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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #3152
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I'm not enamoured with homosexuals.
    Ok, that's fine, neither am I!; but why are you voting NO because of that? Voting NO is voting against your own human rights and the human rights of your fellow citizens!
    Furthermore, we shouldn't be encouraging it and leading them on.
    Encouraging what? Homosexuality or same-sex marriage? They're separate things! Homosexuals can already get married, even to each other! This is SAME-SEX marriage, it's making the human right of marriage the equal right of all citizens! You're very unclear or misguided in your reasons for voting NO, my friend.


  • #3153
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Nodin wrote: »
    I can think of a number of people I'm not enamoured with, but feel no need to discriminate against them in law.



    It's not a fashion. Its also legal.

    That's not discrimination. It's termed democracy and using your vote.


  • #3154
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rightwing wrote: »
    That's not discrimination. It's termed democracy and using your vote.


    emmmm.....yes, that would be discrimination. Whether its democratically enacted or not is neither here nor there in determining that.


  • #3155
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Nodin wrote: »
    emmmm.....yes, that would be discrimination. Whether its democratically enacted or not is neither here nor there in determining that.

    So, if you don't like FF and vote against them you are discriminating against them, eh ?


  • #3156
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I'm not enamoured with homosexuals.

    Furthermore, we shouldn't be encouraging it and leading them on.

    If there was any choice in the matter I would be straight.

    While I'm very happy in myself now, I can assure that I tried very hard for a number of years to do just that, but despite the overwhelming amount of encouragement I got from society to be straight I just couldn't do it.

    If you think about it logically, the whole "choice" argument or belief that sexuality is something that be learned or influence is just illogical.

    If it was all down to peer pressure and media representation we would all be straight.

    Moreover, heterosexual people will tell you that they never made a choice to be straight and its just the way they are wired. They would be incapable of being attracted to the same sex if they wanted.

    So how could gay people be any different?

    The only way it could ever be a choice is if you are attracted to both sexes - but that would make you bisexual.

    For heterosexuals and homosexuals there is no choice in the matter.

    If urge you to actually try to think about I rationally and see if your reasoning makes any sense.


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  • #3157
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I'm not enamoured with homosexuals.

    Furthermore, we shouldn't be encouraging it and leading them on.

    You sound like one of those "Occupy Paedophilia" fascists.


  • #3158
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rightwing wrote: »
    So, if you don't like FF and vote against them you are discriminating against them, eh ?


    A bit of a nonsense comparing the two. If it were put to public vote whether or not FF members should be allowed marry, you'd have a point.


  • #3159
    Philo Beddoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Philo Beddoe


    Rightwing wrote: »
    So, if you don't like FF and vote against them you are discriminating against them, eh ?

    Voting to deny FF members or voters rights would be discriminating against them, yes.


  • #3160
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Rightwing wrote: »
    So, if you don't like FF and vote against them you are discriminating against them, eh ?

    Well if you had a choice to vote in favour of enacting apartheid in ireland, do you think a yes vote would not be discriminatory?


  • #3161
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    floggg wrote: »
    Well if you had a choice to vote in favour of enacting apartheid in ireland, do you think a yes vote would not be discriminatory?

    Hypothetical Q. Thereby rendering it useless. The voter wouldn't be put in such an unfair position.


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  • #3162
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Hypothetical Q. Thereby rendering it useless. The voter wouldn't be put in such an unfair position.


    For somebody so forthright in the beginning, its a shame to see you become evasive now.


  • #3163
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Hypothetical Q. Thereby rendering it useless. The voter wouldn't be put in such an unfair position.

    Lol. Voting on the rights of black people would be absurd, but when it's gay people it's just politics?

    Why would it be unfair to ask voters to vote on apartheid?


  • #3164
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Nodin wrote: »
    For somebody so forthright in the beginning, its a shame to see you become evasive now.

    On the contrary it dismisses your rubbish about discrimination.


    Would we be voting on such matters?
    • Should we allow blacks to enter the country. Vote Yes or No.
    Of course not.


  • #3165
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Just looking at the poll, I don't believe it reflects what would happen if the referendum were held tomorrow. I'd at the very least double the NO vote from 241 to a rounded 500, and I'd multiply the Won't vote by 5 x 106 to a rounded 500; I'd assume most of those extra Won't Votes to be those who ticked YES but won't bother turning out on the day, thus reducing the YES vote to under a thousand. That still leaves the YES vote at double the NO vote, but that's a lot less comfortable a position than the poll suggests, and does not take into account swing votes and the power of the secret ballot.


  • #3166
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    K4t wrote: »
    Just looking at the poll, I don't believe it reflects what would happen if the referendum were held tomorrow. I'd at the very least double the NO vote from 241 to a rounded 500, and I'd multiply the Won't vote by 5 x 106 to a rounded 500; I'd assume most of those extra Won't Votes to be those who ticked YES but won't bother turning out on the day, thus reducing the YES vote to under a thousand. That still leaves the YES vote at double the NO vote, but that's a lot less comfortable a position than the poll suggests, and does not take into account swing votes and the power of the secret ballot.

    This is seen to be a trendy vote, so I'd expect a 4:1 ratio in favour.


  • #3167
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rightwing wrote: »
    On the contrary it dismisses your rubbish about discrimination.



    Would we be voting on such matters?
    • Should we allow blacks to enter the country. Vote Yes or No.
    Of course not.

    You are voting to deny the right to marry to a minority group. That's discrimination.

    It's clear from your first post that you don't approve of homosexuality and don't want to give them the right to marry for that reason. This dance (presumably conducted as much for your benefit as that of others) where you pretend its not you discriminating is a bit pointless.


  • #3168
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Rightwing wrote: »
    This is seen to be a trendy vote, so I'd expect a 4:1 ratio in favour.
    Human Rights are trendy...riiiiight


  • #3169
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    K4t wrote: »
    Human Rights are trendy...riiiiight

    It's the latest derogatory buzzword amongst bigots.


  • #3170
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Nodin wrote: »
    You are voting to deny the right to marry to a minority group. That's discrimination.

    It's clear from your first post that you don't approve of homosexuality and don't want to give them the right to marry for that reason. This dance (presumably conducted as much for your benefit as that of others) where you pretend its not you discriminating is a bit pointless.

    You have assumed the role of judge and jury, deciding on what is right and what is wrong.

    Maybe some will listen to you, but I certainly won't.


  • #3171
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rightwing wrote: »
    You have assumed the role of judge and jury, deciding on what is right and what is wrong..

    Well if I have, I am not alone in doing so, given the evidence of your first post.


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  • #3172
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Rightwing wrote: »
    You have assumed the role of judge and jury, deciding on what is right and what is wrong.

    Maybe some will listen to you, but I certainly won't.

    Fair play to you , I haven't seen such shameless discrimination in a long time !


  • #3173
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    floggg wrote: »
    Lol. Voting on the rights of black people would be absurd, but when it's gay people it's just politics?

    Why would it be unfair to ask voters to vote on apartheid?

    A response to this might go a way towards explaining your thinking.


  • #3174
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    marienbad wrote: »
    Fair play to you , I haven't seen such shameless discrimination in a long time !

    You clearly have no understanding of what the word means. That often leads to confusion, but as they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.


  • #3175
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I'm not enamoured with homosexuals.

    Furthermore, we shouldn't be encouraging it and leading them on.

    I never need encouraging.


  • #3176
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Rightwing wrote: »
    You clearly have no understanding of what the word means. That often leads to confusion, but as they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    Feel free to explain the meaning then , and why it doesn't arise in the present case.


  • #3177
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Rightwing wrote: »
    You clearly have no understanding of what the word means. That often leads to confusion, but as they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
    Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice. This includes treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".

    Nope, they have it right.


  • #3178
    jenn1984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭jenn1984


    As a straight girl, I would vote yes to allow gay/bi guys and girls the same rights that I have.


  • #3179
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Rightwing wrote: »
    You clearly have no understanding of what the word means. That often leads to confusion, but as they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.


    Thankfully there are dictionaries , here is the Merriam Webster for you

    'the practice of unfairly treating a person or group of people differently from other people or groups of people'


  • #3180
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    marienbad wrote: »
    Thankfully there are dictionaries , here is the Merriam Webster for you

    'the practice of unfairly treating a person or group of people differently from other people or groups of people'

    That's the easy bit, the hard bit is applying it. This is where most have difficulty.


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  • #3181
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Rightwing wrote: »
    That's the easy bit, the hard bit is applying it. This is where most have difficulty.

    At least you have moved on from telling me I don't understand the word . So you are capable of change .

    And you are right, the hard bit is applying it , and now you have that opportunity - just vote yes .

    Your life won't change one iota and you will make lots of people happy .


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