"Hunger strikers" outed as liars

joe swanson · 24-02-2015 12:55AM

Is anyone surprised by this.?

cruais · 24-02-2015 12:55AM

Taking a step back from everything for a minute.

The judicial system in this country is an utter joke.

5 people protesting and in fairness, disobeyed the law. ... however it was a minor offence and then you have people getting suspended sentences for something like this

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/tiger-kidnap-victim-who-had-stolen-500k-from-bank-gets-suspended-sentence-31014524.html

Things need to be prioritised here.

FalconGirl · 24-02-2015 12:57AM

myshirt wrote: »

As long as the national currency of this country remains the brown envelope, this type of reform can have no credibility.

The principle is right in broadening the tax base, I agree with it. But there isn't an ounce of sincerity. Not a morsel. They need to refund the monies currently paid for water through general taxation, and then ringfence any future monies collected through water charges, to be spent on water services only.

A lot of the setting up of Irish water was dominated by the banging out of deals for senior council officials in order that a smooth handover and knowledge transfer would happen.

And €80m in consultancy fees? We had a client who stuck €50m into an I.T venture and intellectual property development during the same period, now valued in excess of €1bn. That was considered only an 'acceptable' use of money by the financiers. The €80m these guys spent was just absolutely indefensible.

Who the hell do these people think they are?

An unforgivable waste while people die in our hospitals due to poor care or because an ambulance took too long to reach them due to lack of resources. Unforgivable in my book.

Supergurrier · 24-02-2015 12:59AM

efb wrote: »

They are a micro country and rely on France for defence.

They're fairly fecked so

wretcheddomain · 24-02-2015 01:05AM

I would have agreed to their initial demands and not given any food.

Maybe that'd teach future jokers a lesson.

RecordStraight · 24-02-2015 01:10AM

myshirt wrote: »

And €80m in consultancy fees? We had a client who stuck €50m into an I.T venture and intellectual property development during the same period, now valued in excess of €1bn.

Comparing a well-funded tech start-up with a water utility.

Apples and oranges?

SpaceSasqwatch · 24-02-2015 01:11AM

Tbh those 5 represent everything thats wrong with the anti-water side.They were'nt protesting peacefully and they got their come-uppance.

Have no problem with people shouting chants or indeed protesting but the abuse the small subset gave the guards and joe soaps installing the meters aint right.

Having said that i loved their videos of them abusing guards for 10 minutes and eventually the guards just pushing them away and the knackers claiming assualt.Comedy gold.Anywhere else in europe they would of got manners slapped into them by batons.

dxhound2005 · 24-02-2015 01:11AM

Are the CANDLE VIGILS still on? I didn't see anyone doing a candle vigil on my street.

http://www.newstalk.com/reader/47.301/41867/0/

We ask that there be daily protests at shopping centers connected to main roads and to keep our stories highlighted. We ask that the politicians (All TD's FG LB FF) are made to pay for these decisions and for people to hold SILENT PEACEFUL CANDLE VIGILS outside their houses.

RecordStraight · 24-02-2015 01:11AM

vicwatson wrote: »

Irish Times as bad as Indo

Ah here.

homerjay2005 · 24-02-2015 01:15AM

Toots wrote: »

Oh ffs!!

so he cant afford to pay water charges,but can afford to take time off work to protest, break the law and then spent it in Lanzarote??

i dont like the phrases "only in Ireland/typical Irish" but they are both relevent here.

SweetChaos · 24-02-2015 01:23AM

What do we want burgers and chips , when do we want them now

I never took that parasite seriously as it was they are like a kid sulking when they dont get their own way , refusing to eat didnt work whats next hold their breath till they pass out? stamp their feet?

Stupid attention seekers

NIMAN · 24-02-2015 01:29AM

I think that the protestors have got so involved with water now that they are afraid to quit, even though they are protesting about something that is going to cost many folk less than €150 annually, yet they are not protesting about the USC which is costing people hundreds/thousands annually, or other taxes which are a lot more.

hank scorpio89 · 24-02-2015 01:35AM

well they didnt last too long now did they ..martyrs indeed ..pointless anyhow

tomwaterford · 24-02-2015 08:41AM

NIMAN wrote: »

I think that the protestors have got so involved with water now that they are afraid to quit, even though they are protesting about something that is going to cost many folk less than €150 annually, yet they are not protesting about the USC which is costing people hundreds/thousands annually, or other taxes which are a lot more.

Do you in all honesty think it'll stay that low???

It is pointless that low as Irish water won't be self funding at that price.....it is beyond obvious that it will be increased significantly

*i have no reason to care either way....we've our own well here

Tony EH · 24-02-2015 09:00AM

NIMAN wrote: »

I think that the protestors have got so involved with water now that they are afraid to quit, even though they are protesting about something that is going to cost many folk less than €150 annually, yet they are not protesting about the USC which is costing people hundreds/thousands annually, or other taxes which are a lot more.

What the fück is wrong with some people on here? Really? Why does the same things KEEP having to be said over and over again?

There is NOTHING people can do about USC. It's taken directly from people. There are no options.

And IN ADDITION, the USC charge should be a wake up call to everybody regarding lies about charges. The USC was put to the people as a "necessary" and "temporary" charge and lo and behold, a couple of years later, it's bolted on and probably won't go away for a long time (if ever).

Dog of Tears · 24-02-2015 09:07AM

USC is a tax paid by working people.

The water charge is to be paid by everyone.

Small wonder that the water charge is the one being most vehemently opposed, most of the protestors have never worked a day in their lives and never intend to.

Streetwalker · 24-02-2015 09:10AM

Dog of Tears wrote: »

USC is a tax paid by working people.

The water charge is to be paid by everyone.

Small wonder that the water charge is the one being most vehemently opposed, most of the protestors have never worked a day in their lives and never intend to.

You've done a head count have you? I work a full time job and part time on Saturdays and have been at loads of protests. Scronger aren't I?

Grayson · 24-02-2015 09:11AM

Tony EH wrote: »

What the fück is wrong with some people on here? Really? Why does the same things KEEP having to be said over and over again?

There is NOTHING people can do about USC. It's taken directly from people. There are no options.

And IN ADDITION, the USC charge should be a wake up call to everybody regarding lies about charges. The USC was put to the people as a "necessary" and "temporary" charge and lo and behold, a couple of years later, it's bolted on and probably won't go away for a long time (if ever).

So your logic is that it's absolutely impossible to protest against USC because it's taken directly from wages but it's possible to protest against water charges because they're paid separately?

Is there a rule book that explains why this is so?

floggg · 24-02-2015 09:13AM

donvito99 wrote: »

They are going to wreck the legitimacy of opposing IW by protest if other protesters or politicians don't shut them up by publically disowning them.

What legitimacy?

Ghost Buster · 24-02-2015 09:16AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

We already do. I'm not paying twice simple as that.

Three times, Don't forget your motor tax

Tony EH · 24-02-2015 09:17AM

Dog of Tears wrote: »

USC is a tax paid by working people.

The water charge is to be paid by everyone.

Small wonder that the water charge is the one being most vehemently opposed, most of the protestors have never worked a day in their lives and never intend to.

Oh For fúck sake...

Ghost Buster · 24-02-2015 09:17AM

floggg wrote: »

What legitimacy?

Read a paper. Theres plenty of legit reasons.

Ghost Buster · 24-02-2015 09:19AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Oh For fúck sake...

Ive never claimed benefits. Been employed for28 years. I'm refusing to pay, I won't support cronyism, corruption, incompetence, triple taxation etc

Tony EH · 24-02-2015 09:23AM

Grayson wrote: »

So your logic is that it's absolutely impossible to protest against USC because it's taken directly from wages but it's possible to protest against water charges because they're paid separately?

Is there a rule book that explains why this is so?

No, it's possible to protest the setting up of a dreadful entity like Irish Water. A disaster from beginning to end that will end up fleecing people to the tune of god knows what if it's let.

Irish Water is the lynchpin for the protests as it's been proven time and again that its very existence is an extremely serious matter for EVERYBODY in the country, both pro and anti water charges and of whatever political persuasion one may be of.

People have seen before the negative impact that quangos have had on other areas of Irish life, like the awful HSE and they don't a repetition of the same mistakes.

The set up of this ridiculous business has been a farce from the very beginning and has be called out as such by many people regardless of where they stand politically.

Just a little Samba · 24-02-2015 09:28AM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Ive never claimed benefits. Been employed for28 years. I'm refusing to pay, I won't support cronyism, corruption, incompetence, triple taxation etc

Ditto, I've been working since I left full time education along with doing 2 post graduate courses while in employment which I funded myself.

I earn a very handsome salary and get paid to travel for my work.
I reckon I spend one third of every year on average, outside the state.
Still not a hope in hell of me paying the water changer in March, my pack went as kindling for my stove.

I pay USC, which a bollocks but I don't have much choice in the matter. I have a choice in whether I pay water rates or not. They can take it from my wages if they want but I'm not willingly giving them a bloody cent.

Axel Lamp · 24-02-2015 09:35AM

The stupid fat ****ing prick Byrne. Derek says No (but just for a while like, nothing mad long or anything dyaknowwhatImeanbud?)

G_R · 24-02-2015 09:42AM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

The stupid fat ****ing prick Byrne. Derek says No (but just for a while like, nothing mad long or anything dyaknowwhatImeanbud?)

Cool it off a bit

Grayson · 24-02-2015 09:52AM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

Ditto, I've been working since I left full time education along with doing 2 post graduate courses while in employment which I funded myself.

I earn a very handsome salary and get paid to travel for my work.
I reckon I spend one third of every year on average, outside the state.
Still not a hope in hell of me paying the water changer in March, my pack went as kindling for my stove.

I pay USC, which a bollocks but I don't have much choice in the matter. I have a choice in whether I pay water rates or not. They can take it from my wages if they want but I'm not willingly giving them a bloody cent.

You know, maybe if you'd actually had to avail of a service from the state you might feel better about paying your taxes.

Otherwise it kinda sounds like someone complaining about paying health insurance because they never got sick.

I have been on the dole in the past. I've also availed of free education. I have been working full time for the last 7 years in which time I managed to get two undergrads and a masters. I don't mind paying taxes because I know what it's like to have nothing and need these services. And I know that it's entirely possible I might need it again some day because all it takes is a stream of sh1tty events for a person to lose everything.

I think the fairest way to charge people for a service is per usage. And I think that the water system in this country needs to be renovated/overhauled. That will cost a fortune and needs money. Every other country in the OECD has similar charges.

And here's the thing. Although a lot of people were pissed off about IW most weren't pissed about the charges. Opposition to it has weakened overtime. There was one big march and since then less and less have attended. When you add that to the disgust that the average person has for the protesters you can see that the protesters aren't going to win. Calling the president a "midget parasite". Stopping a woman from seeing her daughter who was in hospital for a transplant. Biting an IW employee. Stopping traffic. These guys are absolute scum.
Now we see that some of them are on lockdown in prison for breaking a restraining order (An order that just told them not to harass workers, not an order that stops them from protesting) except they're not on lockdown. They're on hunger strike, except they're not on hunger strike.

They're a joke.

Tony EH · 24-02-2015 10:22AM

Grayson wrote: »

I think the fairest way to charge people for a service is per usage. And I think that the water system in this country needs to be renovated/overhauled. That will cost a fortune and needs money. Every other country in the OECD has similar charges.

Yeh, except this ISN'T going to be happening under the Irish Water model and people are going to be fleeced to pay for extravagant bonuses and perks for incredibly undeserving cronies like John Tierney and that's just wrong. Flat out wrong.

If it was a case whereby a simple system of metering was set up and people WERE charged only for what they used, there would be a lot less people on the marches.

But typical "rip off" Ireland kicked in and the opportunity to grab as much shillings off of people was entered into.

Grayson wrote: »

And here's the thing. Although a lot of people were pissed off about IW most weren't pissed about the charges. Opposition to it has weakened overtime. There was one big march and since then less and less have attended.

There were two very large marches at the end of last year and even the one in December was a heavy turn out considering the day that was in it and I don't believe opposition has weakened. But the real protest will be in non-payment.

Have a small (that's SMALL) number of idiots made headlines for all the wrong reasons? Yes and in some eyes it has caused damage. But they do not represent the opposition as a whole. Not by a long shot.

But people are still very much pissed off at Irish Water and what it represents.

Guy:Incognito · 24-02-2015 10:28AM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Three times, Don't forget your motor tax

If your shopping is €100 and you have €60 left from your wages, your wife gives you €20 and you take €20 form interest you got on savings, have you paid for your shopping 3 times or once?

"Hunger strikers" outed as liars

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