male childminder

BetterThanThou · 09-03-2015 05:20PM

100% of men are child molesters, if they're gay, that goes up to 200%, if they're foreign, it doubles again.
So, I would not leave my child with a man, especially not a gay foreign man, because then there's a 400% chance they're a child molester.

hoodwinked · 09-03-2015 05:20PM

Cormac... wrote: »

I thought we were discussing Childminders as in minding the child in their/your home, not teachers

i was, i was saying if i had to choose a child-minder all things being equal i would choose whichever person got on best with my child, the teachers were an example of my real life experience of males vs females looking after my child.

SpaceTime · 09-03-2015 05:21PM

It is worrying and very sad that a small % of the population is getting paranoid about men. Let's face it nuns often proved to be horrendous at looking after kids and some were incredibility abusive. So I don't think a person's gender has anything to do with it.

Some of my favourite teachers as a young kid were blokes and I learned a lot from them about just life in general.

I definitely remember very positive experience of being baby sat by uncles and male cousins too and hanging out doing DIY with my grand dad! Some of my first and most cherished memories with my granddad.
You need a bit of a diversity of genders and personality types to interact with as a kid. It's really important.

The last thing we need is a world where everyone's growing up terrified of men.

PandaPoo · 09-03-2015 05:22PM

There's a man working in my son's montessori, he's really great with the kids and always nice and chatty with the parents. If I had to pick any of the staff there to mind my son, it would be him.

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-03-2015 05:24PM

BetterThanThou wrote: »

100% of men are child molesters, if they're gay, that goes up to 200%, if they're foreign, it doubles again.
So, I would not leave my child with a man, especially not a gay foreign man, because then there's a 400% chance they're a child molester.

glad someone had the balls to say this

NachoBusiness · 09-03-2015 05:24PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

I would just be more comfortable with a female child minder.

Vanessa George was female.

Generic Dreadhead · 09-03-2015 05:25PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

i was, i was saying if i had to choose a child-minder all things being equal i would choose whichever person got on best with my child, the teachers were an example of my real life experience of males vs females looking after my child.

I guess the difference being that it's 1-on-1 minding not 20+ kids in class in a school where say, said teachers can't even touch the children if they fall over etc. I appreciate the example, I just don't think it's relevant here as I thought the OP was talking about 1-on-1 situations. In any other situation I don't see why being a male would be a concern, much less a problem

bodice ripper · 09-03-2015 05:27PM

I'd trust the various men in my life with a kid before I trusted some of the women.

Iron Man 2.0 · 09-03-2015 05:28PM

The course im on is all female apart from myself but in the past there were a few other males on it but they had to drop out because no where wud offer them work experience.

Lyaiera · 09-03-2015 05:28PM

I'd have no problem with it. I think what's more important is that childminders/creche staff/montessori staff get the necessary education and as a result get paid what's fitting to that. Kids develop far more before school than they do once they reach school going age. These people are crucial in so many children's development, they see them so often during crucial years in the child's growth. They should be well trained, professional and knowledgeable. And currently it's hard to get to that level of professionalism while being offered the meager wages they're on.

Seamus1964 · 09-03-2015 05:31PM

I remember that Friends episode when Ross and Rachel hired a male nanny and Ross couldn't handle having a male around the house.
It was a funny episode but did make me think that more blokes would have a problem with a male childminder than women would in general

Tombi! · 09-03-2015 05:32PM

Seamus1964 wrote: »

I remember that Friends episode when Ross and Rachel hired a male nanny and Ross couldn't handle having a male around the house.
It was a funny episode but did make me think that more blokes would have a problem with a male childminder than women would in general

It was the fact he just didn't think it was a job for a man, though. Not in a "all men are dangerous around kids". It was played for laughs and if anything, Ross looked like a worse person for it.

Iron Man 2.0 · 09-03-2015 05:36PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

It was the fact he just didn't think it was a job for a man, though. Not in a "all men are dangerous around kids". It was played for laughs and if anything, Ross looked like a worse person for it.

Exactly. I believe Ross' quote was 'It's Weird!!!'

The_Captain · 09-03-2015 05:41PM

This is one of those things where people publicly say they wouldn't mind, but in private would be quite uncomfortable leaving their children alone with a man

Iron Man 2.0 · 09-03-2015 05:42PM

1% of the Irish child care workforce are men.

09-03-2015 05:42PM

Seamus1964 wrote: »

I remember that Friends episode when Ross and Rachel hired a male nanny and Ross couldn't handle having a male around the house.
It was a funny episode but did make me think that more blokes would have a problem with a male childminder than women would in general

A great episode! Great performances from all of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hmWCH3JXqU

Egginacup · 09-03-2015 05:42PM

cena wrote: »

Would you use a male minder. Even though they have all the courses etc. Would you be put off with a male minding your kids?

Used to babysit for neighbours two sons when I was 16/17 and they were 8 and 6. Parents wanted a night out on Friday, I'd just go to their gaff and watch telly with the lads until 9:30, then send them packing, do some of my homework and then watch the box and eat crisps. They'd come home around midnight.
Good for a few quid.

Egginacup · 09-03-2015 05:54PM

spurious wrote: »

I wish more men worked in creches. I wish more men worked as primary and secondary teachers too. For any job to become seen as the preserve of one gender or another is not a good idea for society. (Oh no, shocking feminist idea!)

As long as a man had all the necessary qualifications in safety and things, I'd have no issue with him working in a creche.

In my primary school (2nd class - 6th class) there was only 1 female teacher out of 21 classes. In my secondary school there were only 3 females out of a staff of 22 teachers and one of them just taught useless shit (religion and civics) although we liked her.

Can't think of more male dominated than that.

Iron Man 2.0 · 09-03-2015 05:58PM

Egginacup wrote: »

In my primary school (2nd class - 6th class) there was only 1 female teacher out of 21 classes. In my secondary school there were only 3 females out of a staff of 22 teachers and one of them just taught useless shit (religion and civics) although we liked her.

Can't think of more male dominated than that.

That's quite irregular for primary teaching. It is female dominated.

Greenmachine · 09-03-2015 06:03PM

Egginacup wrote: »

In my primary school (2nd class - 6th class) there was only 1 female teacher out of 21 classes. In my secondary school there were only 3 females out of a staff of 22 teachers and one of them just taught useless shit (religion and civics) although we liked her.

Can't think of more male dominated than that.

You do remember, what makes one male and female. (joke)
Teaching is predominately a female profession especially at primary school level. Your school sound like the complete opposite of most peoples experiences.

Mint Aero · 09-03-2015 06:05PM

Mate of mine does that stuff. Nice chap, writes poetry too.

Teyla Emmagan · 09-03-2015 06:06PM

Male role models very important for young kids. Especially where there is no father figure at home. Too many kids are minded exclusively by women, much better to have a balance of both. Especially for boys.

ohnonotgmail · 09-03-2015 06:51PM

Egginacup wrote: »

In my primary school (2nd class - 6th class) there was only 1 female teacher out of 21 classes. In my secondary school there were only 3 females out of a staff of 22 teachers and one of them just taught useless shit (religion and civics) although we liked her.

Can't think of more male dominated than that.

irishtimes.com/news/education/the-gender-gap-in-education-at-its-widest-for-50-years-1.1771782

massively dominated by females. 86% of teachers at primary level are female according to the last count

ALiasEX · 09-03-2015 07:17PM

Egginacup wrote: »

In my primary school (2nd class - 6th class) there was only 1 female teacher out of 21 classes. In my secondary school there were only 3 females out of a staff of 22 teachers and one of them just taught useless shit (religion and civics) although we liked her.

Can't think of more male dominated than that.

In my primary school there were no male teachers and the principal was female until a male took over.

kowloon · 09-03-2015 07:34PM

BetterThanThou wrote: »

100% of men are child molesters, if they're gay, that goes up to 200%, if they're foreign, it doubles again.
So, I would not leave my child with a man, especially not a gay foreign man, because then there's a 400% chance they're a child molester.

You forgot to mention the 1.5x modifier for liberals and non-christians.

Egginacup wrote: »

In my primary school (2nd class - 6th class) there was only 1 female teacher out of 21 classes. In my secondary school there were only 3 females out of a staff of 22 teachers and one of them just taught useless shit (religion and civics) although we liked her.

Can't think of more male dominated than that.

That's unusual, none of my primary teachers were guys. Secondary was, at least for my leaving cert, 50%.

One eyed Jack · 09-03-2015 07:35PM

cena wrote: »

Would you use a male minder. Even though they have all the courses etc. Would you be put off with a male minding your kids?

Child minders are paid to provide a service, like any other career. In that respect I wouldn't have any issue with male child minders. I wouldn't particularly be bothered either way about the person's gender because in that environment it's their qualifications that matter.

In an informal environment, I think women are generally better suited than men to minding babies and young children, and as the children grow older, then they can learn from men.

Massive generalisations above, and of course it's easy point to one-off exceptions and so on, but there's not much point in arguing against thousands of years of evolution in favour of modern ideas about gender equality just for the sake of making adults feel better. It's the welfare of children that I would be more conscious of than simply "equality".

I don't think the lack of interest among men with regard to childcare careers is simply down to nonsensical fears about men being predators, etc. I think it's just not a career path that interests as many men as it does women, and in the same way - I don't think engineering is a career path that interests as many women as it does men.

I don't really think any artificial measures or incentives to redress the gender imbalances in these various career paths are ever likely to make any great inroads IMO.

Jimminy Mc Fukhead · 09-03-2015 07:37PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4vxN9vP3mg

kowloon · 09-03-2015 07:54PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don't really think any artificial measures or incentives to redress the gender imbalances in these various career paths are ever likely to make any great inroads IMO.

I seem to remember there being a documentary posted somewhere in AH where it was found that increased gender equality didn't actually lead to gender balance in many jobs. In some cases they found increased dominance of one gender in a sector. I think it was a Swedish programme.
But while preference might be responsible for guys choosing not to go into childcare, how many would go into it were it not for society's view of them doing so?

todders · 09-03-2015 08:16PM

Would be a welcome rational influence on a child

eviltwin · 09-03-2015 08:19PM

The mix of male/female teachers is about 50/50 in my son's school which is great. Its a mixed school so it should be mixed in terms of staff. Most of my daughters teachers are male as well in a mixed secondary school. Its good to see.

I wouldn't have an issue with a male childminder, I don't know if its a career that men would be going into en masse. Low pay and I imagine a bit of slagging from mates would put guys off. There isn't much support for childcare really.

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