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Callan57 · 23-02-2015 03:19PM

Oops69 wrote: »

If we applied that logic ,we need to keep all the engineers , architects , quantity surveyors etc etc etc who have ' abandoned ' the country to earn a living wage in Australia, there can't be one law for doctors and one for other graduates just because doctors are needed more.

It costs a hell of a lot more to the taxpayer to educate a doctor

touts · 25-02-2015 10:15AM

Holy hell how many PR companies are there in the country? It seems every state agency has a different one on retainer.

Odyssey 2005 · 25-02-2015 10:32AM

touts wrote: »

Holy hell how many PR companies are there in the country? It seems every state agency has a different one on retainer.

Yep but Reilly the Unreliable will make sure that none of them represent the ciggy companies if they want to continue to work for his government :rolleyes:

P. Breathnach · 25-02-2015 10:41AM

Shane Ross presumes that the only work PR firms do is shielding organisations from public scrutiny.

touts · 25-02-2015 12:08PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Shane Ross presumes that the only work PR firms do is shielding organisations from public scrutiny.

Well I suppose he is basing that on the track record of what they actually do rather than the spin they put on their company website.

P. Breathnach · 25-02-2015 12:23PM

touts wrote: »

Well I suppose he is basing that on the track record of what they actually do rather than the spin they put on their company website.

No. It's simply another manifestation of his professional outrage.

And given the proclivity of organs like The Independent to have a go at them, there is also some justification for state agencies engaging professionals to help them counter dodgy or unduly aggressive journalism. Ross is like an attacking footballer who complains that the other side has a goalkeeper.

Bits_n_Bobs · 25-02-2015 12:24PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Shane Ross presumes that the only work PR firms do is shielding organisations from public scrutiny.

Presumably as a journalist and independent TD he has no experience of all the noble and heroic work carried out by the heroic PR companies such as...umm...

P. Breathnach · 25-02-2015 12:32PM

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

Presumably as a journalist and independent TD he has no experience of all the noble and heroic work carried out by the heroic PR companies such as...umm...

In neither capacity should he be considered a disinterested commentator.

lochderg · 25-02-2015 12:32PM

"Ross is like an attacking footballer who complains that the other side has a goalkeeper."quote

Ross tends to be re-active to the breathtaking cockups made by those nice men in suits-they trip themselves up without any nasty tackles from Shane Ross

Callan57 · 25-02-2015 12:39PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

No. It's simply another manifestation of his professional outrage.

And given the proclivity of organs like The Independent to have a go at them, there is also some justification for state agencies engaging professionals to help them counter dodgy or unduly aggressive journalism. Ross is like an attacking footballer who complains that the other side has a goalkeeper.

Are you channeling thee ubiquitous pun maker John Drennan

ThisRegard · 25-02-2015 12:54PM

Callan57 wrote: »

Are you channeling thee ubiquitous pun maker John Drennan

Jesus, if he is he needs to be banned from the radio forum.

P. Breathnach · 25-02-2015 12:56PM

Callan57 wrote: »

Are you channeling thee ubiquitous pun maker John Drennan

Not intentionally - but I do like good metaphors, and sometimes try to create them.

efb · 25-02-2015 12:59PM

John Drennan reminds me of Johnny Vegas crossed with d'unbelieveables

Bits_n_Bobs · 25-02-2015 01:11PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

In neither capacity should he be considered a disinterested commentator.

Agreed. Presumably in both roles he is attempting to get factual accounts rather than spin.

BarryD · 26-02-2015 11:24AM

Savy woman from Cork interviewed by Paddy O'Gorman this morning - says she 'I don't bother paying car tax, it's just a €60 on the spot fine and works out cheaper for the year'!!

Now, if we had her dealing with the ECB and IMF etc.....

Mind you, she's been jailed and had her licence taken off her for trying the stunt too long. Probably won't stop her driving though......

Harry Palmr · 26-02-2015 11:29AM

Jeffery Archers whole shtick is hilarious.

touts · 26-02-2015 11:49AM

BarryD wrote: »

Savy woman from Cork interviewed by Paddy O'Gorman this morning - says she 'I don't bother paying car tax, it's just a €60 on the spot fine and works out cheaper for the year'!!

Now, if we had her dealing with the ECB and IMF etc.....

Mind you, she's been jailed and had her licence taken off her for trying the stunt too long. Probably won't stop her driving though......

That sums up a lot of issues in this country. Most people aren't afraid of a fine but are terrified of going to prison and the damage to their reputation if they don't pay the fine. Some people however welcome a few weeks in prison and almost see it as a holiday. We need to stop jailing people for fines and start community service. Most people would be even more terrified of being seen in public doing community service while people like your one would have paid the fine if she thought she would have had to get up off her arse and do a bit of manual labour scrubbing graffiti or weeding public flower beds.

serfboard · 26-02-2015 12:43PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

there is ... some justification for state agencies engaging professionals to help them counter dodgy or unduly aggressive journalism.

My objection to (many) state agencies employing PR companies is that they are already paying press officers. Paying PR companies on top of this is doing it on the double. (Where they don't have press officers and then occassionally pay PR companies I have no issue).

BarryD · 26-02-2015 01:31PM

touts wrote: »

That sums up a lot of issues in this country. Most people aren't afraid of a fine but are terrified of going to prison and the damage to their reputation if they don't pay the fine. Some people however welcome a few weeks in prison and almost see it as a holiday. We need to stop jailing people for fines and start community service. Most people would be even more terrified of being seen in public doing community service while people like your one would have paid the fine if she thought she would have had to get up off her arse and do a bit of manual labour scrubbing graffiti or weeding public flower beds.

True, but it seemed like 'water off a duck's back' for this woman - she wasn't too worried about it one way or the other as far as you could judge from a radio interview. Moral here seems to be break the law, and simply pay the fine if caught - even if you're caught a few times, it's still cheaper.

When you think about it, that's a very similar thought process to many a big business, financial institution, builder, developer etc. Wasn't it Ben Dunne who advised people who had racked up large debts, to simply walk away and go to England to be declared bankrupt and come back to start again and run up new debts.

Callan57 · 26-02-2015 01:56PM

BarryD wrote: »

True, but it seemed like 'water off a duck's back' for this woman - she wasn't too worried about it one way or the other as far as you could judge from a radio interview. Moral here seems to be break the law, and simply pay the fine if caught - even if you're caught a few times, it's still cheaper.

When you think about it, that's a very similar thought process to many a big business, financial institution, builder, developer etc. Wasn't it Ben Dunne who advised people who had racked up large debts, to simply walk away and go to England to be declared bankrupt and come back to start again and run up new debts.

Can the guards not impound a car that is untaxed???

BarryD · 26-02-2015 02:32PM

Callan57 wrote: »

Can the guards not impound a car that is untaxed???

Maybe but how many times would you have to be caught? And if have an old banger, would you really care??

serfboard · 26-02-2015 02:42PM

BarryD wrote: »

Maybe but how many times would you have to be caught?

Given that the Traffic Corps uses ANPR, I'm surprised more people aren't caught.

BarryD · 26-02-2015 04:46PM

serfboard wrote: »

Given that the Traffic Corps uses ANPR, I'm surprised more people aren't caught.

In rural Ireland, how often do you meet a Garda car let alone a Traffic Corps Garda car that happens to be monitoring you when they pass nearby???

Odyssey 2005 · 26-02-2015 05:58PM

BarryD wrote: »

True, but it seemed like 'water off a duck's back' for this woman - she wasn't too worried about it one way or the other as far as you could judge from a radio interview. Moral here seems to be break the law, and simply pay the fine if caught - even if you're caught a few times, it's still cheaper.

When you think about it, that's a very similar thought process to many a big business, financial institution, builder, developer etc. Wasn't it Ben Dunne who advised people who had racked up large debts, to simply walk away and go to England to be declared bankrupt and come back to start again and run up new debts.

To be fair to Ben Dunnes I don't recall him telling anyone to rack up new debts when they return to Ireland.

touts · 27-02-2015 10:14AM

I really dislike the rosary clutching IONA institute but every time I hear Ivana Bacik on the radio I can't help thinking they are a necessary buffer against some of the worst excesses of the liberal left.

lochderg · 27-02-2015 10:36AM

touts wrote: »

I really dislike the rosary clutching IONA institute but every time I hear Ivana Bacik on the radio I can't help thinking they are a necessary buffer against some of the worst excesses of the liberal left.

..and they would be...?

SEPT 23 1989 · 27-02-2015 11:52AM

They are like children

pathetic

lochderg · 27-02-2015 01:17PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They are like children

pathetic

who?-the liberal left or the ones that tell fairy stories from the bible?

alaimacerc · 28-02-2015 01:46AM

touts wrote: »

I really dislike the rosary clutching IONA institute but every time I hear Ivana Bacik on the radio I can't help thinking they are a necessary buffer against some of the worst excesses of the liberal left.

Isn't "counterweight" the metaphor you're rummaging for? The Plain People (etc) are presumably the one forming the "buffer" between these two (actual and supposed) extremes.

brooke 2 · 28-02-2015 09:40AM

Just heard on Playback Sean interviewing Jeffrey Archer. Fair dues to him for
referring to Archer's less than stellar past - other interviewers always give him
a free pass on that, except for Kate Egan on Morning Edition a few months ago,
perhaps. Always sickening to see Mark Cagney almost licking Archer's boots
whenever he appears on TV3 AM.

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