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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    kryogen wrote: »
    So, all players are street footballer then. Great, here I was thinking Carrick and De Gea learned to play under water.

    forget it, if you never heard the term then that's ok.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭secman


    kryogen wrote: »
    So, all players are street footballer then. Great, here I was thinking Carrick and De Gea learned to play under water.

    Google "Street footballer" , thought most footy people heard of this........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    bangkok wrote: »
    forget it, if you never heard the term then that's ok.

    You hear the term plenty, one of the many ridiculous sky buzz words that actually means **** all.

    But if you think it has some meaning, that's ok.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭secman


    kryogen wrote: »
    So, all players are street footballer then. Great, here I was thinking Carrick and De Gea learned to play under water.

    Google "Street footballer" , thought most footy people heard of this........


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Sounds like one of these bullsh*t terms we're going to start hearing constantly for the next few months until people forget about it again.

    As if a professional footballer in existence who never played on the street.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    kryogen wrote: »
    You hear the term plenty, one of the many ridiculous sky buzz words that actually means **** all.

    But if you think it has some meaning, that's ok.

    has nothing to do with sky, its a common term

    http://www.itv.com/england-football/wayne-rooney-im-still-a-footballer-from-the-streets


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    It's a term used to highlight the working class or poverished backgrounds of some players. Where they spent their days playing football on the street. There is some weird assumption that this time on the street playing ball somehow has given the players a heightened sense of awareness, mean ball control, and are "harder" cause tackles were reckless and when you fell it was on the ground.

    It's one of those myth terms that has just clung on in the world of TV punditry and commentary that is really just a weird way of describing a footballer as instinctive and reactionary.

    I grew up playing ball on the street, but also had a football brain. Two things that seemingly can never co-exist according to " the pundits".

    To me it always comes across as pandering to the working class and trying to manafacturer a rag to riches thing, as if the vast majority of people who play football, didn't first start on the street.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSKddUpb7c

    street footballer, pure instinct, pure class


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    "Street" is a synonym for "good" then. Got it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    "Street" is a synonym for "good" then. Got it.

    I think the term is used to seperate players who went into academies at a young age and were coached from like , 9 and 10 years of age and have made their way up, as opposed to the guys who just got plugged out of obscurity at 15/16.

    I know what the commentators and people mean when they say it, just doesn't make much sense


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    TheDoc wrote: »
    I think the term is used to seperate players who went into academies at a young age and were coached from like , 9 and 10 years of age and have made their way up, as opposed to the guys who just got plugged out of obscurity at 15/16.

    I know what the commentators and people mean when they say it, just doesn't make much sense

    So not people like Wayne Rooney then? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    So not people like Wayne Rooney then? :pac:

    They use it to describe him because of his attitude, his "red mist", his energy and tackling and his control and stuff.

    It's just one of those phrases that we all know what it means, but it doesn't actually make any sense. Like "philiosophy" the new buzzword I wish would go die in a fire.

    So seemingly now what we for decades called "managerial style" or I dunno, TACTICS, is now some philiosophy. I actually get the rage when people say philosophy...key target being Rodgers and this season Van Gaal.

    Well done, you like to play possesion football, so would everyone else in proffesional football. Van Gaal gets a little leeway because he is a genuine pillar of European footballing tactics, but still, it irks me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Rooney, playing on concrete and skinning his knees till the ripe old age of 9 when he joined the Everton academy as a fully formed street footballer.

    The level of drool it takes to peddle this nonsense is not to be scoffed at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭secman


    I’ve always believed myself to be from the streets in terms of football,” Rooney says. “I’ve always played on the streets with friends and still do now and again when I get time. I go and do that. That is where I learnt to play football. There was a lot of help along the way from the academy at Everton but the majority of my football was learnt on the streets.”

    quote="Maximus Alexander;94428273"]So not people like Wayne Rooney then? :pac:[/quote]

    Rooney says himself that he learned more from street football than from the academy. ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    Are all this players not in academy's from like 12?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭RichFTW


    TheDoc wrote: »
    It's a term used to highlight the working class or poverished backgrounds of some players. Where they spent their days playing football on the street. There is some weird assumption that this time on the street playing ball somehow has given the players a heightened sense of awareness, mean ball control, and are "harder" cause tackles were reckless and when you fell it was on the ground.

    It's one of those myth terms that has just clung on in the world of TV punditry and commentary that is really just a weird way of describing a footballer as instinctive and reactionary.

    I grew up playing ball on the street, but also had a football brain. Two things that seemingly can never co-exist according to " the pundits".

    To me it always comes across as pandering to the working class and trying to manafacturer a rag to riches thing, as if the vast majority of people who play football, didn't first start on the street.

    I think it does improve skills like ball control and awareness though as it's usually played in a smaller playing area where you don't get as much space to control the ball as you would on a pitch.

    Similar concept of improving skills like futsal does, which is why English clubs have been playing futsal tournaments the past few years. They are trying to improve ball control, technique, creativity etc of their academy players like the Spanish clubs have been for years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    If the English clubs wanted to improve technical ability, they would actually keep the gifted players.

    It's long being a thing that if you arn't 6ft and can run at the speed of light, your told you won't make it*


    *Obvious exaggeration, but you get my jist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Julez


    My interpretation of a street footballer is basically a player who grew up in a shíthole playing football!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭secman


    Julez wrote: »
    My interpretation of a street footballer is basically a player who grew up in a shíthole playing football!

    Exactly. ... Liverpool for example


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Julez


    secman wrote: »
    Exactly. ... Liverpool for example

    Didn't want to have to be the one to say it, lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    Yeah because people from Ireland can talk about ****holes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭Kylo Ren


    secman wrote: »
    Google "Street footballer" , thought most footy people heard of this........

    All I got from Google was a bunch of black and South American kids playing football with shit balls and tin cans in 'urban' areas.

    I also got this...

    1538945_10151959966471840_475579429_n.jpg

    A street footballer means they used this ball at one point. #JogaBonita


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Deiseboy01


    We would if you could use some words to tell us what you're talking about. I've never been to space but I know what an astronaut is.

    A natural, an instinct player. not a made player as in coached to death.

    a pibe in argentinian slang, look it up.

    Eg maradona, riquelme, messi etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭MythicalMadMan


    I think what differs street footballers from others is what they say while on the pitch.

    Its widely rumoured Rooney shouts "Hadoken" as he shoots for goal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Deiseboy01


    TheDoc wrote: »
    It's a term used to highlight the working class or poverished backgrounds of some players. Where they spent their days playing football on the street. There is some weird assumption that this time on the street playing ball somehow has given the players a heightened sense of awareness, mean ball control, and are "harder" cause tackles were reckless and when you fell it was on the ground.

    It's one of those myth terms that has just clung on in the world of TV punditry and commentary that is really just a weird way of describing a footballer as instinctive and reactionary.

    I grew up playing ball on the street, but also had a football brain. Two things that seemingly can never co-exist according to " the pundits".

    To me it always comes across as pandering to the working class and trying to manafacturer a rag to riches thing, as if the vast majority of people who play football, didn't first start on the street.

    Utterly wrong, street footballer implies many things, having a football brain being a key trait.

    Being naturally game smart enough not to require coaching


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,234 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Deiseboy01 wrote: »
    Utterly wrong, street footballer implies many things, having a football brain being a key trait.

    Being naturally game smart enough not to require coaching

    Wha


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    Street footballers will pop a cap in your dome piece if you don't pass them the ball, bitch.



    /does MC Hammer dance


    Uh oh, uh oh, uh oh, uh oh.

    Street footballer.

    :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Jaysus, there is hardly need for debate on what these "experts" mean when they use the term.

    We can all surely agree it is a dumb ass term and move on?

    I do like the MC Hammer version though


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭secman


    Anyways. ..... big game for LVG next weekend, needs to let the players loose. .... have to get a comprehensive 3 points....


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