to see KC claim 1st prize (I know it's not a race...) on home turf, well done. Great turn out from our club all in all, I think 3rd lady might have been one of our stellar o/50 cat and club mates were dotted throughout the field including a few juveniles. Well done to Richard and all involved, great set up :) (yes, I promised to volunteer for future runs)
    Anyway it got me in the mood for running so when I got home I threw on the running gear. This drew a behind-the-hand-giggle from the 4yo and mad pointing at my legs to her partner-in-crime friend. To me: "we're laughing at your skin hee hee hee" To her friend "look at my mummy's skin!" Yes, it was such a gorgeous day, I got the milk bottles out (from the knees down anyway). So if ever anyone wants to spot me at a race, look for the glo-white legs :D
    The plan was to run very slowly (effort and pace) for 60 minutes: to the carpark at the base of Bray Head and then to run along the cliff walk very gently for 15 minutes out and 15 back.

    Of course it took 20 minutes to get to the cliff walk and I wasn't going to cut that bit short... :o and then I took the slightly longer/circular way home :rolleyes: making it 75 minutes in all, but overall (apart from a few stretches on the cliff walk part) all easy effort and pace, monitoring the breathing and keeping it comfortable at all times.


  • #499
    barryoneill50
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    Great to see a parkrun in Shanganagh, great spot for one, one of the faster ones I'd imagine.......


  • #500
    aquinn
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    Dubgal72 wrote:
    Of course it took 20 minutes to get to the cliff walk and I wasn't going to cut that bit short... and then I took the slightly longer/circular way home making it 75 minutes in all, but overall (apart from a few stretches on the cliff walk part) all easy effort and pace, monitoring the breathing and keeping it comfortable at all times.


    Was it not very gusty to be by a cliff today? How are you feeling? Also not sure about running on antibiotics? I hope you didn't forget the Dr list and got on well.


  • #501
    Bungy Girl
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    Great you're back on your feet so to speak. You'll be setting that parkrun course record in no time!


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  • #502
    nop98
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    Lovely run, that cliff-walk. Have walked it many times!

    You might have seen me chugging along in Shanganah, I think I finished *just* ahead of 3rd lady (I was the one with the big red face :)). Hope to see you there soon.


  • #503
    annapr
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    Well, the easy miles count too...

    ...I do like the picture of you pushing the buggy with one hand and dragging the scooter with the other in an impromptu park run :D

    Hope the antibiotics kick in and you start feeling better.


  • #504
    Dubgal72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    barryoneill50 wrote: »
    Great to see a parkrun in Shanganagh, great spot for one, one of the faster ones I'd imagine.......
    Yeah, can't wait to get my teeth into it. I'm not really sick, I just didn't want to run on such a windy day ;)
    aquinn wrote: »
    Was it not very gusty to be by a cliff today? How are you feeling? Also not sure about running on antibiotics? I hope you didn't forget the Dr list and got on well.
    Hi A, I was actually quite sheltered, only got a blast for a couple of hundred metres along the seafront on the way back. It was quite a warm wind too, I definitely wouldn't have extended it with a cold wind, that has been my downfall so far, hacking in great lungfuls of icy air while doing fast reps :o The doctor seemed quite quietly amused by my list and it didn't faze her when I double checked it before leaving. I definitely got value for money this time (I am really tempted to list them but don't think the tender-hearted and stomached non-females could bear it!) but got hit for another €50 in the chemist :(
    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Great you're back on your feet so to speak. You'll be setting that parkrun course record in no time!
    There are a couple of athletes in my club have their eye on that one BG. I'd best try get in before them so I might hold it for a week anyway :D
    nop98 wrote: »
    Lovely run, that cliff-walk. Have walked it many times!

    You might have seen me chugging along in Shanganah, I think I finished *just* ahead of 3rd lady (I was the one with the big red face :)). Hope to see you there soon.
    Aw, sorry I missed you, we'll have to try meet up at the next one. Well done, you had a good run so!
    annapr wrote: »
    Well, the easy miles count too...

    ...I do like the picture of you pushing the buggy with one hand and dragging the scooter with the other in an impromptu park run :D

    Hope the antibiotics kick in and you start feeling better.
    Yeah it's a good image alright! :D


  • #505
    Dubgal72
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    Sun 29
    Planned: 1h rec run
    Actual: 47 min (:rolleyes:)/5.25miles v v easy. Not much love for this one after 27 mins in...

    Total for week: 32
    Breakdown: 6 days running, no doubles
    Quality sessions: .5 :)
    Overall just easy aerobic miles to keep ticking over, no pace work and just a couple of basic core sessions.

    So the planned taper for next week's 10 mile has been extended a tad. Hopefully the lungs will cope with a bit of pace in a fit4life 3k on Thursday as a sharpener for next week's 10 mile.


  • #506
    annapr
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    That's good mileage for the week, all things considered. You'll be nice and fresh for the 10 mile...


  • #507
    Dubgal72
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    annapr wrote: »
    That's good mileage for the week, all things considered. You'll be nice and fresh for the 10 mile...

    Fingers crossed Anna. I am a tiny bit concerned that I will have lost a bit of sharpness but you're right, I should be looking at it like 'sharpness lost, freshness gained' :)


  • #508
    Bungy Girl
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    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    [ Hopefully the lungs will cope with a bit of pace in a fit4life 3k on Thursday as a sharpener for next week's 10 mile.

    Good luck tomorrow !! May the wind be at your back :D


  • #509
    Dubgal72
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    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Good luck tomorrow !! May the wind be at your back :D
    Thanks! And not like it was yesterday evening :eek: I got caught in that freak hail shower, ouch ouch ouch!


  • #510
    Bungy Girl
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    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Thanks! And not like it was yesterday evening :eek: I got caught in that freak hail shower, ouch ouch ouch!

    I seem to have a knack for picking the freaky weather weeks for my resting :D
    Smash it up tomorrow, we'll have the Table ready for you!


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  • #511
    Dubgal72
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    Aaaaah, no pressure then ;):D
    Yeah, it'll be sunshine and daisies for you next week, the first instalment of our Irish summer...the next and only instalment to be seen for one week in June or July :)


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