Hooligans

inforfun · 20-02-2015 11:38AM

Wouldnt surprise me if troubles in the stands get the same treatment as a streaker on the pitch.

Richard Hillman · 20-02-2015 12:23PM

anncoates wrote: »

Hasn't 'dropped'

Just away from the grounds now and more low key because of policing and cctv.

You are telling me that right now there has not been a reduction in the amount of people engaging in thuggery in and around football matches since the early 90's? really?

klose · 20-02-2015 12:55PM

Id imagine the roma "fans" will return the favour in rotterdam.

20-02-2015 01:35PM

klose wrote: »

Id imagine the roma "fans" will return the favour in rotterdam.

Yeah Roma fans are well known for it. Lazio too.

inforfun · 20-02-2015 02:06PM

2400 Roma fans next week in Rotterdam.

We'll see but i know the authorities in Rotterdam are quite capable in dealing with supporters at football matches.

uch · 20-02-2015 04:06PM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Hmm, that would make sense if the FA ran the EPL, but they don't.

So...where does that leave us.

The EPL is not the FA's brand.

Yes it is

keeponhurling · 20-02-2015 04:08PM

It is the number one headline in Dutch media at the moment ( not just sport sections) , on sites like nu.nl

It hasn't exactly passed under the radar or anything.....

batistuta9 · 20-02-2015 05:28PM

uch wrote: »

Yes it is

how is it?

CSF · 20-02-2015 05:54PM

dfx- wrote: »

Was there a particular incident that banned the away fans at Ajax/Feyenoord. It has its reputation as a troublesome fixture for a while including pre-planned riots/fights away from the grounds, so was there something that tipped it over?

Has the fact that they can't enter the ground made any difference to the pre-organised stuff away from the stadia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beverwijk

Not sure if this was the exact timing of when the rule came in but as far as I'm aware it was a massive factor.

CSF · 20-02-2015 05:57PM

inforfun wrote: »

Just like a few years ago when Nancy had a visit from Feyenoord, a lot of this is caused by the lack of organisation from the home club.
Just as Nancy, Roma was warned not to sell any tickets to Dutch people themselves but had Feyenoord regulate it.
Feyenoord has sold 5000 tickets to fans.
Reports are, there were 7000 Feyenoord "fans".
And since it is very hard to get an away ticket via Feyenoord (being vetted for the police is probably less strict) i know in which part of those 7000 the problem is.

But of course, selling few thousand tickets extra is always nice money.
That they then forget they are selling tickets to people who havent seen a stadium from the inside since the mid 90's because of stadium bans.... yeah well. At least the club has the €50 for the ticket in their pockets.
It also wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if a lot of those with a stadium ban didnt even bother going for a ticket.
It was well known there would be 1000's going to that match. no better cover than that if you are looking for trouble

But it doesnt help telling a few thousand people that they cant walk to the stadium, that they have to take buses and then dont provide buses.
Drive a few thousand people into a bottle neck, narrow street and once there is no movement whatsoever, start beating the crap out of the last people who entered that street.

Does that excuse what happened? Not at all.

But i already know what the UEFA will do. Just as in Nancy (probably just a coincidence but that is where Platini started his carreer) full blame will be put on Feyenoord because it is so easy to put down the club with a bad reputation from a "small" football country.

That the **** happened outside a stadium in a city Feyenoord has no control over... well.

Inclined to agree with this in parts. You can't be selling tickets to fans who aren't even able to buy tickets for their home games (Dutch football is very strictly regulated in terms of match tickets and if you're not a member you're going to find it very difficult to get in), and then blame the opposing club who actually take measures to keep hooligans out.

Yes its shocking that Feyenoord have that element attached to it and that measures have to be taken, and I'm certainly glad its much less prominent over here, but proper organisation on the part of the home team can go a long way towards stopping this.

citytillidie · 20-02-2015 06:18PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

how is it?

Sleeve badges might be different now for sponsorship.

But the name when started was "The FA Premier League", it broke away from the Football League which runs the Championship, League 1 and League 2.

batistuta9 · 20-02-2015 06:26PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Sleeve badges might be different now for sponsorship.

But the name when started was "The FA Premier League", it broke away from the Football League which runs the Championship, League 1 and League 2.

it's under the jurisdiction of the FA - like the football league, etc - but they (20 clubs) control the brand, marketing, even rules themselves
edit: rules, like the FFP or whatever they impose. majority of 14 to carry.
if the FA controlled it, you'd think they'd force them to be more accommodating to the NT

Whosthis · 20-02-2015 06:32PM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

it sounds ridiculous

Nothing ridiculous about it, Rupert Murdoch ploughs millions into English football to secure the broadcast rights for Sky Sports, is he then going to turn around and broadcast scenes of hooliganism on Sky News to destroy the image of what he's just spent a fortune on?

Lovely Bloke · 20-02-2015 08:12PM

Whosthis wrote: »

Nothing ridiculous about it, Rupert Murdoch ploughs millions into English football to secure the broadcast rights for Sky Sports, is he then going to turn around and broadcast scenes of hooliganism on Sky News to destroy the image of what he's just spent a fortune on?

Sky is not the only news outlet, for example, ITN/ITV have no vested interest usually, and they don't report it, neither do Ch4, and they've never been shy to do in-depth reports on all kinds of stuff and there's no doubt that if football holiganism was still so widespread they'd be all over it.

Whosthis · 20-02-2015 08:14PM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Sky is not the only news outlet, for example, ITN/ITV have no vested interest usually, and they don't report it, neither do Ch4, and they've never been shy to do in-depth reports on all kinds of stuff and there's no doubt that if football holiganism was still so widespread they'd be all over it.

The original comment that you disagreed with was regarding an agreement between The FA and Sky.

21-02-2015 04:48AM

Lukker- wrote: »

Just to back you up on this point I think he said it regards the racists on the Metro too.

2 of the guys suspended went to grammar school that costs £30k a year. Please leave your class warfare out of it.

It's vile and reeks of bigotry.

Also said it on the Landsdowne Road riots of 1995 when a few head the balls went into town to confront the English tramps causing a ruckus. Seems to be a catchphrase of his. It's very Ross O Carroll-Kelly sounding.

Wacker The Attacker · 21-02-2015 09:39AM

ricero wrote: »

Vile humans the man in that picture reeks of thuggery and poverty

How can you tell? Experience tells me that things are very rarely that straight forward.

Saipanne · 21-02-2015 09:43AM

Is this a soccer only phenomenon?

Dozen Wicked Words · 21-02-2015 09:45AM

Saipanne wrote: »

Is this a soccer only phenomenon?

No it happens in most town centres on Friday and Saturday nights.

Wacker The Attacker · 21-02-2015 09:46AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You are telling me that right now there has not been a reduction in the amount of people engaging in thuggery in and around football matches since the early 90's? really?

There's an element of truth in that. I've a season ticket at an English PL club and have had experience of several very serious incidents that went completely unreported by the mainstream media.

inforfun · 21-02-2015 09:52AM

Saipanne wrote: »

Is this a soccer only phenomenon?

Dont see much difference in hooligans at a football match and what happens most of the times when the G8 is in town somewhere.
But then it apparently serves a good cause

Beefy78 · 21-02-2015 02:00PM

Where are you guys hanging out to see hooliganism at or around every English game? In 20+ years and 400 matches across five divisions I've seen two incidences of what I'd call "hooliganism" and one of those was back in 1994.

I'm sure it exists but not to level that people would think from reading some posts on here.

Sir Gallagher · 21-02-2015 02:33PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

Where are you guys hanging out to see hooliganism at or around every English game? In 20+ years and 400 matches across five divisions I've seen two incidences of what I'd call "hooliganism" and one of those was back in 1994.

I'm sure it exists but not to level that people would think from reading some posts on here.

I think we've a few wannabe Danny Dyer's on here tbh, letting on to know about tear ups up and down every manor in England.

The secret pact between the FA and Sky also sounds absolutely barmy.

That poverty comment is just bizarre.

Carpentry · 21-02-2015 02:38PM

Gear taken of Roma fans heading for a match at Lazio... SICK

Donnielighto · 21-02-2015 03:10PM

Kammy being very good on SSN there. Just saying that he can understand people getting sketchy if something has happened with another colour in their past, but that the paris stuff was just wrong.

Donnielighto · 21-02-2015 03:12PM

Carpentry wrote: »

weapons...

Gear taken of Roma fans heading for a match at Lazio... SICK

Any arrests, cant just hope you keep catching these hoors

spiralism · 21-02-2015 05:57PM

klose wrote: »

Id imagine the roma "fans" will return the favour in rotterdam.

Potentially but at the ground away fans enter via a separate tunnel. De Kuip will be like fort knox next thursday, the cops are well used to dealing with bull**** there.. If there's trouble, it'll be in the city centre. That said, Rotterdam isn't exactly as scenic as Rome.

spiralism · 21-02-2015 06:33PM

Carpentry wrote: »

Gear taken of Roma fans heading for a match at Lazio... SICK

About 18 years ago or so, Ajax and Feyenoord hooligans met in a field next to a motorway at Beverwijk for what turned into a pitched battle. People were pulling over at the side of the road and getting stuck in. In the end there was an Ajax fan killed after his mates ran and left him to be battered with a hammer and stabbed and the cops recovered all sorts of weapons including knives, baseball bats, hammers and crowbars

There is a seriously nasty undercurrent in football over here that doesn't get mentioned. No away fans sterilises De Klassieker but it simply wasn't possible to have the fans in the same area without a ****load of trouble

Aidric · 21-02-2015 06:40PM

Gavin shels wrote: »

Happens every weekend across Europe, and in England for that matter. It's a culture that will never go away tbh.

This unfortunately. Even here in peaceful Switzerland massive security operations have to be put in place on the trains and around the stadium when Basel play either of the Zurich teams.

Jelle1880 · 21-02-2015 09:32PM

Carpentry wrote: »

Gear taken of Roma fans heading for a match at Lazio... SICK

The thing is, these police pictures are often fake or manipulated.

I saw a picture of stuff that the police supposedly confiscated from Feyenoord fans.

That stick is one of those selfie sticks you can buy at the Colloseum :pac:

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