Tim Sherwood Confirmed As New Aston Villa Manager

BMMachine wrote: »

so... a friend of mine did this

Last of the big spenders. :pac:

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I think this fella is a complete spoofer.

I wouldn't like to see Villa go down, but this choice could well send them there. He might provide a short-term boost, but after the honeymoon period ends and the going gets tough I can see him cracking.

I don't think posts like this help any discussion, buzzwords like spoofer do not actually say anything.

He had a pretty good win percentage at Tottenham, his only managerial job to date. What about his team did you see that you thought meant those stats didn't reflect the true situation? People talked about him being tactically inept, and his tactics surely were very simple, rather than particularly complex, but if this is a bad thing, why were the results going well?

Like it isn't as if his side were eventually found out, they finished the season with 4 wins and 1 draw from the last 6 games.

What I saw as being the biggest issue with his Tottenham side was an inability to tactically go toe to toe with the really good teams where that bit more was required. You could argue that wouldn't be such a problem for a team like Villa where those games probably won't be where the points are expected to be taken anyway.

CSF wrote: »

I don't think posts like this help any discussion, buzzwords like spoofer do not actually say anything.

He had a pretty good win percentage at Tottenham, his only managerial job to date. What about his team did you see that you thought meant those stats didn't reflect the true situation? People talked about him being tactically inept, and his tactics surely were very simple, rather than particularly complex, but if this is a bad thing, why were the results going well?

Like it isn't as if his side were eventually found out, they finished the season with 4 wins and 1 draw from the last 6 games.

What I saw as being the biggest issue with his Tottenham side was an inability to tactically go toe to toe with the really good teams where that bit more was required. You could argue that wouldn't be such a problem for a team like Villa where those games probably won't be where the points are expected to be taken anyway.

Forgive me, I didn't realise 'spoofer' was a buzzword. Will 'charlatan' suffice as an alternative?

The man hypes up his win rate at Tottenham but omits that his loss rate was just as striking. He lost more matches than Ramos, Santini, Jol, Redknapp, Pochettino and AVB.

His tactics were too simplistic and while you can get away with that to some extent with the talent pool he had at Spurs, the Villa job will require a much more nuanced approach. I don't see any evidence that he possesses these attributes.

pavb2 wrote: »

Well now I know what a gilet is what's the difference between this and a body warmer

Zilch

The thing to remember is that there's plenty of people out there who will complain just for the sake of it.
He's done nothing to show that he's a bad manager, anything anyone says to suggest that is just going on pure guesswork.

COYVB wrote: »

Because there's a squad there that just needs the absolute most basic management to pull it out of the bottom, and Sherwood's record is actually about as good as Villa could possibly hope to get in a new manager?

Lambert would have achieved that target. He just needed the return to form of a couple of key players.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Forgive me, I didn't realise 'spoofer' was a buzzword. Will 'charlatan' suffice as an alternative?

The man hypes up his win rate at Tottenham but omits that his loss rate was just as striking. He lost more matches than Ramos, Santini, Jol, Redknapp, Pochettino and AVB.

His tactics were too simplistic and while you can get away with that to some extent with the talent pool he had at Spurs, the Villa job will require a much more nuanced approach. I don't see any evidence that he possesses these attributes.

Spoofer is a buzzword, charlatan also. Talking about football is much better. We're doing it now, much better.

Loss rate and win rates are grand stats all the same, but points percentage is much better. To throw a more relevant stat out there that might put some perspective on Sherwood's career to date (and to clarify, I share your concerns about his simplistic style), with his points percentage from his career to date, a team would be third in the Premiership, ahead of the much lauded Koeman's Southampton.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are questions there. He still has some learning to do, and will have to learn how to go toe to toe with some of the master technicians of the Premier League a little better. Some of his conduct certainly hasn't helped him, and his brash tone, the same as Harry Redknapp.

But outright dismissals of him are nonsense, everything the man has done so far results wise has been outstanding.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The game against Liverpool where Rodgers convincingly won the tactical battle highlighted how out of his depth Sherwood really was. Too much emphasis on attack, players out of position, etc. You can get away with that to some extent at Spurs who are expected to do well against 'lesser teams', but at Villa he is at a team who will be scrapping with teams around their level or above.

This is what would concern me if I were a Villa fan because whenever Sherwood was up against a team around Spurs's level, you feared the worst. Ultimately that's what cost him the Spurs job.

As someone said earlier, this is not the job for a man massively lacking in experience.

He beat United at Old Trafford, beat an in form Everton side who were getting the hype of the world from the media too.

The problem was in a big game, against a superior team, when Tottenham went behind, they pushed too hard to get back into the game, rather than staying tight and waiting patiently for the chance to come. When you don't get the goal in that situation you can get picked off something nasty and they did.

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Care to explain your reason for calling him a woeful manager?

Sure. In his time at Spurs his side looked devoid of ideas or purpose, I'd say toothless would be a fair way to describe them. On top of that his cartoonish antics on the touchline and in interviews only drew more negative attention to his team. When you see what Pochetinno is doing with basically the same group of players it's fairly obvious that Sherwood was incapable of getting the best from them. He seems like he's full of passion and might inspire some people with his sheer energy but I can't remember being overly impressed with him tactically.

CSF wrote: »

Based on average points score would be about 5 points better off than Pocchetino at this stage of the season.

Pocchetino has a Spanish sounding sorta name though so you've no hope of getting AIG to see reason here.

That's an odd statement, I mean from that I'd have to believe that you think that Sherwood is a better manager than Pochettino? Is the really the case?

One has done a good job at Espanyol, had an excellent time at Southampton and has begun to turn around a Spurs side that, last season, had been pretty dire. Sherwood managed to pick up points, though against bigger clubs his side looked toothless and there didn't seem to be much semblance of a plan. In comparison, you can clearly see that Pochettino is working towards something, that his tenure is a project with a defined style of play and an end goal. I would also argue that Mauricio Pochettino has taken Spurs to a cup final.

CSF wrote: »

I actually don't think we can make an accurate call on Sherwood. His team's don't look great but to date he has gotten results better than most of the managers we're gonna compare him to, including Pocchetino.

Give it another a year or so, and see how he does over a larger sample size, but so far so good.

Perhaps there does need to be a larger sample size but equally saying he is a better manager than a genuinely gifted manager like Pochettino is madness. Also bringing up his points total as an argument is ridiculous, given that you yourself have outlined the small sample size of games we are working with, it's the equivalent of saying that Avram Grant is one of the great modern day managers based on his record as Chelsea boss. In my opinion, I feel very confident in saying Sherwood will be more Grant than Mourinho.

Norwich beat Villa 2-0 on the final day of the 11/12 season - Lambert appointed next Villa manager
Spurs beat Villa 3-0 on the final day of the 13/14 season - Sherwood appointed next Villa manager

I really hope Lerner gets to more than one game a season...

With Premier league football at stake I just dont see why Villa needed to take a gamble on Tim Sherwood.

Putting everything aside, he has only 5 months experience. It may pay off but its a big risk.