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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #3302
    Gunney
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭Gunney


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Whether this goes through or not, gay couples will still exist and they'll be able to adopt.


    What!?! Since when did that happen???

    More children growing up without a father or a mother !!!- that's seriously clever


  • #3303
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Gunney wrote: »
    What!?! Since when did that happen???

    More children growing up without a father or a mother !!!- that's seriously clever

    This will be in place before the referendum and there will be no vote on it.

    So? Surely you know that there's more important things in a child's development than the gender of their parents?


  • #3304
    Gunney
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭Gunney


    K4t wrote: »
    You seem to be obsessed with sex, who is having sex, and who they are having sex with. This referendum is on same-sex marriage. As I'm sure you're well aware, lots of married couples do not engage in sexual activity. Men and Women are EQUAL. They are both HUMAN BEINGS.


    You're perfecly correct of course. Gay people getting married have no interest in sex - they want to be just like all the other married couples who get married and don't have sex.


  • #3305
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    sup_dude wrote: »
    This will be in place before the referendum and there will be no vote on it.

    So? Surely you know that there's more important things in a child's development than the gender of their parents?

    Sadly some people seem to think that is the be all and end all.


  • #3306
    Gunney
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭Gunney


    K4t wrote: »

    My point was to show that abstaining from voting was if anything worse than voting NO, because you are aware that it does not make sense to vote NO, nor is it worth actively opposing the referendum.

    Ah, democracy in action - vote but only vote the way you're told to vote.

    There should a a law enacted to make voting No in this referendum a homophobic hate crime.


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  • #3307
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Gunney wrote: »
    You're perfecly correct of course. Gay people getting married have no interest in sex - they want to be just like all the other married couples who get married and don't have sex.
    Exactly, glad you understand. The sanctity of marriage is about love and happiness, and wanting to spend the rest of your life together with the person you love and who makes you happy. It's not something that should be entered into lightly as so many heterosexual couples do. You have to treat marriage as sacred, and spend time making it work, no matter the cost. The greatest threat to the sanctity of marriage is lack of respect for it, thus leading to degeneration of the marriage, and often divorce, as you see so often in heterosexual marriages. The sanctity of marriage is not subjective, and to be interpreted at the whims of people who have found it too hard or too difficult. The sanctity of marriage demands personal sacrifice, and pays back in great rewards. That's why it is so important to allow loving, happy, sensible same sex couples to marry, to strengthen the tradition and the sanctity of marriage.


  • #3308
    Gunney
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭Gunney


    sup_dude wrote: »

    So? Surely you know that there's more important things in a child's development than the gender of their parents?

    I'm old school. I kinda think the gender of the parents is somewhat important in the conception of the child and seeing as it's their child they should be the ones to bring it up.

    I know there are cases where parents get killed or they can't bring up the kid themselves but gender models are important and ideally kids should have a mother and a father.

    Am I not entitled to that opinion?


  • #3309
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Gunney wrote: »
    Ah, democracy in action - vote but only vote the way you're told to vote.

    There should a a law enacted to make voting No in this referendum a homophobic hate crime.


    Excessive much? In Brazil there is a fixed financial penalty for not using your vote. Then again, maybe some people here just dont appreciate how lucky they are to live in a democracy. I've no problem with people not voting...providing they undertake to STFU about the issue since they weren't bothered their holes exercising their right to have a say :)


  • #3310
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,007 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    @Gunney: how would you deal with the estimated 08% of the population who are gay?


  • #3311
    Gunney
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭Gunney


    K4t wrote: »
    Exactly, glad you understand. The sanctity of marriage is about love and happiness, and wanting to spend the rest of your life together with the person you love and who makes you happy. It's not something that should be entered into lightly as so many heterosexual couples do. You have to treat marriage as sacred, and spend time making it work, no matter the cost. The greatest threat to the sanctity of marriage is lack of respect for it, thus leading to degeneration of the marriage, and often divorce, as you see so often in heterosexual marriages. The sanctity of marriage is not subjective, and to be interpreted at the whims of people who have found it too hard or too difficult. The sanctity of marriage demands personal sacrifice, and pays back in great rewards. That's why it is so important to allow loving, happy, sensible same sex couples to marry, to strengthen the tradition and the sanctity of marriage.

    Can you define sanctity because to me same sex so called marriage is more diabolical than anything else. It's redefining marriage to make it adult centered and to make children, if they want them, commodities to be manufactured for them.


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  • #3312
    Gunney
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭Gunney


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Excessive much? In Brazil there is a fixed financial penalty for not using your vote. Then again, maybe some people here just dont appreciate how lucky they are to live in a democracy. I've no problem with people not voting...providing they undertake to STFU about the issue since they weren't bothered their holes exercising their right to have a say :)

    Are they allowed to vote No in Brasil?


  • #3313
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Gunney wrote: »
    I'm old school. I kinda think the gender of the parents is somewhat important in the conception of the child and seeing as it's their child they should be the ones to bring it up.

    I know there are cases where parents get killed or they can't bring up the kid themselves but gender models are important and ideally kids should have a mother and a father.

    Am I not entitled to that opinion?


    Not unless otherwise agreed that that isn't going to be the case.

    Gender models are a factor, but not set in stone and a child is perfectly capable of growing up without any problems without a parent of a certain gender, especially if other influences in their life are a different gender such as grandparents, aunts, uncles and family friends. Otherwise, children of single parents wouldn't grow up stable but they do. The parent's gender is far from the most important factor in a childs health or stability.

    You are entitled to that opinion. I'm entitled to disagree with it, mainly based on the above.


  • #3314
    Gunney
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭Gunney


    aloyisious wrote: »
    @Gunney: how would you deal with the estimated 08% of the population who are gay?

    Define "deal with"

    How many are Jihadist or anti-Christ?


  • #3315
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Gunney wrote: »
    I'm old school. I kinda think the gender of the parents is somewhat important in the conception of the child and seeing as it's their child they should be the ones to bring it up.

    I know there are cases where parents get killed or they can't bring up the kid themselves but gender models are important and ideally kids should have a mother and a father.

    Am I not entitled to that opinion?

    Of course you are , but we don't live in an ideal world , loads of kids are already not being brought up in traditional family units and doing fine .

    And of course we have many traditional family units where it is hell for children , less so now that we have divorce .

    So it is impossible to generalise , the most important attribute in any relationship with kids is love and that is not exclusive to traditional units.


  • #3316
    Gunney
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭Gunney


    sup_dude wrote: »
    You are entitled to that opinion. I'm entitled to disagree with it, mainly based on the above.

    am I allowed vote No ?


  • #3317
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Gunney wrote: »
    What!?! Since when did that happen???

    More children growing up without a father or a mother !!!- that's seriously clever

    Indeed. What a disgrace.


  • #3318
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Gunney wrote: »
    am I allowed vote No ?

    Yes, it's a democracy after all. Why do you ask?


  • #3319
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Gunney wrote: »
    Are they allowed to vote No in Brasil?

    What a ridiculous question to ask.


  • #3320
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Yes, it's a democracy after all. Why do you ask?


    It's a passive aggressive dig at the yes voters, I suspect.


  • #3321
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Gunney wrote: »
    Ah, democracy in action - vote but only vote the way you're told to vote.
    Nope, democracy means you are allowed to engage in debate and discussion in an attempt to change the minds of the opposition. In a referendum such as this, on equality of rights, my own view is that there is only one right way to vote, but I of course can understand why people would vote no, as I have discussed at length in posts here and other places.
    There should a a law enacted to make voting No in this referendum a homophobic hate crime.
    Ugh, absolutely not. Hate crime legislation is ridiculous. Being allowed to hold and express homophobic views and beliefs is a human right, as you and I well know.


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  • #3322
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    It's an awful shame that the real results won't be anything like this poll. :(


  • #3323
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Gunney wrote: »
    Can you define sanctity because to me same sex so called marriage is more diabolical than anything else. It's redefining marriage to make it adult centered and to make children, if they want them, commodities to be manufactured for them.
    You're confusing the right to marry with sexual activity and reproduction. The right to marry, is simply that, the right to marry the person you love, whether they be a man or a woman. And the sanctity of marriage must be protected I'm sure you would agree:

    The sanctity of marriage is about love and happiness, and wanting to spend the rest of your life together with the person you love and who makes you happy. It's not something that should be entered into lightly as so many heterosexual couples do. You have to treat marriage as sacred, and spend time making it work, no matter the cost. The greatest threat to the sanctity of marriage is lack of respect for it, thus leading to degeneration of the marriage, and often divorce, as you see so often in heterosexual marriages. The sanctity of marriage is not subjective, and to be interpreted at the whims of people who have found it too hard or too difficult. The sanctity of marriage demands personal sacrifice, and pays back in great rewards. That's why it is so important to allow loving, happy, sensible same sex couples to marry, to strengthen the tradition and the sanctity of marriage. :)


  • #3324
    Gunney
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭Gunney


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Yes, it's a democracy after all. Why do you ask?

    because this opinion was expressed
    Kt4 wrote:
    My point was to show that abstaining from voting was if anything worse than voting NO, because you are aware that it does not make sense to vote NO, nor is it worth actively opposing the referendum.


  • #3325
    Gunney
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭Gunney


    K4t wrote: »
    You're confusing the right to marry with sexual activity and reproduction. The right to marry, is simply that, the right to marry the person you love, whether they be a man or a woman. And the sanctity of marriage must be protected I'm sure you would agree:

    The sanctity of marriage is about love and happiness, and wanting to spend the rest of your life together with the person you love and who makes you happy. It's not something that should be entered into lightly as so many heterosexual couples do. You have to treat marriage as sacred, and spend time making it work, no matter the cost. The greatest threat to the sanctity of marriage is lack of respect for it, thus leading to degeneration of the marriage, and often divorce, as you see so often in heterosexual marriages. The sanctity of marriage is not subjective, and to be interpreted at the whims of people who have found it too hard or too difficult. The sanctity of marriage demands personal sacrifice, and pays back in great rewards. That's why it is so important to allow loving, happy, sensible same sex couples to marry, to strengthen the tradition and the sanctity of marriage. :)


    I guess you didn't look up a definition of sanctity then.

    For me sanctity is about being holy, sacred and saintly. Is there anything holy, sacred or saintly about so called same sex marriage.

    Seems to me a tiny percentage of the population is looking to redfine marriage for the vast majority of the country and change it from being child centered and selfless to being adult centred and selfish.


  • #3326
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Gunney wrote: »
    because this opinion was expressed
    A lot of people DO feel it does not make sense to oppose same sex marriage. It achieves nothing except denies same-sex marriage and furthers the discrimination of gay people. Did my opinion that people should abstain rather than vote no, really have such an effect on you that you would question whether you're allowed vote? Are you 12?


  • #3327
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    K4t wrote: »
    You're confusing the right to marry with sexual activity and reproduction. The right to marry, is simply that, the right to marry the person you love, whether they be a man or a woman. And the sanctity of marriage must be protected I'm sure you would agree:

    The sanctity of marriage is about love and happiness, and wanting to spend the rest of your life together with the person you love and who makes you happy. It's not something that should be entered into lightly as so many heterosexual couples do. You have to treat marriage as sacred, and spend time making it work, no matter the cost. The greatest threat to the sanctity of marriage is lack of respect for it, thus leading to degeneration of the marriage, and often divorce, as you see so often in heterosexual marriages. The sanctity of marriage is not subjective, and to be interpreted at the whims of people who have found it too hard or too difficult. The sanctity of marriage demands personal sacrifice, and pays back in great rewards. That's why it is so important to allow loving, happy, sensible same sex couples to marry, to strengthen the tradition and the sanctity of marriage. :)


    Exactly. I love the claim that marriage being "adult centred" is wrong! :P I mean, marriage is between 2 ADULTS. It's the most "adult centred" thing there is? Be a bit disturbing to have child centred marriages? Unless the poster (and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt) meant child centred in the sense that you get married in order to have children? If straight people only get married to have children then maybe that explains why they have such a high prevalence of separation and infidelity...


  • #3328
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Gunney wrote: »
    I guess you didn't look up a definition of sanctity then.

    For me sanctity is about being holy, sacred and saintly. Is there anything holy, sacred or saintly about so called same sex marriage.

    Seems to me a tiny percentage of the population is looking to redfine marriage for the vast majority of the country and change it from being child centered and selfless to being adult centred and selfish.


    Where are you getting this idea that marriage is "child centred". Are you married to a child? Were you a child bride? :confused:

    Did you have sex before marriage? Do you use contraception? There's nothing "holy, sacred or saintly" about those either :)

    PS I'm not interested in your answer but you know what they say about people in glass houses...


  • #3329
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Gunney wrote: »
    Seems to me a tiny percentage of the population is looking to redfine marriage for the vast majority of the country and change it from being child centered and selfless to being adult centred and selfish.
    But same-sex marriage has nothing to do with, and no effect whatsoever, on existing marriages between, or any future marriages between a man and a woman and any children they might have! Same sex marriage merely allows same sex couples to marry! It's not redefining marriage at all, it's still the same for men and women who want to marry each other! It's simply allowing same sex couples to marry! There's no big conspiracy or change!


  • #3330
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Gunney wrote: »
    because this opinion was expressed

    And they're entitled to that opinion. That doesn't explain why you were asking me.

    Gunney wrote: »

    Seems to me a tiny percentage of the population is looking to redfine marriage for the vast majority of the country and change it from being child centered and selfless to being adult centred and selfish.

    Except a marriage isn't child centred and I don't know why you think so. There are many types of marriage. Yes, some people marry and have children. Some people marry and don't have children. Some people marry and can't have children. Some people don't marry and have children. Does that make their marriage and less legit or in the case of children outside of marriage, does that make the children any less legit?


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  • #3331
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    K4t wrote: »
    But same-sex marriage has nothing to do with, and no effect whatsoever, on existing marriages between, or any future marriages between a man and a woman and any children they might have! Same sex marriage merely allows same sex couples to marry! It's not redefining marriage at all, it's still the same for men and women who want to marry each other! It's simply allowing same sex couples to marry! There's no big conspiracy or change!


    Did you not know that if two women next door to you get married, your own marriage will auto-destruct in ten minutes? :P And as for two men? Well if two men on the same street as you marry, your wife will become a lesbian and run off on you. Be warned!


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