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Irish examiner: abortion no longer an issue in Ireland

  • 09-03-2015 8:15am
    #1
    surpy
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    Click bait thread title...

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/03/09/fewer-restrictions/

    Irish examiner published an "article" about women's rights, then a few hours later delete the bit they wrote on irelands abortion issue.

    Did the Bishops get to them?


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  • #2
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    surpy wrote: »

    Did the Bishops get to them?



    This is 2015. Hardly. The catholic church does not have anywhere near the amount of influence it use to have.


  • #3
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    Where is the evidence that Irish women are seeking dangerous backstreet abortions?

    Also the Savita Halappanavar reference is inappropriate, because there is a question of medical negligence at issue; if there was any substantial risk to the life of Savita Halappanavar, her pregnancy should have been terminated with her consent.

    I'm not surprised it was taken down. More to do with being inaccurate than any conspiracy theory about 'the Bishops'


  • #4
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    conorh91 wrote: »
    Where is the evidence that Irish women are seeking dangerous backstreet abortions?

    Also the Savita Halappanavar reference is inappropriate, because there is a question of medical negligence at issue; if there was any substantial risk to the life of Savita Halappanavar, her pregnancy should have been terminated with her consent.

    I'm not surprised it was taken down. More to do with being inaccurate than any conspiracy theory about 'the Bishops'

    I would imagine the fact so many are buying pills online is evidence enough. It's pure luck no one has been seriously hurt that we know of.


  • #5
    hfallada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,180 ✭✭✭hfallada


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I would imagine the fact so many are buying pills online is evidence enough. It's pure luck no one has been seriously hurt that we know of.

    So true. That's why customs here are super strict on importing medicine through the post. They keep an eye out for abortions pills and find dozens of them coming in weekly. Where as you can order the pills to NI with zero issues. In other countries you take these pills with a doctor beside you. Here since abortion is illegal, you hope the tablets are save and that you dont have complications.


  • #6
    conorh91
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    I would imagine the fact so many are buying pills online is evidence enough.
    But on the other hand, we're told these pills are harmless; sure there was an 'abortion pills train' by some pro-choice activists and everything

    ROSA (which stands for Reproductive rights, against Oppression, Sexism & Austerity -- the ultimate feminism and hatred agency) was in favour of importing the illegal medications and handed it out on the streets.

    Says a lot about them if they were encouraging botched abortions.


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  • #7
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    conorh91 wrote: »
    But on the other hand, we're told these pills are harmless; sure there was an 'abortion pills train' by some pro-choice activists and everything

    ROSA (which stands for Reproductive rights, against Oppression, Sexism & Austerity -- the ultimate feminism and hatred agency) was in favour of importing the illegal medications and handed it out on the streets.

    Says a lot about them if they were encouraging botched abortions.

    Harmless if taken under the correct conditions with medical supervision and a health check. The way they are meant to be taken. Not on your own with pills you're buying on the internet and no follow up care.


  • #8
    cnocbui
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    This is 2015. Hardly. The catholic church does not have anywhere near the amount of influence it use to have.

    I imagine there are some in Ireland would put the date at closer to 1715.


  • #9
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Harmless if taken under the correct conditions with medical supervision and a health check.
    I agree, but the Examiner specifically claimed Irish women are risking their lives by seeking "dangerous backstreet abortions".

    If referring to pills, then that reference is a bit sensationalist, the pro-life crowd who are in favour of legalising the pill tell us it's safer than childbirth with 1 death per 100,000 pill-users. At least that's what they claim, maybe they're lying.


  • #10
    eviltwin
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    conorh91 wrote: »
    I agree, but the Examiner specifically claimed Irish women are risking their lives by seeking "dangerous backstreet abortions".

    If referring to pills, then that reference is a bit sensationalist, the pro-life crowd who are in favour of legalising the pill tell us it's safer than childbirth with 1 death per 100,000 pill-users. At least that's what they claim, maybe they're lying.

    Taking unknown medicine without medical advice IS dangerous. The word backstreet implies coat hangers and things like that but the implication is that women are having unsafe abortions and leaving themselves open to various health risks they wouldn't face if they could access abortion here.

    The pill IS safe, it's used regularly throughout the world where abortion is legal. It's used here in cases of miscarriage. I can't think of a single fatality. They are not lying.


  • #11
    conorh91
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    The pill IS safe
    Well if the Examiner is referring to abortion pills, then someone is wrong: either you or the Examiner.

    The examiner says women's lives are at risk and it uses the word 'dangerous'; and you use the word 'safe', while feminists have handed the pill out in the street...


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  • #12
    shruikan2553
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    conorh91 wrote: »
    Well if the Examiner is referring to abortion pills, then someone is wrong: either you or the Examiner.

    The examiner says women's lives are at risk and it uses the word 'dangerous'; and you use the word 'safe', while feminists have handed the pill out in the street...

    If you have a simple operation done in an Irish hospital you are safe. If you have it done by some guy in a dark alley in Hong Kong you wake up without several organs if you wake up at all.

    You know how you aren't supposed to take medication that wasn't prescribed to you by your doctor? Its like that. You also shouldn't by Viagra from those people who email you but vigra is safe.


  • #13
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    conorh91 wrote: »
    Well if the Examiner is referring to abortion pills, then someone is wrong: either you or the Examiner.

    The examiner says women's lives are at risk and it uses the word 'dangerous'; and you use the word 'safe', while feminists have handed the pill out in the street...

    Seeing as it was designed to be administered by trained medical staff in a clinical setting under careful monitoring it is safe when taken AS DIRECTED.

    It was never designed to be taken at home with no medical supervision, no follow up, no monitoring etc. And buying pills online is risky. You are never sure what you are taking.

    I don't know why you are finding it so hard to grasp.


  • #14
    conorh91
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    Seeing as it was designed to be administered by trained medical staff in a clinical setting under careful monitoring it is safe when taken AS DIRECTED.
    Hmmm. The World Health Organisation says it can be taken safely at home.

    Either way, it's becoming clear why the article was taken down now.

    There is no evidence of dangerous backstreet abortions risking the lives of Irish women, and the Savita Halappanavar reference is also misjudged.


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