The Bishop of Elphin

Lapin · 09-03-2015 01:44PM #1

What a fucking arsehole....:mad:

From the Indo

A Catholic Bishop has claimed that women who have abortions after being raped were likely doing so to get back at their rapist.

The Bishop of Elphin Kevin Doran liken the termination of a foetus to that of killing a terminally ill patient, adding that “to kill another human being is always sinful”.

“The child is still a human being, you don’t destroy a life in order to get back at the mother’s rapist,” he said.

Speaking to mark the first day of the Spring Meeting of the Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference, Bishop Doran told Newstalk Breakfast that it was not for him to pass judgement on those women who had travelled to the UK seeking terminations.

“It is between them and God, it isn’t a matter for public debate,” he said when questioned on whether they had committed a ‘sin’.

Nodin · 09-03-2015 01:46PM

Lapin wrote: »

What a fucking arsehole....

A Catholic Bishop has claimed that women who have abortions after being raped were likely doing so to get back at their rapist.

The Bishop of Elphin Kevin Doran liken the termination of a foetus to that of killing a terminally ill patient, adding that “to kill another human being is always sinful”.

“The child is still a human being, you don’t destroy a life in order to get back at the mother’s rapist,” he said.

Speaking to mark the first day of the Spring Meeting of the Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference, Bishop Doran told Newstalk Breakfast that it was not for him to pass judgement on those women who had travelled to the UK seeking terminations.

“It is between them and God, it isn’t a matter for public debate,” he said when questioned on whether they had committed a ‘sin’.

This is the guy who blocked a cancer drug trial in the Mater because the women would have to take contraception (before he was made a Bishop). Also writes on a regular basis for "Alive".

eviltwin · 09-03-2015 01:48PM

Fcuking arsehole is mild. What an absolute fcuktard to say that.

Matt_Trakker · 09-03-2015 01:48PM

Catholic bishop gives fundamentalist catholic opinion.
Yea, I'm in shock.

Pumpkinseeds · 09-03-2015 01:48PM

Sounds like typical Catholic church 'compassion' to me. I wonder if someone pinned him down and raped him would he forgive his rapist?

Lapin · 09-03-2015 01:54PM

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Catholic bishop gives fundamentalist catholic opinion.
Yea, I'm in shock.

Fundamentalist Catholic opinion my hole...
From Newstalk....

The Bishop of Elphin Kevin Doran has likened homosexuality to Down Syndrome, and also believes that gay parents are not parents.

It comes as the Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference meet for the first time since the date for the referendum on same-sex marriage was announced by the government.

Meanwhile the Children and Family Relationships Bill is making its way through the Oireachtas, in the expectation that it will be passed before the country goes to the polls on May 22nd.

Dr Doran had this to say when it was put to him that gay people in Ireland already have children.

"They may have children - but that's the point - people who have children are not necessarily parents," he said.

"This legislation that the government is introducing - the Children and Family Relationships Bill - seems primarily focused about making it possible for people in various different relationships to have children. It's not about ensuring that children have their parents."

I know of many Catholics who would strongly disagree with such sentiments.

Kh1993 · 09-03-2015 01:55PM

Is this the same "man" who said homosexuality is a disorder like down syndrome? Seen that being reported this morning. I'm sure there'll be a few along to defend him soon enough and muddy the waters..

keeponhurling · 09-03-2015 01:56PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Sounds like typical Catholic church 'compassion' to me. I wonder if someone pinned him down and raped him would he forgive his rapist?

Nobody is saying that would be easy, but it is the church's teaching to forgive and have compassion.

Anyways he's voicing his opinion, which might be a controversial one on boards , as mentioned above is hardly an unexpected opinion given that he's a catholic bishop.

Rape victims are of course likely to he angry at their rapist, however it isn't the child's fault.

Tabnabs · 09-03-2015 01:58PM

His appalling opinions and diatribe couldn't be of any less significance to me as a modern Irish citizen. I pay about the same amount of attention to his views as I would if any random Rabbi/monk/Imam etc. started spouting that rubbish. Time for Ireland to move on thankfully.

eviltwin · 09-03-2015 01:58PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Nobody is saying that would be easy, but it is the church's teaching to forgive and have compassion.

Anyways he's voicing his opinion, which might be a controversial one on boards , as mentioned above is hardly an unexpected opinion given that he's a catholic bishop.

Rape victims are of course likely to he angry at their rapist, however it isn't the child's fault.

First part of forgiveness is someone actually saying sorry in the first place. Most rapists don't have any remorse, why should they be forgiven by anyone least of all their victims?

K4t · 09-03-2015 02:03PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Nobody is saying that would be easy, but it is the church's teaching to forgive and have compassion.

Anyways he's voicing his opinion, which might be a controversial one on boards , as mentioned above is hardly an unexpected opinion given that he's a catholic bishop.

Rape victims are of course likely to he angry at their rapist, however it isn't the child's fault.

It's also the church's teaching to oppose abortion; I wonder would he be as quick to forgive if he was forced by law to remain pregnant for months and conceive the child. Yes he's giving his opinion, yes it is a controversial opinion, and it absolutely should be called out as callous, and constantly criticised until such beliefs die off completely.

BMJD · 09-03-2015 02:03PM

his opinion doesn't surprise me in the slightest tbh, I still cannot fathom how the hordes of brainwashed morons are still hanging around the likes of this guy playing groupie with them

K4t · 09-03-2015 02:07PM

BMJD wrote: »

his opinion doesn't surprise me in the slightest tbh, I still cannot fathom how the hordes of brainwashed morons are still hanging around the likes of this guy playing groupie with them

It's far easier to be part of the flock than to think for yourself.

Hotblack Desiato · 09-03-2015 02:10PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

His appalling opinions and diatribe couldn't be of any less significance to me as a modern Irish citizen. I pay about the same amount of attention to his views as I would if any random Rabbi/monk/Imam etc. started spouting that rubbish. Time for Ireland to move on thankfully.

That's nice. But random rabbis/monks/imams don't control 96% of primary schools and don't have huge influence over many politicians still. Like it or not this man's views and those of the (vile) organisation he represents do matter.

kylith · 09-03-2015 02:15PM

"People who have children are not necessarily parents"

What are they then? Travelling acrobats? Mice with ideas of grandeur? The Bolivian navy?

People who have had children are not necessarily parents, but those who have children can't be anything else.

ScumLord · 09-03-2015 02:22PM

“It is between them and God, it isn’t a matter for public debate,”

He says on public radio. So what he really wants, is to make stupid statements and end the conversation so no one can call him stupid.

Pumpkinseeds · 09-03-2015 02:23PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Nobody is saying that would be easy, but it is the church's teaching to forgive and have compassion.

Anyways he's voicing his opinion, which might be a controversial one on boards , as mentioned above is hardly an unexpected opinion given that he's a catholic bishop.

Rape victims are of course likely to he angry at their rapist, however it isn't the child's fault.

To say that rape victims would be likely to be angry at their rapist is a massive understatement. To suggest that a child conceived through rape isn't at fault, while accurate, is negligible when a woman is forced to give birth to it. The fact that he is a bishop means that he is in a position to influence public opinion and he should be reprimanded by the church for stating that women aborting a baby conceived through rape, do it out of spite for the rapist, it implies blame on the victim of rape and almost sympathy for the rapist whose child is aborted. His opininion is absolutely ridiculous and out of touch with reality.

Depraved · 09-03-2015 02:24PM

This isn't surprising considering that we are talking about a man who believes in, and worships an all-powerful being who allows suffering and death on a massive scale. The same being who ignored the rape and allowed it to occur in the first place.

JC01 · 09-03-2015 02:28PM

This moron is only highlighting how outdated and insignificant the church and its teachings are in this country. Let him mutter away to himself about his space dad and his fairytales all he wants. The church is dying a death and soon muppets like this won't even get the airtime they still do from certain quarters of the media.

yellowlabrador · 09-03-2015 02:29PM

This reminds me of the Dominican priest who gave us religious instruction in the 70's. told us 16 year old girls that if we survived rape it was because we hadn't fought hard enough and we secretly wanted it. NO DECENT GIRL WOULD SURVIVE RAPE. Nice isn't it?

wendell borton · 09-03-2015 02:38PM

He obviously so far up his hole with legalistic canon bull**** he's forgotten the basic principles of Christianity.

K4t · 09-03-2015 02:46PM

JC01 wrote: »

This moron is only highlighting how outdated and insignificant the church and its teachings are in this country. Let him mutter away to himself about his space dad and his fairytales all he wants. The church is dying a death and soon muppets like this won't even get the airtime they still do from certain quarters of the media.

Unfortunately, it's far better that this guy gets airtime in a majority Catholic country like Ireland. Remember, the country could just as easily be running according to his beliefs if people did not stand up to and criticise Catholic doctrine throughout history.

aidan24326 · 09-03-2015 02:48PM

Lapin wrote: »

Fundamentalist Catholic opinion my hole...
From Newstalk....

The Bishop of Elphin Kevin Doran has likened homosexuality to Down Syndrome, and also believes that gay parents are not parents.

It comes as the Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference meet for the first time since the date for the referendum on same-sex marriage was announced by the government.

Meanwhile the Children and Family Relationships Bill is making its way through the Oireachtas, in the expectation that it will be passed before the country goes to the polls on May 22nd.

Dr Doran had this to say when it was put to him that gay people in Ireland already have children.

"They may have children - but that's the point - people who have children are not necessarily parents," he said.

"This legislation that the government is introducing - the Children and Family Relationships Bill - seems primarily focused about making it possible for people in various different relationships to have children. It's not about ensuring that children have their parents."

I know of many Catholics who would strongly disagree with such sentiments.

Great how he's 'Dr Doran', like so many other bishops. It lends another undeserved layer of authority to what they say, given that a PhD in Theology has no merit whatsoever. It's on a par with Gillian McKeith and that spoof PhD she got from some dodgy internet site.

yellowlabrador wrote: »

This reminds me of the Dominican priest who gave us religious instruction in the 70's. told us 16 year old girls that if we survived rape it was because we hadn't fought hard enough and we secretly wanted it. NO DECENT GIRL WOULD SURVIVE RAPE. Nice isn't it?

So basically it would be your own fault because secretly you wanted it you filthy little slut? Is pretty much what he was saying. Nice indeed. No doubt he told himself those altar boys he was raping secretly wanted it to.

kylith · 09-03-2015 02:52PM

aidan24326 wrote: »

So basically it would be your own fault because secretly you wanted it you filthy little slut? Is pretty much what he was saying. Nice indeed. No doubt he told himself those altar boys he was raping secretly wanted it to.

That's the basic gist. It's the same mentality as that 'legitimate rape' codswallop from a couple of years ago. Women who walk down the wrong street, or wear revealing clothing, or talk to men want to have sex. They might pretend that they don't but that's only so they can lie and tarnish the good names of men, the filthy harlots.

Tabnabs · 09-03-2015 02:53PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

That's nice. But random rabbis/monks/imams don't control 96% of primary schools and don't have huge influence over many politicians still. Like it or not this man's views and those of the (vile) organisation he represents do matter.

Politicians only care about getting re-elected and public opinion. Or do you think Enda Kenny is a regular of the Pantibar?

Schools are there to educate our children. Parents are there to teach morals and life skills. My kids don't have an ounce of religious views or opinions in their heads. The catholic church is irrelevant to modern Irish society.

This individuals views and that of his employers do not matter. Let them go, stop giving them credence and oxygen to survive.

K4t · 09-03-2015 03:02PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

Politicians only care about getting re-elected and public opinion. Or do you think Enda Kenny is a regular of the Pantibar?

Schools are there to educate our children. Parents are there to teach morals and life skills. My kids don't have an ounce of religious views or opinions in their heads. The catholic church is irrelevant to modern Irish society.

This individuals views and that of his employers do not matter. Let them go, stop giving them credence and oxygen to survive.

That's similar thinking to the religious intelligentsia (scientists, mathematicians, philosophers etc.) who simply compartmentalize their religious belief with their intellectual, rational, enquiring mind, thus giving intellectual cover to the real believers. The real believers are then those you see in Ireland and elsewhere opposing things such as contraception and divorce, to same sex marriage and any leeway surrounding abortion. They lobby the government concerning laws and social policy according to their religious views, and many would support no separation of church and state! You cannot simply say that the Catholic Church is irrelevant to modern Irish society when so many of the statistics are to the contrary.

seamus · 09-03-2015 03:05PM

I want more of this guy please. Give him a nightly show on RTE.

Badly damaging the reputation of the anti-SSM side and the Catholic church at the same time. This guy is truly doing god's work.

conorh91 · 09-03-2015 03:21PM

It's not clear whether he meant "biological" parent, in which case he's obviously correct.

Some people in this thread really working themselves up, with second-hand reports of what a random Dominican purportedly said 40 years ago. The outrage train has left the station and will be stopping at all stations on the route to spitting hysteria.

By the way, the Bishop also pointed out that gay people are equal to straight people, said they were welcome in church, that being gay is not a sin, and said that he believes a pair of gay people could do a perfectly fine job raising children, but no, lets get some kerosene going on our outrage.

Anyone have any quotes from bitter, angry nuns from their childhood?

Lollipops23 · 09-03-2015 03:24PM

I read about his comments on what he deems a "real" family this morning.

As someone raised in a blended family since the age of 6, I'm hearing all the same arguments used by the anti-divorce side in 1996.

It's funny, I thought slights about not coming from a "real" family would stop once I left the playground.

PopePalpatine · 09-03-2015 03:29PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

It's funny, I thought slights about not coming from a "real" family would stop once I left the playground.

You overestimate the compassion of fundamentalist bullies.

Tarzana2 · 09-03-2015 03:33PM

kylith wrote: »

Women who walk down the wrong street, or wear revealing clothing, or talk to men want to have sex. They might pretend that they don't but that's only so they can lie and tarnish the good names of men, the filthy harlots.

And that whole thing is super insulting to men too. What, like ye're all animals who can't control yourselves in the presence of a bit of female flesh? Every man is a potential rapist apparently. Those dastardly women. And men. We might as well just destroy the human race right now.

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