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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #3482
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    joe912 wrote: »
    you make a valid point if most children who are abused are abused by a family member and most abuse is carried out by men then regardless of homosexuality, stastically a hild will be 50% more likely to suffer abuse if both its mammy and daddy are men.

    We should only allow children to be raised by female strangers then?


  • #3483
    joe912
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭joe912


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    To everyone using the "wont someone please think about the children" line - ever cross your worried minds that children who are bullied because their parents are SS are bullied by children of hetero couples? Why not try to address this instead of looking at the problem from an anti-gay stance? If hetero couples didn't raise their children to be so small minded and judgmental, there wouldnt be this problem.

    the fact is children who are tall are small or who wear glasses or have read hair get abuse its unlikely that this comes from having small minded judgemental parents, children will bully people because of what they perceive to be not normal, having 2 mothers or 2 fathers isn't normal.


  • #3484
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    joe912 wrote: »
    the fact is children who are tall are small or who wear glasses or have read hair get abuse its unlikely that this comes from having small minded judgemental parents, children will bully people because of what they perceive to be not normal, having 2 mothers or 2 fathers isn't normal.

    Shouldn't the parents be teaching that everyone is different? I know I'll be teaching that there's no such thing as normal to my children.

    What if same sex couples only adopt red haired children or overly small or overly tall people if they're gonna be bullied anyway? Or if children will bully anyway, why does it matter?


  • #3485
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    joe912 wrote: »
    you make a valid point if most children who are abused are abused by a family member and most abuse is carried out by men then regardless of homosexuality, stastically a hild will be 50% more likely to suffer abuse if both its mammy and daddy are men.

    Any proof of these statitistics?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3486
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    At a rational level, this makes for a crazy distinction – it is an appeal, not against same-sex marriage, but against gay men being allowed to raise children.

    Not just gay men, but any men.

    Most children being raised by a lone male parent are probably being raised by a widower, a separated dad or a deserted dad. The 'No' side disparages all lone parents, but especially male ones.


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  • #3487
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    joe912 wrote: »
    the fact is children who are tall are small or who wear glasses or have read hair get abuse its unlikely that this comes from having small minded judgemental parents, children will bully people because of what they perceive to be not normal, having 2 mothers or 2 fathers isn't normal.

    Right ok. Foreigners are not normal. We should ban foreigners having children. People with disabilities are not normal. We should ban people with disabilities having children.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3488
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Not just gay men, but any men.

    Most children being raised by a lone male parent are probably being raised by a widower, a separated dad or a deserted dad. The 'No' side disparages all loan parents, but especially male ones.


    I know. The no sides rhetoric is very insulting to single parents.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3489
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    I know. The no sides rhetoric is very insulting to single parents.

    Certainly single parents especially but also all parents really. Parenting and familial love is all devalued in comparison to the nature of your genitals. Pretty pathetic IMHO.


  • #3490
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Right ok. Foreigners are not normal. We should ban foreigners having children. People with disabilities are not normal. We should ban people with disabilities having children.

    And those parents that are chronically naff.


  • #3491
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    joe912 wrote: »
    children will bully people because of what they perceive to be not normal, having 2 mothers or 2 fathers isn't normal.

    You've hit the nail on the head. Kids will always find something to bully others over, so it's silly to vote no to gay marriage purely because kids may get bullied over having two dads/mothers. Like you say, if it's not having two dads that the kid gets bullied over, it'd be something else like having glasses or ginger hair.
    We can't legislate for a civil society based on the insults a bunch of 8 year olds may use in yard.


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  • #3492
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    joe912 wrote: »
    you make a valid point if most children who are abused are abused by a family member and most abuse is carried out by men then regardless of homosexuality, stastically a hild will be 50% more likely to suffer abuse if both its mammy and daddy are men.


    Doesn't this rather ignore the statistic that most abusers are heterosexual married men?


  • #3493
    Dingle_berry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Dingle_berry


    Nodin wrote: »
    Doesn't this rather ignore the statistic that most abusers are heterosexual married men?

    It also ignores things like THE REFERENDUM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PARENTING - that's the family relations bill ffs!


  • #3494
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Dingle_berry wrote: »
    It also ignores things like THE REFERENDUM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PARENTING - that's the family relations bill ffs!

    I saw a comment asking why are we having a referendum if same sex couples will be able to adopt with the new legislation anyway. Lolek are successfully confusing people.


  • #3495
    joe912
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭joe912


    Nodin wrote: »
    Doesn't this rather ignore the statistic that most abusers are heterosexual married men?

    only if you ignore the fact that most men are hetrosexual.


  • #3496
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    joe912 wrote: »
    only if you ignore the fact that most men are hetrosexual.

    So what's it to do with same sex couples getting married then so?


  • #3497
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Why any gay person would want to get married in a church is beyond me?


  • #3498
    Dimithy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Dimithy


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Why any gay person would want to get married in a church is beyond me?

    Seriously?


  • #3499
    Sheldons Brain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Sheldons Brain


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    To everyone using the "wont someone please think about the children" line - ever cross your worried minds that children who are bullied because their parents are SS are bullied by children of hetero couples? Why not try to address this instead of looking at the problem from an anti-gay stance? If hetero couples didn't raise their children to be so small minded and judgmental, there wouldnt be this problem.


    Good point. Bullying is wrong, why should these children have to suffer because they are being raised by anti family people, they have enough problems.


  • #3500
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Why any gay person would want to get married in a church is beyond me?

    This has nothing to do with the church. Do you really think the state would even try or even have the slightest chance of making the catholic church recognise same sex marriage?


  • #3501
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Dimithy wrote: »
    Seriously?

    Seriously what?


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  • #3502
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Why any gay person would want to get married in a church is beyond me?

    Yes. Thats why this referendum is about CIVIL marriage in REGISTRY OFFICES.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3503
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Seriously what?

    This referendum is nothing to do with Church marriages.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3504
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Yes. Thats why this referendum is about CIVIL marriage in REGISTRY OFFICES.

    Is it?
    Thought it was about getting married in a church.


  • #3505
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Is it?
    Thought it was about getting married in a church.

    No. Nothing to do with Church Marriages. We are talking about civil marriage.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #3506
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    No. Nothing to do with Church Marriages.

    Ah right, this is what happened when you don't watch the TV or read the papers.

    And this music group ISIS, I hear they're trying to conquer Europe? :p


  • #3507
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    joe912 wrote: »
    only if you ignore the fact that most men are hetrosexual.


    I suggest you think it through again in relation to your example.


  • #3508
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Sheldons Brain wrote: »
    Good point. Bullying is wrong, why should these children have to suffer because they are being raised by anti family people, they have enough problems.

    Your username is a serious misnomer.


  • #3509
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,004 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It's a perverse angle of "will no one think of the children", protect the children from abuse by other children by voting NO in the referendum. I'd have thought a lesson on observation of rights from their heterosexual parents would have been better for the bullying children.


  • #3510
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Ah right, this is what happened when you don't watch the TV or read the papers.

    And this music group ISIS, I hear they're trying to conquer Europe? :p

    They are kind of meh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWTAkBRe6aI


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  • #3511
    joe912
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭joe912


    Nodin wrote: »
    I suggest you think it through again in relation to your example.

    I see you struggle with percentages then.


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