Eddie Stones, Clonfert, County Galway

Faith2013 · 29-09-2013 09:16AM

noel farrell wrote: »

He was laylng on hands and praying with a young couple who were living in sin as he would see it, at a 9 day novena in bagenalstown co Carlow. He told them their sin was the the cause of their baby's illness , in public . many people walked out .who is he to judge them

Are you surprised? If people go to Faith healers should should be prepared for such responses.

indy_man · 30-09-2013 11:31PM

Sometimes bad things happen to good people to bring them closer to God.

Deuteronomy 28
58 'If you do not keep and observe all the words of this Law, which are written in this book, in the fear of this glorious and awe-inspiring name: Yahweh your God,
59 Yahweh will strike you down with monstrous plagues, you and your descendants: with plagues grievous and lasting, diseases pernicious and enduring.

John 8
31 To the Jews who believed in him Jesus said: If you make my word your home you will indeed be my disciples;
32 you will come to know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Sin will cause problems and people need to turn to God, seek forgiveness, love God and stay with God. Eddie Stone has great gifts from God and he is using them.

Doctor DooM · 01-10-2013 11:32AM

Faith2013 wrote: »

Are you surprised? If people go to Faith healers should should be prepared for such responses.

indy_man wrote: »

Sometimes bad things happen to good people to bring them closer to God.

Deuteronomy 28
58 'If you do not keep and observe all the words of this Law, which are written in this book, in the fear of this glorious and awe-inspiring name: Yahweh your God,
59 Yahweh will strike you down with monstrous plagues, you and your descendants: with plagues grievous and lasting, diseases pernicious and enduring.

John 8
31 To the Jews who believed in him Jesus said: If you make my word your home you will indeed be my disciples;
32 you will come to know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Sin will cause problems and people need to turn to God, seek forgiveness, love God and stay with God. Eddie Stone has great gifts from God and he is using them.

So, you're both fine with an innocent child being hurt by god to spite his parents?

Faith2013 · 01-10-2013 09:56PM

Doctor DooM wrote: »

So, you're both fine with an innocent child being hurt by god to spite his parents?

Karma.... Eddie Stones is not the spokesman for Catholic Church, it was his views.. All I am saying if people living in sin according to the teaching of the Catholic Church go to a Catholic Faith healer then don't expect answers that run contrary to Catholic Teaching.

I would not have said what he said to the parents, but such is life.

noel farrell · 01-10-2013 10:25PM

I think it is very dangerous thing to claim that any illness is caused by unrepented sin . as there are many faithfull children of god golng through physical and emotional illness , and indeed splritual . for them to think it is their fault . it's not what the word of god teaches me. This puts the emphasis on punishment guilt and unforgivneness the very opposite of how we are instructed to live as Christians, remember the woman at the well, and when Jesus wrote in the sand.

newmug · 04-10-2013 01:41PM

It was fairly windy up at Eddie Stone's place the other day I believe! Was there any damage done to his place?

Doc Farrell · 04-10-2013 08:40PM

Faith2013 wrote: »

Karma.... Eddie Stones is not the spokesman for Catholic Church, it was his views.. All I am saying if people living in sin according to the teaching of the Catholic Church go to a Catholic Faith healer then don't expect answers that run contrary to Catholic Teaching.

I would not have said what he said to the parents, but such is life.

Well, if he did say that a sick child is a punishment from God then he's very wrong. His boss is a Catholic and he's involved in Catholic stuff so, and I don't know if he said it, but he'd better get his theology together if he did.

John chapter 9, verse 1-3 is pretty clear that kids don't carry weird karma of their parents!

Having said that his views in this video are pretty orthodox.
http://www.icatholic.ie/videos/particles-faith-3-eddie-stone/

If he's involved in a novena he has very serious responsibilities. Maybe he didn't explain himself or maybe he just messed up.

aoife molloy · 25-07-2014 04:22PM

I go regularly to eddies and have witnessed the healings taking place and i know him to be a good man and sincere in all he does

indy_man · 27-07-2014 12:52PM

aoife molloy wrote: »

I go regularly to eddies and have witnessed the healings taking place and i know him to be a good man and sincere in all he does

I agree with all this and have been there and know someone who has been cured of breast cancer there. It also involved her returning to faith and a state of grace.

sing_dumb · 10-08-2014 04:08PM

First time I went I was sceptical too, but it was a great experience. And there were crowds there, from all over Ireland, UK & Scotland. Eddie is doing God's work, simple as, and Clonfert itself is a very spiritual place to refresh body & soul. There is NO money involved, unless you give in the Mass collection or buy a few bits in the little shop, or donate €2 for your tea & biscuits. Many ordinary people speak out about their own healing from serious illnesses & their testimony is powerful. Was there on Dec 7th last & what a day!!!! The Bishop of Amsterdam gave a talk & a slide show warning people about what we in Europe can expect & everything which has happened this year, re plane disasters, midEast wars, Ebola, etc etc has come to pass exactly as he warned. What totally scared me was his assertion that these are only the beginning, we haven't even started to experience the REAL catastrophes to come!!! Believe it or don't believe, that's your decision, but I & a large crowd of others witnessed this man forewarn us that none of us will escape the coming horrors. This man was secretary to Pope John Paul & the things he spoke of have stayed with me & made me try to live the best life I can.

indy_man · 11-08-2014 10:40PM

I agree with all you write. I believe the catastrophe has begun but only just, it will get much much worse. We can still reduce the impact by prayer and turning away from Sin and towards God, we must do this. Its not about Catholic or Protestant now, both have prophecies and prophets that speak some of the same things, we must take heed.

The Bishop Of Amsterdam is mentioned in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acu4Z_Ux-QU

sing_dumb · 02-12-2014 03:14PM

Great Healing Day, and we travelled for hours to get there, but left feeling totally renewed. But, great sermon on the use of paranormal things, ie, Oujia Boards, Tarot, Fortune Tellers, etc etc + the unknown dangers involved in these things. There is now a Xmas Game on sale, which is totally Oujia Board based, and it's selling out fast in Ireland. Co-incidentally, as the use of these things rises amongst young people, the rate of youth suicides rises accordingly. Normal people do not have the capability to protect themselves from the demonic forces that are summoned by accessing these things. Please bear this in mind and do NOT buy into these dark arts.

tfitzgerald · 07-02-2015 04:48PM

Recently I have found my faith being tested. It was recommended that I see Mr Stone. I have to say that thanks to him I now have NO faith in the Catholic churce or indeed this conman. I am trying to keep my comments polite but after what he said to my group ( people are sick because they live together and are not married. Ect. ) Mr stone was the final nail in the coffin. I will never again step inside a church. And I hope one day this man is revealed for what he is. A heartless conman

indy_man · 07-02-2015 11:27PM

tfitzgerald wrote: »

Recently I have found my faith being tested. It was recommended that I see Mr Stone. I have to say that thanks to him I now have NO faith in the Catholic churce or indeed this conman. I am trying to keep my comments polite but after what he said to my group ( people are sick because they live together and are not married. Ect. ) Mr stone was the final nail in the coffin. I will never again step inside a church. And I hope one day this man is revealed for what he is. A heartless conman

Christianity is not a la carte, because he said what you didn't want to hear you walk away from Christs message and his Church. If you don't believe there is such a thing as sin there was no point going to see Eddie Stone in the first place, even though he has helped other non believers to convert. I know people who have been cured of cancer by Eddie Stone, he doesn't pull his punches or aim to please everyone, he speaks the truth, he is a Christian.

tfitzgerald · 07-02-2015 11:37PM

indy_man wrote: »

Christianity is not a la carte, because he said what you didn't want to hear you walk away from Christs message and his Church. If you don't believe there is such a thing as sin there was no point going to see Eddie Stone in the first place, even though he has helped other non believers to convert. I know people who have been cured of cancer by Eddie Stone, he doesn't pull his punches or aim to please everyone, he speaks the truth, he is a Christian.

He speaks the truth. What a load of ****ology. He told my 19 year old daughter that her 6 month old baby died because she was not married and therefore she was living in sin. I have stood up for the church on numerous occasions. When he was told that we were church going people and went to two different prayers groups in the week he changed he's tack and said "suffer the righteous" and started speaking in tounges . if this is speaking the truth then you can keep eddie stone and God. I want no more to do with them.
Ps. I also know somebody who had cancer and went to see him. He didn't cure her she died. But he took her donations

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indy_man · 09-02-2015 12:32AM

tfitzgerald wrote: »

He speaks the truth. What a load of ****ology. He told my 19 year old daughter that her 6 month old baby died because she was not married and therefore she was living in sin. I have stood up for the church on numerous occasions. When he was told that we were church going people and went to two different prayers groups in the week he changed he's tack and said "suffer the righteous" and started speaking in tounges . if this is speaking the truth then you can keep eddie stone and God. I want no more to do with them.
Ps. I also know somebody who had cancer and went to see him. He didn't cure her she died. But he took her donations

If this is the case then I believe Eddie is being over judgmental and stepping over the line. I am also sorry to hear about your loss, only God know for sure why, not Eddie Stone. God Bless.

tfitzgerald · 09-02-2015 02:08AM

indy_man wrote: »

If this is the case then I believe Eddie is being over judgmental and stepping over the line. I am also sorry to hear about your loss, only God know for sure why, not Eddie Stone. God Bless.

I have not told one lie or exageration. I'm not sure what we were looking for off Mr stone. But I can tell you that Their was 5 of us in the car on the home. It's a over a two hour drive. We were not able to say a thing we were so shocked. All we did was listen to a nineteen year old little girl sob her heart out

Shrap · 19-02-2015 12:43AM

tfitzgerald wrote: »

I have not told one lie or exageration. I'm not sure what we were looking for off Mr stone. But I can tell you that Their was 5 of us in the car on the home. It's a over a two hour drive. We were not able to say a thing we were so shocked. All we did was listen to a nineteen year old little girl sob her heart out

I've only read about your experiences just now and I'm shocked at what was said to your child. I hope she has recovered from that awful verbal abuse, and that she knows that nobody in their right mind could judge her like that. I'm not a believer in any faith myself, but if I was, I'd be calling it diabolical treatment and evil-mindedness. The poor girl.

I hope she has a chance to talk about what she was made to feel by this charlatan with a professional counsellor, in case she has any residual feelings of self-blame around her baby's death brought on by this man.

Disgusted to hear what was done to you all and I'm sorry for her and your loss.

Shrap · 19-02-2015 01:08AM

indy_man wrote: »

Christianity is not a la carte, because he said what you didn't want to hear you walk away from Christs message and his Church. If you don't believe there is such a thing as sin there was no point going to see Eddie Stone in the first place

indy_man wrote: »

If this is the case then I believe Eddie is being over judgmental and stepping over the line. I am also sorry to hear about your loss, only God know for sure why, not Eddie Stone. God Bless.

Interesting that when you heard what this Stone (hearted) person actually said to the girl, you readily decided that pronouncing her a sinner who caused the death of her baby by being unmarried was over judgemental, and you decided that by using your humanity, not your church - you just walked away from Christ's message yourself just there (the message according to hard-line non a la carte Christians like Eddie Stone).

You talk about him having stepped over the line. What line? Where is the line drawn, and who decides where it should start and stop? Who decides what is a sin according to your god? The pope? The priests? Is Eddie Stone qualified to draw the line? Are you? Morality is a human construct, and using my human (no god necessary) morals, I think what he said to that girl was profoundly immoral. So do you, it seems.

Gunney · 20-02-2015 04:16PM

What is wrong wiht you people and this country. For all Christians, not just Catholics, sex outside marriage is immoral and a sin, and quite a serious sin at that. What is wrong with someone, particularly a Catholic saying that to another Catholic?

Shrap · 20-02-2015 04:26PM

Gunney wrote: »

What is wrong wiht you people and this country. For all Christians, not just Catholics, sex outside marriage is immoral and a sin, and quite a serious sin at that. What is wrong with someone, particularly a Catholic saying that to another Catholic?

I'm not sure that Christians realistically know what their definitions of sin are any more tbh. To me, that's a good thing, as they are free to make up their own minds based on their humanity, instead of relying on some so-called mouthpiece of god to tell them, or indeed the bible to tell them (we can all wear rayon and eat shell fish if we want to these days).

What I mean by this is that in your mind Christians believe this, but I actually don't think many modern Christians would agree with you any more. I think most modern people in the West, regardless of religion, think more in terms of morally right or wrong within their society's laws, and less in terms of sin as the bible (or other book) has it.

What is wrong with a person saying that to another person (religiously based idealism or not) is that it is patently untrue that the act of sex before marriage caused the death of a baby. Nobody in their right mind would think that it did.

Gunney · 20-02-2015 04:36PM

Shrap wrote: »

I'm not sure that Christians realistically know what their definitions of sin are any more tbh. To me, that's a good thing, as they are free to make up their own minds based on their humanity, instead of relying on some so-called mouthpiece of god to tell them, or indeed the bible to tell them (we can all wear rayon and eat shell fish if we want to these days).

Of course - there is a New Covenant - and many of the Jewish rules on food and clothing no longer apply. That said, rayon can make you sweat like a pig, isn't very fireproof and anyway cotton and silk just feel better.

Shrap wrote: »

What I mean by this is that in your mind Christians believe this, but I actually don't think many modern Christians would agree with you any more. I think most modern people in the West, regardless of religion, think more in terms of morally right or wrong within their society's laws, and less in terms of sin as the bible (or other book) has it.

If modern Christians do not belive this they they are "Christians" and not actually Christians. They are apostate, following their own paths and not Gods and if they do not return to the fold and follow the teachings of Christ they risk everlasting damnation in Hell. They should be told this too, and frequently.

Shrap wrote: »

What is wrong with a person saying that to another person (religiously based idealism or not) is that it is patently untrue that the act of sex before marriage caused the death of a baby. Nobody in their right mind would think that it did.

The child was conceived as a result of a sinful act, the sin being not married. Whether or not the child died because of that sin we cannot say but the Bible makes it clear that sin has consequences in both this life and the next. Jesus cured people by forgiving their sins so the implication from God is clear that sins can cause disease.

Shrap · 20-02-2015 04:47PM

Gunney wrote: »

The child was conceived as a result of a sinful act, the sin being not married. Whether or not the child died because of that sin we cannot say but the Bible makes it clear that sin has consequences in both this life and the next. Jesus cured people by forgiving their sins so the implication from God is clear that sins can cause disease.

Whatever about apostates (and I think you're on a siding to nowhere with thinking most people would be interested in coming "back to the fold" considering how judgemental it is in there..), most Christians and indeed most people, Christian or not, know the difference between right and wrong and also know basic biology.

We can actually say that the child did not die because of sex before marriage. We cannot say it did, as that is an entirely baseless opinion. It all comes down to common sense really. I have two children who have not died because of my unmarried status, nor do I expect them to do so. I have been having sex before marriage for the last 25 years, and I am now having sex after marriage too now that I'm separated. I haven't "sinned" because I don't believe sin exists. I have morals and I know what right and wrong is.....and I have done nothing wrong by having lots of sex, as much as possible actually. That's just fun. It's very far from wrong. I'm afraid you are mistaken.

Gunney · 20-02-2015 05:03PM

Shrap wrote: »

Whatever about apostates (and I think you're on a siding to nowhere with thinking most people would be interested in coming "back to the fold" considering how judgemental it is in there..), most Christians and indeed most people, Christian or not, know the difference between right and wrong and also know basic biology.

That is their choice but they should be fully formed before they reject God forever.

Shrap wrote: »

We can actually say that the child did not die because of sex before marriage. We cannot say it did, as that is an entirely baseless opinion. It all comes down to common sense really. I have two children who have not died because of my unmarried status, nor do I expect them to do so. I have been having sex before marriage for the last 25 years, and I am now having sex after marriage too now that I'm separated. I haven't "sinned" because I don't believe sin exists. I have morals and I know what right and wrong is.....and I have done nothing wrong by having lots of sex, as much as possible actually. That's just fun. It's very far from wrong. I'm afraid you are mistaken.

Just becasue you don't believe sin exists does not mean it does not nor is it an excuse for a particular lifestyle or make it moral or right no matter how good you think it is. Can we make anything go away by refusing to believe it exists?
Is sin not a concept all Christians should explore particularly with a view to how to avoid it given the Jesus spoke about it so much?

Shrap · 20-02-2015 05:17PM

Gunney wrote: »

Just becasue you don't believe sin exists does not mean it does not nor is it an excuse for a particular lifestyle or make it moral or right no matter how good you think it is. Can we make anything go away by refusing to believe it exists?
Is sin not a concept all Christians should explore particularly with a view to how to avoid it given the Jesus spoke about it so much?

My guess is that you can indeed make something go away by not believing in it, if the only proof of it's existence is that people believe it. If you need to have faith that a thing exists, then clearly by having no faith in it, then it doesn't exist.

I think that Christians should explore all the concepts of their religion thoroughly, in order to find out if they agree with any or all of it. I also think you'll find that the concept of sin is so out of kilter with our society's definitions of right and wrong, that most people consider it entirely irrelevant. If you decide to live your life by the standard of sin (what is the opposite of sin? Do you have a word?), that's fine, but don't be overly surprised when people who have done nothing wrong pull you up on calling them sinners. The two concepts don't meet anymore.

Gunney · 20-02-2015 05:24PM

Shrap wrote: »

My guess is that you can indeed make something go away by not believing in it, if the only proof of it's existence is that people believe it. If you need to have faith that a thing exists, then clearly by having no faith in it, then it doesn't exist.

If sin is a word for an act of evil does that mean that for you there is no such thing as evil?

Shrap wrote: »

I think that Christians should explore all the concepts of their religion thoroughly, in order to find out if they agree with any or all of it. I also think you'll find that the concept of sin is so out of kilter with our society's definitions of right and wrong, that most people consider it entirely irrelevant. If you decide to live your life by the standard of sin (what is the opposite of sin? Do you have a word?), that's fine, but don't be overly surprised when people who have done nothing wrong pull you up on calling them sinners. The two concepts don't meet anymore.

If society defines right and wrong how does one know what is right and what is wrong and can society make a wrong a right if it so wishes?

Shrap · 20-02-2015 05:55PM

Gunney wrote: »

If sin is a word for an act of evil does that mean that for you there is no such thing as evil?

The word evil does denote some kind of supernatural force being behind wrong doing, so I rather call something profoundly immoral or utterly wrong rather than evil. Most people are happy enough to use the term evil doing though - we all know that it means committing dreadful crimes.*

If society defines right and wrong how does one know what is right and what is wrong and can society make a wrong a right if it so wishes?

Of course it can make a wrong a right as society's principals and positions on what are societal norms change over time. If they hadn't changed over time, husbands would still be allowed to own their wives and have no consequences for beating them, and homosexuality would still be against the law. A million other examples that nobody would have to think too hard about, like no longer shunning single mothers for instance. It's how we have evolved so far from the stone age, isn't it?

*Edit: to qualify that - I see no reason to think that the word evil describes anything more than human wrong doing, but it can be confused with what religious people see as a malevolent power, so I try to avoid the word.

Gunney · 20-02-2015 06:08PM

Shrap wrote: »

The word evil does denote some kind of supernatural force being behind wrong doing, so I rather call something profoundly immoral or utterly wrong rather than evil. Most people are happy enough to use the term evil doing though - we all know that it means committing dreadful crimes.

Where do you get your understand of right and wrong from? Do you just follows what society tells you or do you understand right and wrong separate from society?

For example if society decided to change something you now believe to be wrong and make it right and acceptable would you accept that because society tells you to?

Shrap wrote: »

Of course it can make a wrong a right as society's principals and positions on what are societal norms change over time. If they hadn't changed over time, husbands would still be allowed to own their wives and have no consequences for beating them, and homosexuality would still be against the law. A million other examples that nobody would have to think too hard about, like no longer shunning single mothers for instance. It's how we have evolved so far from the stone age, isn't it?

I'm not sure it is correct to say that homosexuality was against the law. I think it was homosexual acts that were against the law and people were prosecuted if there was evidence they had committed unnatural acts with members of the same sex.

From a Christian perspective the fact that certain sexual acts are no longer criminalised does not make them right or moral.

Eddie Stones, Clonfert, County Galway

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