Matic red-card

thebaz · 24-02-2015 12:47AM #1

As an everton fan, I was up for burrnley at weekend, but how was Matic expected to react to such a cowardly challenge by Barnes. In many ways think Matic restrained himself, i know how i would have re-acted.
Dyche now defending Barnes, my love for little burrnley is fading.
I rarely agree with Mourinho , but for once he is dead right.

GavRedKing · 24-02-2015 12:49AM

Ref seen it so Barnes cant get retrospective punishment, not much more to say other than I expect Matic to serve the 3 game ban hes picked up for a push.

thebaz · 24-02-2015 12:51AM

GavRedKing wrote: »

Ref seen it so Barnes cant get retrospective punishment, not much more to say other than I expect Matic to serve the 3 game ban hes picked up for a push.

lunacy , break someones leg is no problem , but raise an arm , however feebly , red card - lunacy

Panthro · 24-02-2015 12:57AM

Worst reffing I've seen in a while.
Matic was well within his right to defend himself.

Guy:Incognito · 24-02-2015 12:59AM

Panthro wrote: »

Worst reffing I've seen in a while.
Matic was well within his right to defend himself.

Running after him isn't defending yourself. Throwing a dig back in a fight would be. If he hadn't "defended himself" the whole thing was over so what was he defending himself from? Or do you think Barnes was heading off to get a weapon?

It was retaliation, that's a different thing altogether.

GavRedKing · 24-02-2015 01:01AM

I think what annoyed me more about Dyches comments is that hes said because nobody other than Matic reacted, somehow means the tackle was ok, or not as bad as it looks which is a load of bo**ocks, its a nasty Tackle end of.

TBH, I'm still stumped at how Matic hasnt snapped his leg, the flex was awful.

Shanotheslayer · 24-02-2015 01:01AM

Awful tackle and I fully understand Matic's reaction, but in the footballing law he has to serve the 3 games. It's a joke if he doesn't.

Kristopherus · 24-02-2015 01:02AM

GavRedKing wrote: »

Ref seen it so Barnes cant get retrospective punishment, not much more to say other than I expect Matic to serve the 3 game ban hes picked up for a push.

Well, Mr Atkinson must surely have to explain how, if he saw the Barnes boot on Matic's shin, he did'nt take action against him.

thebaz · 24-02-2015 01:04AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Running after him isn't defending yourself. Throwing a dig back in a fight would be. If he hadn't "defended himself" the whole thing was over so what was he defending himself from? Or do you think Barnes was heading off to get a weapon?

It was retaliation, that's a different thing altogether.

how was he supposed to re-act ??

Barnes nearly shattered his leg and ran off -

cowardly challenge , Matic was well within his rights

GavRedKing · 24-02-2015 01:04AM

Kristopherus wrote: »

Well, Mr Atkinson must surely have to explain how, if he saw the Barnes boot on Matic's shin, he did'nt take action against him.

Thats the million dollar question, how he didnt think it was a foul was beyond me.. :pac:

GavRedKing · 24-02-2015 01:05AM

Chelsea arent appealing this card as a wrongful dismissal instead theyre appealing the severity of the ban.

Shanotheslayer · 24-02-2015 01:06AM

thebaz wrote: »

how was he supposed to re-act ??

Barnes nearly shattered his leg and ran off -

cowardly challenge , Matic was well within his rights

No he wasn't. He's supposed to re-act by getting on with it and notifying the ref. I think it was an awful challenge but that doesn't give Matic the right to break the laws in football.

Turtyturd · 24-02-2015 01:07AM

Mourinho has no qualms sending his players out to 'rough up' opposition players, so it's good to see him on the other end.

The challenge was clumsy, but didn't look to have any malice in it. And Matic wasn't defending himself, he was on the receiving end of a clumsy tackle, there was no follow up coming, and it was up to the ref to deal with it. But he lost the head and assaulted Barnes, so had to go.

Shanotheslayer · 24-02-2015 01:08AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Mourinho has no qualms sending his players out to 'rough up' opposition players, so it's good to see him on the other end.

That's not roughing up that's a career ender. And it's disgusting that you think it's ''good to see''

CSF · 24-02-2015 01:10AM

Atkinson should miss some games if he did in fact see that incident and didn't send him off.

Guy:Incognito · 24-02-2015 01:10AM

thebaz wrote: »

how was he supposed to re-act ??

Barnes nearly shattered his leg and ran off -

cowardly challenge , Matic was well within his rights

So is this how all players can react to challenges then? Who gets to decide where on the scale it's ok to give someone a smack? If they keep running away can you chase them indefinitely? Is it down to how bad the tackle looks? How high on the 1-10 pain scale it is?

Or maybe we just stick to the rule that retaliating is not allowed at all.

IP freely · 24-02-2015 01:12AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Mourinho has no qualms sending his players out to 'rough up' opposition players, so it's good to see him on the other end.

The challenge was clumsy, but didn't look to have any malice in it. And Matic wasn't defending himself, he was on the receiving end of a clumsy tackle, there was no follow up coming, and it was up to the ref to deal with it. But he lost the head and assaulted Barnes, so had to go.

Nailing your flag firmly to the mast I see.

I'm dumbfounded as to how you disagree with 99% of people (including seemingly all media, players, ex players ect) see it as a clumsy challange and then going on to say Matic assaulted him.

Laughable.

sabat · 24-02-2015 01:12AM

Am I the only one who thinks it wasn't even a foul by Barnes? The first angle in the video looks pretty bad but from other views it just looks like his normal leg shape for a pass which Matic threw himself into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YolPm2FPo4w

CSF · 24-02-2015 01:13AM

sabat wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks it wasn't even a foul by Barnes? The first angle in the video looks pretty bad but from other views it just looks like his normal leg shape for a pass which Matic threw himself into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YolPm2FPo4w

I'd say you are yeah.

kryogen · 24-02-2015 01:13AM

The challenge could have seriously injured him, and his reaction is understandable, but in the laws of the game it is not excusable. Don't see the issue tbh, you retaliate you take your punishment.

Kristopherus · 24-02-2015 01:13AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Mourinho has no qualms sending his players out to 'rough up' opposition players, so it's good to see him on the other end.

The challenge was clumsy, but didn't look to have any malice in it. And Matic wasn't defending himself, he was on the receiving end of a clumsy tackle, there was no follow up coming, and it was up to the ref to deal with it. But he lost the head and assaulted Barnes, so had to go.

Rubbish, that tackle was up there with Roy Keane's attempt at destroying Alf-Inge Haaland's career:(.

extra gravy · 24-02-2015 01:13AM

While it was an awful challenge, it's hard to take José seriously considering some of the horror tackles Ramires, Mikel and Cahill have been guilty of in recent years. Football is for men he said after one particular challenge by Mikel. Guess that only applies when it's Chelsea doing the tackling.

thebaz · 24-02-2015 01:14AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

No he wasn't. He's supposed to re-act by getting on with it and notifying the ref. I think it was an awful challenge but that doesn't give Matic the right to break the laws in football.

getting on with it ??

ever been the victim of an unprovoked assault on the pitch or otherwise ??

People are human and re-act to unprovoked assaults (thankfully)

Oranage2 · 24-02-2015 01:14AM

Red for me, you can't just chase someone down and push them over from behind there would be anarchy.

Though the original tackle was awful and the player should be also punished.

NomadicGray · 24-02-2015 01:16AM

sabat wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks it wasn't even a foul by Barnes? The first angle in the video looks pretty bad but from other views it just looks like his normal leg shape for a pass which Matic threw himself into.

The contact looked rough, but considering he went for, and passed the ball, before Matic made contact with the ball, I see no problem. He has only one foot off the ground, the other doesnt come through until after he's contacted Matic, even then I think its just carried through with momentum. Unfortunate coming together, but could have been so much worse for Matic.

DVDM93 · 24-02-2015 01:17AM

"The tackle is a hard one, an aggressive one - but football is for men".

I wish I could say the same thing about this incident as Mourinho said about Mikel's horror challenge on Arteta but I can't.

The tackle on Matic was poor. I don't blame Matic for the way he reacted but it's a red card nonetheless. There's also a STRONG and EQUAL argument that Barnes leg was going in this direction after side footing it anyway.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hypocrisy-jose-mourinho-blasts-ashley-5214358

thebaz · 24-02-2015 01:17AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So is this how all players can react to challenges then? Who gets to decide where on the scale it's ok to give someone a smack? If they keep running away can you chase them indefinitely? Is it down to how bad the tackle looks? How high on the 1-10 pain scale it is?

Or maybe we just stick to the rule that retaliating is not allowed at all.

so if someone head-butts you in the face - you are not meant to react - nonsense

Shanotheslayer · 24-02-2015 01:18AM

thebaz wrote: »

getting on with it ??

ever been the victim of an unprovoked assault on the pitch or otherwise ??

People are human and re-act to unprovoked assaults (thankfully)

Yes I have, I've been kicked up and down the pitch. But I'd rather not get a red card and cost my team the game. Or if I am going to do something do it away from the ref. Matic knew it would be a straight. Had to be.

Turtyturd · 24-02-2015 01:18AM

sabat wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks it wasn't even a foul by Barnes? The first angle in the video looks pretty bad but from other views it just looks like his normal leg shape for a pass which Matic threw himself into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YolPm2FPo4w

It was a foul Imo...but not as bad as people are making out.

thebaz · 24-02-2015 01:19AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Yes I have, I've been kicked up and down the pitch. But I'd rather not get a red card and cost my team the game. Or if I am going to do something do it away from the ref. Matic knew it would be a straight. Had to be.

well i just see it as an emotional re-action , not pre-meditated by Matic

Shanotheslayer · 24-02-2015 01:19AM

thebaz wrote: »

so if someone head-butts you in the face - you are not meant to react - nonsense

I don't think you're getting this... Matic still broke the law and therefore has to be punished. I'm failing to see how you have trouble understanding this.

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