I am a victim of FGM

bodice ripper · 18-03-2015 05:15PM #1

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03/18/vaginal-piercings-classed-fgm-new-nhs-guidelines_n_6892376.html

Women in Britain with genital piercings are being classed as having suffered female genital mutilation (FGM), it has emerged.
The NHS compulsory reporting regulations are intended to protect women and girls from the sometimes fatal practice of intentionally altering or causing injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.
FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1985, though recent studies suggest some 170,000 women and girls have undergone the procedure, while the NSPCC says 70 women a month seek treatment for the crime.
But under a directive which follows the World Health Organisation's (WHO) definition of FGM, the term also applies to any women who has consented to having her clitoris or labia pierced for fashion or sexual reasons, meaning medical professionals will be obliged to record such adornments as such.

way to render the term FGM meaningless. Plus it is a bit police statey. But the UK has been getting that way for a while.

kowloon · 18-03-2015 05:20PM

Where the UK goes we have a habit of following.

bodice ripper · 18-03-2015 05:38PM

not to go tinfoil hat, but I don't like the idea of a government either using this to inflate figures to crack down on certain immigrant groups, or to compile a list of miscreants.

Augmerson · 18-03-2015 05:39PM

kowloon wrote: »

Where the UK goes we have a habit of following.

Can't wait to invade a load of countries and make colonies out of them.

Faroe Islands you are ****ed.

Generic Dreadhead · 18-03-2015 05:39PM

You are? Well Hello there Bodice Ripper

ScumLord · 18-03-2015 05:44PM

kowloon wrote: »

Where the UK goes we have a habit of following.

Guess I'll have to go get a spike put through me vag first.

One eyed Jack · 18-03-2015 05:46PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03/18/vaginal-piercings-classed-fgm-new-nhs-guidelines_n_6892376.html

way to render the term FGM meaningless. Plus it is a bit police statey. But the UK has been getting that way for a while.

Christ.

I thought the thread headline was a bit sensationalist, but upon reading the story, I really don't know what to make of such a bizarre...

Not even sure how to finish that. Speechless, speechless and utterly misguided actions by both the WHO and the NHS. There must be thousands of women in the UK alone that have their genitalia pierced (do these guidelines also mention nipple piercings?).

I'm really just not sure what the objective is here tbh.

Tombi! · 18-03-2015 06:06PM

I sort of understand why it would be considered FGM because it's well, shoving metal in that area but to actually call it that and seriously consider it, if done of your own free will is a bit... bizarre. It's like saying being tied up during sex willingly means you were raped.

One eyed Jack · 18-03-2015 06:16PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I sort of understand why it would be considered FGM because it's well, shoving metal in that area but to actually call it that and seriously consider it, if done of your own free will is a bit... bizarre. It's like saying being tied up during sex willingly means you were raped.

That's the thing I'm wondering too, is will there be a distinction made between consensual cosmetic procedures, and non-consensual and unnecessary procedures done for cultural reasons?

I read further down the article and at least one campaigner seems to be of the opinion that consensual procedures are also only the product of social pressure on women!

bodice ripper · 18-03-2015 06:17PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That's the thing I'm wondering too, is will there be a distinction made between consensual cosmetic procedures, and non-consensual and unnecessary procedures done for cultural reasons?

I read further down the article and at least one campaigner seems to be of the opinion that consensual procedures are also only the product of social pressure on women!

if you are having your labia trimmed, it probably is.

One eyed Jack · 18-03-2015 06:24PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

if you are having your labia trimmed, it probably is.

But the difference surely is that no different to piercing, such procedures are also consensual? I understand the whole idea of 'designer vaginas' and so on, but I think suggesting that women only undergo these procedures due to social pressure is massively overstating or exaggerating the effect of social pressure on women to conform to some "'ideal' for men".

bodice ripper · 18-03-2015 06:31PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

But the difference surely is that no different to piercing, such procedures are also consensual? I understand the whole idea of 'designer vaginas' and so on, but I think suggesting that women only undergo these procedures due to social pressure is massively overstating or exaggerating the effect of social pressure on women to conform to some "'ideal' for men".

Oh, I believe they should be able to do it if they choose. and I believe social pressure and men are not one and the same thing.

its is a much bigger event than piercing though. a clit hood piercing heels very quickly and can be removed with little evidence it ever happened. i pierced my own labia years ago, and there is zero sign it ever happened now.

Mesrine65 · 18-03-2015 06:36PM

I've a PA, does that make me a victim of MGM?

bodice ripper · 18-03-2015 06:38PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I've a PA, does that make me a victim of MGM?

nope, you can do what you like to little boys genitals.

the cynic in me thinks that might be because one religious group is more interesting to demonize than another in the current climate.

Thespoofer · 18-03-2015 06:42PM

Pics or gtfo

bodice ripper · 18-03-2015 06:45PM

Thespoofer wrote: »

Pics or gtfo

sorry, cash upfront like everyone else.

Rosie Rant · 18-03-2015 07:01PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

i pierced my own labia years ago, and there is zero sign it ever happened now.

Holy moly! Some woman

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bodice ripper · 18-03-2015 07:01PM

Rosie Rant wrote: »

Holy moly! Some woman .

it wasn't too bad.

libelula · 18-03-2015 07:06PM

That completely undermines a horrendous crime.

kowloon · 19-03-2015 02:13AM

ScumLord wrote: »

Guess I'll have to go get a spike put through me vag first.

Get in while you can.

JupiterKid · 19-03-2015 02:25AM

FGM is a serious issue and that OP example is not FGM.

Maximus Alexander · 19-03-2015 02:31AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I read further down the article and at least one campaigner seems to be of the opinion that consensual procedures are also only the product of social pressure on women!

The subtext here being that women are incapable of doing anything of their own free will and are just vacuous little lambs waiting to be led by 'society'.

If you follow that logic through to its conclusion, nobody does anything consensually.

jackofalltrades · 19-03-2015 03:11AM

bodice ripper wrote: »

nope, you can do what you like to little boys genitals.

the cynic in me thinks that might be because one religious group is more interesting to demonize than another in the current climate.

I think you're trying to create an anti-Islam angle where one doesn't exist.
FGM happens for both religious and cultural reasons.
And both Christians and Muslims carry out the procedure.
Regardless of the groups involved it should be stamped out.

Annasopra · 19-03-2015 07:59AM

How bizarre. How can choosing to have a piercing be fgm?

19-03-2015 09:03AM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I've a PA, does that make me a victim of MGM?

I was thinking the same thing.

19-03-2015 09:08AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

How bizarre. How can choosing to have a piercing be fgm?

Yeah, freewill and all that. Seems a bit misguided alright since one scenario is a persons choice and the other forced against their will.

mrkiscool2 · 19-03-2015 09:16AM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

I think you're trying to create an anti-Islam angle where one doesn't exist.
FGM happens for both religious and cultural reasons.
And both Christians and Muslims carry out the procedure.
Regardless of the groups involved it should be stamped out.

No, I took it that he was pointing out that it's perfectly fine to vilify Christianity in Ireland and complain about it saying abortion is bad "You can't decide what women do with their bodies!" but to even suggest male circumcision is bad and you have people coming down on you saying "But parents have a religious right!" and it's Judaism that is the culprit, not Islam

That's what I gathered from it anyway. I'm also atheist, so don't say I'm sticking up for one religion either. It's ok for men to be the victim of religion, but not females clearly.

Frank O. Pinion · 19-03-2015 10:00AM

Quick question, if a girl has done a bit of FGM to herself and has metal down there, will it hurt my fillings while eating her out, like biting down on tinfoil?

Wacker The Attacker · 19-03-2015 10:34AM

bodice ripper wrote: »

not to go tinfoil hat, but I don't like the idea of a government either using this to inflate figures to crack down on certain immigrant groups, or to compile a list of miscreants.

That's what I call "to the point".

Wacker The Attacker · 19-03-2015 10:35AM

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

Quick question, if a girl has done a bit of FGM to herself and has metal down there, will it hurt my fillings while eating her out, like biting down on tinfoil?

ATM

One eyed Jack · 19-03-2015 10:38AM

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

No, I took it that he was pointing out that it's perfectly fine to vilify Christianity in Ireland and complain about it saying abortion is bad "You can't decide what women do with their bodies!" but to even suggest male circumcision is bad and you have people coming down on you saying "But parents have a religious right!" and it's Judaism that is the culprit, not Islam

That's what I gathered from it anyway. I'm also atheist, so don't say I'm sticking up for one religion either. It's ok for men to be the victim of religion, but not females clearly.

I disagreed with it when bodice ripper said it, and I disagree with it here. Nobody is suggesting that it's ok for men to be victims of religion, but this thread is about female genital mutilation.

I think this idea of classifying voluntarily cosmetic procedures as female genital mutilation, while that's what it is, the difference is consent, and I think this idea is coming less from a religious perspective, and more from a feminist one.

Even bodice ripper herself tried to suggest that women having designer vaginas done was due to social pressure -

bodice ripper wrote: »

if you are having your labia trimmed, it probably is.

By that logic, as Maximus pointed out, you're suggesting that "women can do what I like, with their own bodies", which is weird, because that's the same social pressure you're claiming is oppressive upon women?

It's the whole "Page 3 or not Page 3" debacle among feminists again, and it seems the only thing they can agree on, is that it's men's fault, again... somehow!

Weird.

I am a victim of FGM

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