Americans

Wompa1 · 19-02-2015 08:22PM

Trigger Happy wrote: »

The USA we see on TV tends to be new York and LA. The real america is very different to that. More religious, more conservative....

Bullsh1t! When I decided to move to Phoenix, people in Ireland started telling me about the crazy rednecks and religious right wing here. It's BS. I've been to other states in the deep South, you might find pockets of the religious right wing out in the boonies but it doesn't necessarily reflect the majority

The people who vote usually aren't representative of the majority....because, sadly, not everybody bothers to vote.

Aircraft Freak · 19-02-2015 08:23PM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Ones who like the Daily Show & The Colbert Report (ending soon ) = good Americans.

Ones who like Fox News & the NRA = Bad

Ones who like Alex Jones & the Tea Party - Ugly (well more crazy than ugly)

In fairness I hate alex jones, but as in the spirit of capitalism, the fecker has become a millionaire from a conspiracy market, he knows it, the world knows it and nutjobs pay him a subscription to hear endless rants about the CIA\ISIS\Mossad world war 3 operation with fake beheadings, then they changed to real beheadings, with Hollywood production.

The man knows how to make money.

Putin · 19-02-2015 08:27PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Americans

Is this thread about the real Americans = the various Native American Indian tribes. Or is it a about the murdering, colonial expansionists who eventually annihilated the natives who had helped to feed, cloth and shelter them through their intial years of hardship?

DarkyHughes · 19-02-2015 08:27PM

Aircraft Freak wrote: »

In fairness I hate alex jones, but as in the spirit of capitalism, the fecker has become a millionaire from a conspiracy market, he knows it, the world knows it and nutjobs pay him a subscription to hear endless rants about the CIA\ISIS\Mossad world war 3 operation with fake beheadings, then they changed to real beheadings, with Hollywood production.

The man knows how to make money.

You really think it's an act? I dunno I think he's just genuinely insane, if he's not he's an amazing actor. His BBC politic show was definitely a genuine crazy rant

Electric Sheep · 19-02-2015 08:29PM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

You really think it's an act? I dunno I think he's just genuinely insane, if he's not he's an amazing actor.

It's an act. Like Glenn Beck.

Wompa1 · 19-02-2015 08:30PM

Aircraft Freak wrote: »

In fairness I hate alex jones, but as in the spirit of capitalism, the fecker has become a millionaire from a conspiracy market, he knows it, the world knows it and nutjobs pay him a subscription to hear endless rants about the CIA\ISIS\Mossad world war 3 operation with fake beheadings, then they changed to real beheadings, with Hollywood production.

The man knows how to make money.

Ditto Fox News...they aren't a news channel, they are entertainment. My fat hippy unemployed stoner uncle from New York watches Fox News every night. His views are the complete opposite but he seems to enjoy getting angered by it..

There's a reason why MSNBC and CNN are turning into the same thing but for the left. The entertainment aspect keeps viewers.

People looking for news have long since given up on Newspapers, radio or tv. I can read PBS news, Al Jazeera news, Irish Times etc. and just read stories that interest me, without sitting through fluff....why would anyone subject themselves to getting their news from any other form of media

DarkyHughes · 19-02-2015 08:31PM

Putin wrote: »

Is this thread about the real Americans = the various Native American Indian tribes. Or is it a about the murdering, colonial expansionists who eventually annihilated the natives who had helped to feed, cloth and shelter them through their intial years of hardship?

The murdering ones.

Yeah, that's other thing America comes of as an extremely militaristic society. Their attitude to war is so casual.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 19-02-2015 08:32PM

Putin wrote: »

Is this thread about the real Americans = the various Native American Indian tribes. Or is it a about the murdering, colonial expansionists who eventually annihilated the natives who had helped to feed, cloth and shelter them through their intial years of hardship?

The latter.

bodice ripper · 19-02-2015 08:32PM

you guys do know those are basically europeans, but over there, right?

Wompa1 · 19-02-2015 08:32PM

Putin wrote: »

Is this thread about the real Americans = the various Native American Indian tribes. Or is it a about the murdering, colonial expansionists who eventually annihilated the natives who had helped to feed, cloth and shelter them through their intial years of hardship?

If you want to talk ill of Europeans, I think you better find another forum site, Mister! We hate Americans here!

Tokyo · 19-02-2015 08:34PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

you guys do know those are basically europeans, but over there, right?

Genetically, a good percentage may be, yes.

Culturally, no.

bodice ripper · 19-02-2015 08:37PM

mike_ie wrote: »

Genetically, a good percentage may be, yes.

Culturally, no.

its what happens when you take a bunch of europeans and give them lots of space and resources. so I wouldn't be getting on too much of a high horse.

Electric Sheep · 19-02-2015 08:37PM

mike_ie wrote: »

Genetically, a good percentage may be, yes.

Culturally, no.

It varies very much from region to region. There are places that stll are culturally scandinavian, italian, spanish, irish, etc. Again, probably not something most Irish would recognise.

Aircraft Freak · 19-02-2015 08:38PM

Electric Sheep wrote: »

It's an act. Like Glenn Beck.

Correct the man has made millions from conspiracy, his wife is also related to a Jewish billionaire, it does seem like his path was constructed for him.

If he was píssing the elite off, he would have been bumped long ago, not to mention he has a crew of 15 guards with him everywhere he goes, just so he can continue to lead people up the garden path, he's a terrible sham.

Tokyo · 19-02-2015 08:41PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

its what happens when you take a bunch of europeans and give them lots of space and resources. so I wouldn't be getting on too much of a high horse.

I'm baffled as to where you're getting your 'high horse' from.

Take any group of people from anywhere in the world, transplant them somewhere else and in a few generations they will have developed their own culture, or variation thereof. Nowhere has it been said that it's a bad thing.

Electric Sheep wrote: »

It varies very much from region to region. There are places that stll are culturally scandinavian, italian, spanish, irish, etc. Again, probably not something most Irish would recognise.

That's a fair point, but I'd argue that most of these people have held onto aspects of their native cultures, with the exception of the most devout. Again, not a bad thing.

bodice ripper · 19-02-2015 08:41PM

mike_ie wrote: »

I'm baffled as to where you're getting your 'high horse' from.

Take any group of people from anywhere in the world, transplant them somewhere else and in a few generations they will have developed their own culture, or variation thereof. Nowhere has it been said that it's a bad thing.

oh, I didn't mean you were on a high horse, sorry if it came across that way.

Wompa1 · 19-02-2015 08:42PM

Electric Sheep wrote: »

It varies very much from region to region. There are places that stll are culturally scandinavian, italian, spanish, irish, etc. Again, probably not something most Irish would recognise.

True dat. One interesting thing I've noticed. The most right wing people I've met in the US were the Irish. I have a black friend who has lived in Chicago, Boston, Phoenix, Tuscon, New York and Washington DC and said the most racism she experienced was in Boston from the 'Irish'

I reckon the 'Irish' Americans here from a few generations ago were raised with the strict Irish upbringing from 80+ years ago and they cling to that as their heritage, no realising that Ireland has progressed as a country and the Irish are a much, much more progressive bunch than most. I'd bet if many moved to Ireland to live, they'd become disgusted very quick, when they see we are much more liberal than they might think.

Tokyo · 19-02-2015 08:43PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

oh, I didn't mean you were on a high horse, sorry if it came across that way.

No offense taken - was just confused as to how I'd been interpreted a minute

Wompa1 · 19-02-2015 08:46PM

mike_ie wrote: »

I'm baffled as to where you're getting your 'high horse' from.

Take any group of people from anywhere in the world, transplant them somewhere else and in a few generations they will have developed their own culture, or variation thereof. Nowhere has it been said that it's a bad thing.

That's a fair point, but I'd argue that most of these people have held onto aspects of their native cultures, with the exception of the most devout. Again, not a bad thing.

How many generations? Becareful, you might p1ss off a lot of French Canadians...

Donkey Oaty · 19-02-2015 08:46PM

One of the mistakes people make about Americans is to assume that they have no sense of self-irony.

I mean, look at this...

anncoates · 19-02-2015 08:48PM

On a trivial level, that feeling of complete familiarity is pretty weird when you come into Manhattan for the first time

ManofStan · 19-02-2015 08:48PM

Bloke at the bar, friday night, swirling glass of ciroc slowly. Girls waltz by.
Man: Hey ma? (big smile)
Girl: Hai... how're you? (smile)
Man: Feeling lucky. (straight face)
Girl: Ha ha. Samantha (stretches hand). Wat do you do?
Man: I'm a vet, actually
Girl: No way! Me too.
Man: (Acting like he hadn't seen her key ring) Yes way.
Girl: Ha ha. You must have seen my key ring! Ok, a little question
Man: Hit me- hard (still swirling that ciroc)
Girl: What side is a horse's heart on.
Man: (sips a bit). The right side.
Girl: *Bemused*
Man: and my car's outside. Waiter her drinks on my card too. (leading girl away).

Georgia.

the_monkey · 19-02-2015 08:50PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Which cities? Boston has a really cool vibe. Little Italy has a lot of history, ditto the harbor. Pennsylvania has a lot of history too. Ditto New York. The culture on the east coast is a mix of many different cultures. The culture where I am in the Southwest is very different. I'm living right beside a reservation. There's a bunch of Native American museums, restaraunts, concerts etc.

It's a big country...the culture differs depending on where you go...

Also, you could argue that popular culture in the developed world has been dictated by America, so if you don't notice a unique culture, it might be because it's not unique to America anymore...

Do you live in New Mexico by any chance ?

I heard the native american history there is amazing - couple that with the spectacular scenery .

ManofStan · 19-02-2015 08:52PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

no realising that Ireland has progressed as a country and the Irish are a much, much more progressive bunch than most.

This, my dear Wompa is bullocks. I'm a black man in Dublin and in my 5 cities living experience Irish people in Dublin have to be the most racist, disjointed from reality, insular and outrightly xenophobic bunch I have ever come across. And MF whatever any person here says, my notion as reproduced has been learned experientially.

Donkey Oaty · 19-02-2015 08:57PM

ManofStan wrote: »

This, my dear Wompa is bullocks. I'm a black man in Dublin and in my 5 cities living experience Irish people in Dublin have to be the most racist, disjointed from reality, insular and outrightly xenophobic bunch I have ever come across. And MF whatever any person here says, my notion as reproduced has been learned experientially.

Were the other four Derry, Belfast, Newry and pre-apartheid Jo'burg?

DarkyHughes · 19-02-2015 09:01PM

Also far-right pundit & shameful Republican party promoter Stephen Colbert's grandfather Con Colbert was killed in the 1916 Rising. He was from Tyrone.

Aircraft Freak · 19-02-2015 09:01PM

One thing I haven't observed in recent years, Is the fat American with the bun bag.

Wompa1 · 19-02-2015 09:05PM

ManofStan wrote: »

This, my dear Wompa is bullocks. I'm a black man in Dublin and in my 5 cities living experience Irish people in Dublin have to be the most racist, disjointed from reality, insular and outrightly xenophobic bunch I have ever come across. And MF whatever any person here says, my notion as reproduced has been learned experientially.

Maybe, I wouldn't know. Never lived in Dublin. I'll trust your experience though. Sorry to hear about it.

DarkyHughes · 19-02-2015 09:07PM

ManofStan wrote: »

This, my dear Wompa is bullocks. I'm a black man in Dublin and in my 5 cities living experience Irish people in Dublin have to be the most racist, disjointed from reality, insular and outrightly xenophobic bunch I have ever come across. And MF whatever any person here says, my notion as reproduced has been learned experientially.

True, look at these ignorant muppets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFqu6Qz7yHc

ManofStan · 19-02-2015 09:07PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Were the other four Derry, Belfast, Newry and pre-apartheid Jo'burg?

No. But thank you for very adeptly locating the African- in- Dublin's experience.

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