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adox · 17-02-2015 12:10AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Fellaini time and time again has been fantastic when played off the striker. He has shown more goal threat than any of the strikers this season.

Agree. His ability to hold the ball up also makes such a huge difference.

17-02-2015 12:50AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Fellaini time and time again has been fantastic when played off the striker. He has shown more goal threat than any of the strikers this season.

Not even just there, he has been great as the 2nd midfielder too. Even had the odd good game on the right. It's great to see him shove it in the face of his detractors.

Al Capwned · 17-02-2015 01:43AM

I'd be very upset if the Herrera goal was not flagged for offside if it had been at the other end. fwiw I agree with adox.

17-02-2015 02:09AM

Al Capwned wrote: »

I'd be very upset if the Herrera goal was not flagged for offside if it had been at the other end. fwiw I agree with adox.

Another ref/linesman could just have easily flagged it for offside, just the same as another ref could have booked Rooney for diving. I always thought in that situation as long as the keeper is not impeded by the offending player, it's onside. The only thing I saw was the keeper presuming that a player coming back from offside was going to interfere, and reacted thus and too late. Really 50/50, another official on another night could have killed the goal celebration before it even began, and there would be rightful arguments against that decision too.

That bit of luck that we used to get our fair share of but majorly lacked last season showed up tonight. And fwiw, I don't class Rooney's dive in the same league as some of Ashley Young's previous where he not only left a leg trailing, but hooked it into the unsuspecting defender and just toppled over to the ground. Ashley Young would look for them out of nowhere.

With Rooney, he was running at full diddy and the keeper came out to no man's land and slid in with the feet. Rooney had knocked the ball past him and would have kept it in had he stayed on his feet after skipping over the keeper (as he had to do), but in less than 0.1 of a second he chose to go down instead. I don't want to see this at all, any diving of any measure of intent, but it happens. An opportunity presented itself and in almost an immeasurable amount of time Rooney decided to take it. I won't pillory him for it and will move on as it is not something we see from him often.

17-02-2015 02:55AM

Found that goal celebration pic that I was looking for on reddit, hope to see many more of these moments from him.

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Giggsy11 · 17-02-2015 05:34AM

Falcao was useless, yeah he didn't get any service but his touch and hold up play was worse than lower league striker. He has no pace at all, there were instances yesterday where he was ahead of the defender when the pass was played but he lost every single ball because he was out paced easily.

Rooney showed how a striker should play, he made runs and also held the ball well. Yes he lost the ball few times but he got behind the defenders easily and stretched the game.

Fellaini did well playing in the advanced role also Di Maria played well. His final ball was missing but his ability on the ball is on another level compared to our players. He dribbled and opened up space but shame about the final ball and.

Herrera was clear man of the match for me, his precision passing, work rate and contribution in attack is clear for everyone to see.

Giggsy11 · 17-02-2015 05:57AM

Btw looks like our FA cup run is coming to end, never seen a opposition team fans so confident of beating us, that too at old trafford.

L'prof · 17-02-2015 07:10AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Btw looks like our FA cup run is coming to end, never seen a opposition team fans so confident of beating us, that too at old trafford.

Confident??? We rarely beat ye, least of all up there. I was confident of beating ye at home this season and we couldn't even do that even though I thought ye were poor on the day. So, if that's confidence then yeah, should be handy for us...

Giggsy11 · 17-02-2015 07:15AM

L'prof wrote: »

Confident??? We rarely best ye, least of all up there. I was confident of beating ye at home this season and we couldn't even do that even though I thought ye were poor on the day. So, if that's confidence then yeah, should be handy for us...

Arsenal thread reads completely different

Giggsy11 · 17-02-2015 07:17AM

Also Interesting point on Fellaini.

LVG on Fellaini wrote:

We can always overcome the pressure with him and he scores goals also. I played him for the first time in the position he wants but I have not always got a position for him and that's my problem.

So Fellaini wants to play as striker?

L'prof · 17-02-2015 07:20AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Arsenal thread reads completely different

I don't think it does to be honest. We're desperate to beat ye and knock ye out of the cup. Hoping to get to another final. I wouldn't mistake that for confidence though.

KH25 · 17-02-2015 07:23AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Also Interesting point on Fellaini.

So Fellaini wants to play as striker?

I assume he means up front but not necessarily as a striker. Off the striker maybe.

Giggsy11 · 17-02-2015 07:31AM

L'prof wrote: »

I don't think it does to be honest. We're desperate to beat ye and knock ye out of the cup. Hoping to get to another final. I wouldn't mistake that for confidence though.

I dont know, whatever posts I have read are about how poor we are and how great Arsenal are. Not wrong to be confident but something's not right considering our form against Arsenal even with Moyes.

KH25 wrote: »

I assume he means up front but not necessarily as a striker. Off the striker maybe.

Yeah, I can see Van Gaal playing him there.

newballsplease · 17-02-2015 07:41AM

So its Fellaini Janazaj Mata and possibly Rooney looking to play the Number 10 role?!
Herrara Must start now in every game surely. He has def earned his place.

KH25 · 17-02-2015 07:43AM

I hope rooney did enough last night to justify playing him as a forward for the rest of the season. I thought his movement was very good and that's something we have been lacking. We also looked more comfortable using wing play so I hope to see more of that in the coming games. We are going too narrow at times.

Mantis Toboggan · 17-02-2015 08:16AM

So another dour boring performance from the boys in red but another win. Things looked like hitting disaster point at one stage when it looked like Preston would go 2 up. They completely outplayed and out fought us at times. That's Cambridge, mk dons, yevoil and now Preston of lower level opposition that we've struggled with recently.

Thought Shaw showed potential everytime he got forward but didn't do it enough. Smalling was solid at the back. Di Maria showed well, found space regularly but his final ball was poor. Great to have Rooney back upfront. Falcao simply isn't playing good enough at the moment. I'd like to see Rooney play upfront on his own.

Great to have Herrara back in the starting team. Didn't have his best game was poor in the first half but improved as the game went on a good to see him get his goal.

Game changed with Young coming on and shoving Fellaini going up top. This seems to be our most effective weapon. It's good to have Young back, he's seems to offer something different.

Any date confirmed for the Arsenal game?

Backstreet Moyes · 17-02-2015 08:33AM

I remember Fellaini two times of the top of my head ripping us apart in the no.10 role for Everton.

Last night we looked toothless with Falcao dropping deep and not being able to do anything. The minute Fellaini went up he won everything with his strength and height and made us so more dangerous. I think it's time we started him behind a striker.

I actually think Falcao is a world class striker but what use is he when he gets literally no service. I am sure Falcao will probably end up at Chelsea or somewhere and bang in 20 plus goals next season. But with the dirt football we are playing right now then Fellaini is probably our best option for now.

Lovely Bloke · 17-02-2015 08:39AM

Falcoa's pace is the issue, or lack of it, he is not scaring defences like you'd expect someone of his reputation would do.

I remember watching him taking through balls, played from the midfield or inside forwards, Falcoa off the shoulder of the centre halves, devastating pace and thunderous finishes - that's gone from his game.

It's not that he's not getting that service, it's that the players won't play those balls for him because it's a waste of time. As we saw when he went off, the players on the pitch are well capable of playing balls forward to the strikers.

Unless something drastic happens with Falcoa's knees then signing him permanently is a total waste of time and money.

Backstreet Moyes · 17-02-2015 08:48AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Falcoa's pace is the issue, or lack of it, he is not scaring defences like you'd expect someone of his reputation would do.

I remember watching him taking through balls, played from the midfield or inside forwards, Falcoa off the shoulder of the centre halves, devastating pace and thunderous finishes - that's gone from his game.

It's not that he's not getting that service, it's that the players won't play those balls for him because it's a waste of time. As we saw when he went off, the players on the pitch are well capable of playing balls forward to the strikers.

Unless something drastic happens with Falcoa's knees then signing him permanently is a total waste of time and money.

We got balls forward because Herrera and Fellaini moved to their best positions and Young offered width. Falcao is a world class striker and has to drop 30 yards from goal with his back to goal to get a touch of the ball. He is getting no service at all if he does he will score.

Mantis Toboggan · 17-02-2015 08:53AM

Falcao seems to have lost his pace. Don't think it's anything to do with the service, he just seems to have lost something since the injuries. He doesn't seem to have a trick either to get away from defenders (zola) or the intelligence (sheringham/Bergkamp) of movement and quick thinking to make up for lack of pace. For some reason though his first touch is woeful.

Giggsy11 · 17-02-2015 09:04AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

We got balls forward because Herrera and Fellaini moved to their best positions and Young offered width. Falcao is a world class striker and has to drop 30 yards from goal with his back to goal to get a touch of the ball. He is getting no service at all if he does he will score.

Falcao was out paced by every defender in every game. There is no use playing the ball into the space for him to run as it's almost sure he won't reach it. There was a difference when Rooney was making the run and Falcao.

keane2097 · 17-02-2015 09:19AM

Is there anything more enjoyable than reading pages of arguments about the rules from people who obviously didn't bother to read them?

Spazdarn · 17-02-2015 09:22AM

I agree with both sides on this he's definitely not as explosive as he used to be, but his he's never played back to goal as much as he is now.

At this stage I wouldn't pay 20 million for him, and I'm somewhat of a Falcao fanboy

MojoRisinnnn · 17-02-2015 09:31AM

The biggest mistake Falcao made was rushing to return from injury to try and make the World Cup squad, he is quite clearly past his best and can't even do the basics right compared to Fellaini who held the ball up so well and caused havoc for the centre half before turning and getting his shot away, Falcao couldn't even get close to this and should be dropped for the rest of the season, RVP and Falcao are cruising through games on merit at this stage and really should be dropped, Rooney and Fellaini should start up to for the remaining games.

Maximus Alexander · 17-02-2015 09:37AM

keane2097 wrote: »

Is there anything more enjoyable than reading pages of arguments about the rules from people who obviously didn't bother to read them?

It's a really straightforward rule, I never understand the fuss made over it.

The Moldy Gowl · 17-02-2015 09:37AM

I saw this on reddit last night.

Fellainis' best position is match winner.

bangkok · 17-02-2015 09:40AM

everyone banging on about falcaos pace, he was never a lightning fast forward, ever, he was just a lethal finisher in the box. He is getting zero service at the moment as we are playing football that is not easy on the eye to put it mildly. Currently we only look like scoring when we put the big man up front and try to get the 2nd ball

The Moldy Gowl · 17-02-2015 09:49AM

bangkok wrote: »

everyone banging on about falcaos pace, he was never a lightning fast forward, ever, he was just a lethal finisher in the box. He is getting zero service at the moment as we are playing football that is not easy on the eye to put it mildly. Currently we only look like scoring when we put the big man up front and try to get the 2nd ball

That big man can go up front any day he wants.

Brilliant up there. He is big, strong, fairly good with his feet, lovely elbows. I would be happy with him being up front for a while.

dor843088 · 17-02-2015 09:54AM

Fellaini is a one trick pony. But he does it well which is more than you could say for a fair few players atm. I saw Falcao hang his head literally after 20 mins of play. He looks a shadow of himself , the harder he tries the worse it gets for him. I cant help thinking what could have been with him..

bangkok · 17-02-2015 10:00AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

That big man can go up front any day he wants.

Brilliant up there. He is big, strong, fairly good with his feet, lovely elbows. I would be happy with him being up front for a while.

wouldn't go that far, benzema is brilliant, messi is brilliant, aguero is brilliant, fellaini is a nuisance, he does a job against poor opposition he will get you the odd goal here or there but against better opposition they will contain him.

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