A bit of good news! - Unemployment rate drops to 10.1%

sozbox · 04-03-2015 07:38PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

Anyone who believes this crap will believe anything, people dont realise jobridge and the rest of the bull**** schemes are included in this, its harder to find work now then ever before, my town is dieing a slow death, employment is practically zero, and thats even with an entire generation having pissed off

how do you explain the increase in income tax returns? I think it's pretty clear that employment is up, and by a lot. Unless you're arguing that there's 90,000 people on job bridge?

Lollipops23 · 04-03-2015 07:39PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

Anyone who believes this crap will believe anything, people dont realise jobridge and the rest of the bull**** schemes are included in this, its harder to find work now then ever before, my town is dieing a slow death, employment is practically zero, and thats even with an entire generation having pissed off

Where the hell do you live?

I can't speak for some of the smaller rural towns, but Dublin, Cork and Limerick were all starting to show sparks of recovery.

Smaller rural towns are always going to feel it last; believe it or not, they weren't exactly bustling metropolises during the boom either.

irishfeen · 04-03-2015 07:41PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

The reason for this mostly, are the following schemes of which folk are taken off the DSP register... and are classed as no-longer unemployed.

(1) TUS scheme 1 year forced work for your dole. Categorised as no-longer unemployed

(2) Gateway scheme 22 months forced work for dole. Categorised as no-longer unemployed

(3) JobBridge 9 months work for dole + €50. Categorised as no-longer unemployed.

(4) CE scheme 19.5 hours per week for dole. Categorised as no-longer unemployed

And many other schemes that make it look like the unemployment rate has dropped so much.

To be fair if even half get a tax-paying job from these schemes the country will be flying... you also have to remember schemes like this gets people out of the misery of unemployment - for sure it relaxes the unemployment figure but absolutely anything is better then sitting at home doing nothing!

Schemes like this mean more to people in the long term then just the €50 odd or whatever..

everdead.ie · 04-03-2015 07:47PM

There were 62 extra people in the activation programs this January compared to January 2014. of which about 40% are in education (fás counted seperately)

All the numbers on the cso website

http://cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregisterfebruary2015/#.VPdRjuFFvD8

In that time 42,000+ people have left the live register.

The numbers are going in the right direction one thing i have noticed though is a lot of part timers are now full timers.

Edit also total number in employment up.

04-03-2015 07:47PM

I work in the area of DSP as an independant advisor (without giving too much away).

There are so many people on schemes . One of my friends just finished a CE scheme today and is "promised" 6 weeks work in April but today signed back on the dole. A lot of this is massaging of figures by taking people off the live register.

Also there may be more people getting jobs but the key thing is on very very low salaries. The rate of pay is still so low and the cost of living so high that most people barely make ends meet. A huge amount of people who go back to work still qualify for FIS (family income supplemt) as their wages are so low. That says a lot.

The increase in tax returns includes everything. Property tax which has just been paid in January, VAT which increases as soon as people spend a bit more, and Stamp Duty as houses in Dublin anyway are flying off the shelves. The tax returns are bound to show an increase on what they were 3/4 years ago.

just be warned about low salaries and wages if you're returning to Ireland. Both my kids work abroad, Vancouver and London and wont be returning due to the lack of well paid jobs here, lack of housing and all the new charges and taxes in the few years since they left.

sozbox · 04-03-2015 07:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I work in the area of DSP albeit independant of them.

There are so many people on schemes . One of my friends just finished a CE scheme today and is "promised" 6 weeks work in April but today signed back on the dole. A lot of this is massaging of figures by taking people off the live register.

Also there may be more people getting jobs but the key thing is on very very low salaries. The rate of pay is still so low and the cost of living so high that most people barely make ends meet. A huge amount of people who go back to work still qualify for FIS (family income supplemt) as their wages are so low. I mean huge. That says a lot.

The increase in tax returns includes everything. Property tax which has just been paid in January, VAT which increases as soon as people spend a bit more, and Stamp Duty as houses in Dublin anyway are flying off the shelves. The returns are bound to show an increase on say 3/4 years ago.

just be warned about low salaries and wages if you're returning to Ireland. Both my kids work abroad, Vancouver and London and wont be returning due to the lack of well paid jobs, lack of choice of houses and where to live, and all the new charges and taxes in the few years since they left.

I have to stop you there now. Here's the facts:

Income tax receipts of €2.89bn were collected to end February 2015, a year-on-year increase of €183m or 6.8%. For the month of February, income tax was €91m or 7.1% above target.

Where is this extra 183million coming from in your mind? You're entitled to your own opinion not your own facts.

Bongalongherb · 04-03-2015 07:50PM

sozbox wrote: »

and the increase in income tax returns? I don't get your argument, you moan when the economy is going down the toilet, (2008-2010) and then moan when it's improving. What exactly do you want?

You are obviously missing the facts as to why the DSP are saying unemployment has dropped, and I'm giving you the information regarding why this is happening but you refuse to educate yourself and research this.

The thread title if you haven't already noticed is as follows... 'Unemployment rate drops to 10.1%'. The comments I put forward are in relation to this topic. There is no moaning going on here... just comments.

shamrock55 · 04-03-2015 07:50PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Where the hell do you live?

I can't speak for some of the smaller rural towns, but Dublin, Cork and Limerick were all starting to show sparks of recovery.

Smaller rural towns are always going to feel it last; believe it or not, they weren't exactly bustling metropolises during the boom either.

Says the lad in toronto:rolleyes:

sozbox · 04-03-2015 07:51PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

You are obviously missing the facts as to why the DSP are saying unemployment has dropped, and I'm giving you the information regarding why this is happening but you refuse to educate yourself and research this.

The thread title if you haven't already noticed is as follows... 'Unemployment rate drops to 10.1%'. The comments I put forward are in relation to this topic. There is no moaning going on here... just comments.

Here's the facts:
Income tax receipts of €2.89bn were collected to end February 2015, a year-on-year increase of €183m or 6.8%. For the month of February, income tax was €91m or 7.1% above target.

Where is this money coming from so?

Lollipops23 · 04-03-2015 07:53PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

Says the lad in toronto:rolleyes:

Says the Lady who went for a year (for experience rather than need) and is coming back in a few months.

But because I'm doing a year abroad, I don't get to have an opinion apparently. Despite working in Ireland and paying taxes for over 10 years :rolleyes:

_Kaiser_ · 04-03-2015 07:55PM

Don't buy it.. as pointed out above there's plenty of ways to massage the figures - but we'll be inundated with all this "good news" for the next few months combined with a "giveaway" budget in October to soften up the electorate to the notion of re-electing the current shower in 2016 (expect the GE to be called after the 1916 celebrations when the public will be goofy with patriotic feel-good nonsense).

FF are bad enough, but I'd rather them then Kenny/Burton's bunch who have guillotined legislation without debate and used the whip system to limit our ability to be represented in our national parliament, proven themselves to be just as competent in the cronyism/corruption stakes, and really have done nothing except implement FF/EU policy and bleat on (4 years later!) about what they inherited at every chance.

What I really don't get is this thing about people wanting to come home to this mess after managing to escape it and presumably building lives and opportunity elsewhere!! - by all means come home for a visit (but bring your wallet!) but coming back here as the EU teeters on the edge of a decades long depression would be crazy IMO

FalconGirl · 04-03-2015 07:55PM

Traffic in the Dublin area has been phenomenally heavy the last few months since after Christmas. Having to constantly adjust leaving the house times. Haven't seen the likes of it in a long time.

nice_guy80 · 04-03-2015 07:56PM

I'd like to see figures excluding job bridge

shamrock55 · 04-03-2015 07:57PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Says the Lady who went for a year (for experience rather than need) and is coming back in a few months.

But because I'm doing a year abroad, I don't get to have an opinion apparently. Despite working in Ireland and paying taxes for over 10 years :rolleyes:

I hope you have a job to come back to, as a matter of interest what do all the irish you have met in toronto think of the booming employment back home?

sozbox · 04-03-2015 07:57PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Don't buy it.. as pointed out above there's plenty of ways to massage the figures - but we'll be inundated with all this "good news" for the next few months combined with a "giveaway" budget in October to soften up the electorate to the notion of re-electing the current shower in 2016 (expect the GE to be called after the 1916 celebrations when the public will be goofy with patriotic feel-good nonsense).

FF are bad enough, but I'd rather them then Kenny/Burton's bunch who have guillotined legislation without debate and used the whip system to limit our ability to be represented in our national parliament, proven themselves to be just as competent in the cronyism/corruption stakes, and really have done nothing except implement FF/EU policy and bleat on (4 years later!) about what they inherited at every chance.

This isn't news it's data that has been released. Facts. There's nothing for you to buy or otherwise, it's abundantly clear that employment is up. The INCOME tax returns are up, this is money taken from people's pay. How do you explain the increase in income tax receipts if not with increased employment?

_Kaiser_ · 04-03-2015 07:58PM

FalconGirl wrote: »

Traffic in the Dublin area has been phenomenally heavy the last few months since after Christmas. Having to constantly adjust leaving the house times. Haven't seen the likes of it in a long time.

That's people being forced out into commuter counties again (as happened in the Good Times) because of spiralling rents and property prices.

shamrock55 · 04-03-2015 07:58PM

FalconGirl wrote: »

Traffic in the Dublin area has been phenomenally heavy the last few months since after Christmas. Having to constantly adjust leaving the house times. Haven't seen the likes of it in a long time.

They are all going to jobridge

yipeeeee · 04-03-2015 08:00PM

Lau2976 wrote: »

Didn't fas course start this month? And a few other schemes I believe. I'd put a lot of that down to smoke and mirrors.

6,000 on jobs bridge only.

everdead.ie · 04-03-2015 08:00PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I'd like to see figures excluding job bridge

6,220 on jobBridge

yipeeeee · 04-03-2015 08:01PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I'd like to see figures excluding job bridge

6,000 on jobs bridge.

Link put up on politics yesterday.

Lollipops23 · 04-03-2015 08:02PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

I hope you have a job to come back to, as a matter of interest what do all the irish you have met in toronto think of the booming employment back home?

I'm relatively confident I'll be ok when I get back.

Everyone I've met here from back home left a job of some description to come here. The only ones I've met who were coming from long term unemployment were English lads.

Most of us plan on returning at some stage, some are applying for Perm Residency because they just want to stay longer than their visas allow.

None of us feel "forced" out of the country by any means. We came here off our own bats and on our own steam.

Icepick · 04-03-2015 08:09PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

The reason for this mostly, are the following schemes of which folk are taken off the DSP register... and are classed as no-longer unemployed.

(1) TUS scheme 1 year forced work for your dole. Categorised as no-longer unemployed

(2) Gateway scheme 22 months forced work for dole. Categorised as no-longer unemployed

(3) JobBridge 9 months work for dole + €50. Categorised as no-longer unemployed.

(4) CE scheme 19.5 hours per week for dole. Categorised as no-longer unemployed

And many other schemes that make it look like the unemployment rate has dropped so much.

people working to get money and improve their chances in life
What is the world coming to!

Icepick · 04-03-2015 08:23PM

The disappointment that austerity is working is palpable ITT

PizzamanIRL · 04-03-2015 08:28PM

It's not good news to the actual 10.1% who you just told in here

irishfeen · 04-03-2015 08:29PM

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

It's not good news to the actual 10.1% who you just told in here

5% drop though is massive ... Put it this way, another 5% and we are classed as having full employment in the state.

yipeeeee · 04-03-2015 08:34PM

Can't believe people will try find negatives in 5% drop and fastest growing economy.

Us Irish Really love a good moan.

Must be deflating to the AAA crowd and their supporters the country is doing well.

BBJBIG · 04-03-2015 08:34PM

Nonsense.
The real figures are hidden by :-

1 ) emigration
2 ) people who already have degrees / diplomas staying on at college to get a higher qualification
because the labour market is so bad and offer only underemployment
3 ) scambridge cheap labour - see 2 also
4 ) those doing other various ball-scratching courses - a pure exercise in time-wasting

Nino Brown · 04-03-2015 08:37PM

Where I work we're having trouble holding on to staff, everybody is job hopping again. I have a close family member who couldn't find work for years, and recently left one job because it wasn't for them and walked into another a week later, and that was in the midlands not Dublin. There is no doubt the job market has recovered, especially for people with good qualifications. But there's also a lot of people who chose not to up-skill during the downturn, and they may struggle now. For example, where I work they will only accept Masters and PHD's for job roles where a degree used to suffice.

yipeeeee · 04-03-2015 08:40PM

BBJBIG wrote: »

Nonsense.
The real figures are hidden by :-

1 ) emigration
2 ) people who already have degrees / diplomas staying on at college to get a higher qualification
because the labour market is so bad and offer only underemployment
3 ) scambridge cheap labour - see 2 also
4 ) those doing other various ball-scratching courses - a pure exercise in time-wasting

nonsense it has been shown that 1 in 5 who emigrated were unemployed.

Jobs bridge is only 6,000.

As I said it must be painful for people who lap up the likes of Paul Murphy and Ruth.

Their running out of lies to convince the minority were some third world poverty ridden country.

TerrorFirmer · 04-03-2015 08:43PM

I love these threads. Ireland gets painted as an impoverished third world nation. Hard facts are ignored. Arguments like "well I live in ballynashruleenbegaranny and there's no jobs ergo the country is ****ed" are usually the basis of most claims that fly in the fact of said facts.

"There's less unemployment because everyone's on jobbridge" Totally untrue.

"There's only more jobs because everyone's emigrated" Totally untrue.

All these rubbish statements floating around that are entirely groundless when one looks at the figures, but this is always ignored.

I think too many people got spoiled by the Celtic Tiger and it's taken-for-granted-but-ENTIRELY-unstainable model of public expenditure.

That's why taxes go up, public services are cut. They have to balance the books. No country could sustain a society like Ireland's during the boom, it was ludicrous.

Half the people who whinge on here about services being cut and in the same thread - sometimes even thread - whinge about taxes being increased.

Where do people think the money to run the country comes from? A magic well? Of course they don't have an answer either as to how they'd fund all these services whilst somehow reducing tax as well.

No, it's just rabble rabble, government, corrupt shower, rabble rabble, country is worse than ever, rabble.

Ireland has made a remarkable recovery considering the state the country was in back in 2008. That is a fact. Things are significantly improved for the vast majority of people.

A bit of good news! - Unemployment rate drops to 10.1%

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