Ever tried driving at 20 km/h (12 mph) for long?

The Backwards Man · 17-02-2015 08:57PM

I never use first gear, except for taking off. I'd go so far as to make it 10 kph in estates if I had my way, absolutely no need for driving any faster than that in a residential street.

darkpagandeath · 17-02-2015 08:57PM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

30 also leads to more fatalities when you run into a toddler because you're too self important to take your time leaving a residential area and decide to to put children's lives at risk. Sure why not 50 or 80?

Nah I would go with maybe not letting a toddler play on the road unattended .

Dog of Tears · 17-02-2015 08:58PM

Truffle Pig wrote: »

If a child is not on the road they have almost 100% chance of not being hit by a vehicle.

It's also helpful if there isn't an areshole behind the wheel of the car thinking they are more important than children in a residential estate setting I reckon.

G_R · 17-02-2015 08:59PM

My name is URL wrote: »

That page goes on to refute the claim and figures stated

It's also worth noting that those figures are in mph. 20mph would be closer to 30km/h

Dog of Tears · 17-02-2015 09:00PM

UCDVet wrote: »

If we expect pet owners to do it, why can't we expect the same from children owners?

You should have gone down to the Dail today, - you could have told that to the mother who watched her 3 year old die in her arms.

Or is it easier from behind a computer screen?

NomadicGray · 17-02-2015 09:01PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

e majority of adults,who in live-traffic situations were fully comfortable with allowing tiny children to wander freely onto the roadways and hide between parked cars as buses drove by.

You'd probably save more by banning on street parking & A 30Km/h limit than this 20km/h. Seeing potential incidents would be more valuable to the driver than a lower speed

jjbrien · 17-02-2015 09:02PM

Wonder will the speed vans be ticketing people on bikes for going over that limit lol

LordSutch · 17-02-2015 09:02PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I never use first gear, except for taking off.

Well if this bill goes through, you will be using 1st gear every time you enter an estate @ 12 mph.

pablo128 · 17-02-2015 09:03PM

Who is going to operate speed checks in estates? Go-Safe are not going to send their vans into Some kip of an estate in Tallaght or Ballymun I can assure you.

The Backwards Man · 17-02-2015 09:05PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Well if this bill goes through, you will be using 1st gear every time you enter an estate @ 12 mph.

I don't drive a Bugatti

MythicalMadMan · 17-02-2015 09:05PM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

30 also leads to more fatalities when you run into a toddler because you're too self important to take your time leaving a residential area and decide to to put children's lives at risk. Sure why not 50 or 80?

They should just ban cars from estates altogether or if you really want to park your car at your house youve to push it once in the estate

SeanW · 17-02-2015 09:06PM

pablo128 wrote: »

"Oh Holly, and Herbert, remember I said to look both ways when crossing the road? Well now there's a new speed limit and you can dart across the road if you like, as all those cars can stop in plenty of time now. Off you go, out to play now."

Seems to me to be a good question - if you cut speed limits how do you prevent pedestrians/cyclists from taking it as a license to behave irresponsibly?

darkpagandeath · 17-02-2015 09:07PM

SeanW wrote: »

Seems to me to be a good question - if you cut speed limits how do you prevent pedestrians/cyclists from taking it as a license to behave irresponsibly?

Ban legs and bikes. :pac::pac:

My name is URL · 17-02-2015 09:09PM

NomadicGray wrote: »

You'd probably save more by banning on street parking & A 30Km/h limit than this 20km/h. Seeing potential incidents would be more valuable to the driver than a lower speed

Dunno about that.

There was some woman on the radio (Right Hook I think) last week saying that most pedestrians and cyclists hit in estates are hit by people reversing out of their driveways.

Just a little Samba · 17-02-2015 09:09PM

My name is URL wrote: »

That page goes on to refute the claim and figures stated

It goes on to make a half arsed argument whit no actual facts to back it up.

Anyway here's the original DOT comissioned report with actual evidence and figures, in full with breakdows for people aged 0-14 years, 15-59 years and 60 years +

http://nacto.org/docs/usdg/relationship_between_speed_risk_fatal_injury_pedestrians_and_car_occupants_richards.pdf

LordSutch · 17-02-2015 09:11PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I don't drive a Bugatti

I drive a Renault Scenic diesel, which is typical of many I guess, and I can't get into 2nd gear (comfortably) unless I break 12 mph (20 km/h).

NomadicGray · 17-02-2015 09:12PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Dunno about that.

There was some woman on the radio (Right Hook I think) last week saying that most pedestrians and cyclists hit in estates are hit by people reversing out of their driveways.

Yeah, that doesnt surprise me actually.

darkpagandeath · 17-02-2015 09:14PM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

It goes on to make a half arsed argument whit no actual facts to back it up.

Anyway here's the original DOT comissioned report with actual evidence and figures, in full with breakdows for people aged 0-14 years, 15-59 years and 60 years +

http://nacto.org/docs/usdg/relationship_between_speed_risk_fatal_injury_pedestrians_and_car_occupants_richards.pdf

Cba looking at random Pdf, Does it include who was at fault or just speed.

Just a little Samba · 17-02-2015 09:16PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Cba looking at random Pdf, Does it include who was at fault or just speed.

Who's at fault is irrelevant to be quite frank, if lives can be saved by slightly inconveniencing people then it should happen. Leave your house 45 seconds earlier and get over it.

darkpagandeath · 17-02-2015 09:19PM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

Who's at fault is irrelevant to be quite frank, if lives can be saved by slightly inconveniencing people then it should happen. Leave your house 45 seconds earlier and get over it.

No it's not.

kneemos · 17-02-2015 09:22PM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

Who's at fault is irrelevant to be quite frank, if lives can be saved by slightly inconveniencing people then it should happen. Leave your house 45 seconds earlier and get over it.

how many have been killed in housing estates?

Just a little Samba · 17-02-2015 09:22PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No it's not.

Yes, it is. Because the target of the policy is to protect children, who are at the greatest risk of serious injury or fatality from collisions in residential areas, not appointing "blame" to one person or another, it's a simple public health policy, not some great conspiracy to target motorists ffs.

Pherekydes · 17-02-2015 09:24PM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

It goes on to make a half arsed argument whit no actual facts to back it up.

Anyway here's the original DOT comissioned report with actual evidence and figures, in full with breakdows for people aged 0-14 years, 15-59 years and 60 years +

http://nacto.org/docs/usdg/relationship_between_speed_risk_fatal_injury_pedestrians_and_car_occupants_richards.pdf

The speeds in that document are in MPH.

Where did you get the following data:

Just a little Samba wrote: »

I never said less accidents, I said less fatalities.

If a pedestrian is hit by a car at 30kph they have a 50% chance of dying.
If a pedestrian is hit by a car at 20kph they have a 10% chance of dying.

EaSwe · 17-02-2015 09:25PM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

I never said less accidents, I said less fatalities.

If a pedestrian is hit by a car at 30kph they have a 50% chance of dying.
If a pedestrian is hit by a car at 20kph they have a 10% chance of dying.

Source.

Your source link is in MPH, not KPH??

20MPH =32KPH?

Just a little Samba · 17-02-2015 09:27PM

kneemos wrote: »

how many have been killed in housing estates?

At least one in 2014, Jake Brennan in Killarney, off of the top of my head. But I know in 2014 the figure was around 6 and was up about 100% from the year before.

Can't find links because I'm not in Ireland and google searches keep giving me Asian figures and completely unrelated statistics and I'm not smart enough to work around it at 2am.

Just a little Samba · 17-02-2015 09:30PM

EaSwe wrote: »

Your source link is in MPH, not KPH??

20MPH =32KPH?

The graph in that post is also for 15-59 year olds and not 0-14 year olds.

Funnily enough when the people get smaller the chances of a fatal injury get higher.

Just a little Samba · 17-02-2015 09:35PM

I was actually (and still am) searching for the Swedish Vision Zero Initiative figures which ARE in kph and are also borken down into age groups, although I think rather than just 3 age groups it's children, adolescents, young adults, middle age and seniors if memory serves.

But alas, it's like 2 hours past bedtime already.

hadepsx · 17-02-2015 09:41PM

Sure driving into estate tonight the local lil bitches wouldn't move.I wasn't going fast. Can't win. Then they make that face as ya drive 3 inches past them. Move outta d way ya stupid fcuk.

MythicalMadMan · 17-02-2015 09:45PM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

The graph in that post is also for 15-59 year olds and not 0-14 year olds.

Funnily enough when the people get smaller the chances of a fatal injury get higher.

I found out today the taller you are the more likely you are to have a free given against you in a football match mad eh

The_Morrigan · 17-02-2015 09:45PM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

At least one in 2014, Jake Brennan in Killarney, off of the top of my head. But I know in 2014 the figure was around 6 and was up about 100% from the year before.

Can't find links because I'm not in Ireland and google searches keep giving me Asian figures and completely unrelated statistics and I'm not smart enough to work around it at 2am.

Jakie was in Kilkenny city..that was June of last year.
If it stops another tragedy like that I would happily stay in first gear in an estate.

Ever tried driving at 20 km/h (12 mph) for long?

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