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Backstreet Moyes · 12-02-2015 10:13AM

It's annoying me with Rooney all these cross field balls. Hoofing it in the air accross the field where it slows down the play. At least Herrera looked forward and passed it along the ground. Rooney is like Scholes without the accuracy, the speed of passing and the goal threat. Get the man further up the field right now he is the biggest problem in the side.

The football has got much worse the last few games.

MagicIRL · 12-02-2015 10:13AM

I don't recall a game this season where Evans has looked in any way comfortable on the ball?

*I'm basing this on highlights of last night's games and general online reports.

bangkok · 12-02-2015 10:15AM

van gaal will be lucky if he is still at the club longer than 2 years, he is void of ideas, playing players in wrong positions knowing full well it is doing the team no good, some of the fans starting to turn on him last night

Will I Amnt · 12-02-2015 10:17AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

It's annoying me with Rooney all these cross field balls. Hoofing it in the air accross the field where it slows down the play. At least Herrera looked forward and passed it along the ground. Rooney is like Scholes without the accuracy, the speed of passing and the goal threat. Get the man further up the field right now he is the biggest problem in the side.

The football has got much worse the last few games.

Rooney in midfield is the single biggest factor in the football being so bad.
I'm sure van Gaal knows it but will have to wait until it looks like he didn't just change it because everybody else is saying it.

Lord TSC · 12-02-2015 10:22AM

I'm curious as to if it's LVG wants Rooney playing but doesn't like him as a striker so is "retraining" him, or if it's Rooney not wanting to compete with RVP and Falcao and demanding that deeper role.

Either way, mind, it's not working, but I wonder who the driving force in it is.

bangkok · 12-02-2015 10:22AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Rooney in midfield is the single biggest factor in the football being so bad.
I'm sure van Gaal knows it but will have to wait until it looks like he didn't just change it because everybody else is saying it.

and this guy is meant to be the manager!!

Leroy42 · 12-02-2015 10:23AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I'm sure van Gaal knows it but will have to wait until it looks like he didn't just change it because everybody else is saying it.

See I don't think he does see it. He moved Rooney in DM last night! Then came out after the game and said it was good for nobody!

Why do it then. The dogs on the street could tell you that whatever about Rooney being able to play MF he is not even a close relative of a DM.

I think LVG is just hoping that these players are good enough to be able to pull off any position with a degree of capability and thus he moves them to a position that sees them perform at a basic level but of course robs the team of the natural strenght in their real position.

The fact that Evans/Smalling continue to play so poorly, after LVG has been the manager for 6 months is terrible.

Will I Amnt · 12-02-2015 10:25AM

bangkok wrote: »

and this guy is meant to be the manager!!

People have egos, the more successful can often have the biggest egos.

12-02-2015 10:27AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

What has gone wrong with Evans besides Ferdinand over the last 5 or 6 years he looked the most natural defender we had with the ball at his feet. Now he can;t make a 5 yard pass and before he used to take the ball out of defence now he looks like he doesn;t want the ball at all.

Yet again, I'm not sure if people just aren't watching but Evans ran out of defense a couple of times yesterday and does it quite a bit, played some lovely pinpoint passes out to Di Maria from left to right in the 2nd half too. There seems to be a witchhunt on him while others get off relatively scot-free. There was one goal conceded in the game and that was mainly down to Rojo allowing a cross in and Smalling running away from the ball. Evans adds far more to attack than Smalling and a lot more than Jones, who can get forward a bit. His mistakes are mainly positional and communication based which makes sense given he's been moved around the back 4 more than anyone this season. Give him 3 or 4 games in a row in 1 position and you'll see him get better. Smalling seemed to get worse through his run earlier in the season on the other hand

bangkok · 12-02-2015 10:27AM

"not good for wayne, not good for the team"

van gaal straight after the game on rooney midfield

Later on in the press conference

"I have to look for the better balance and I think until now because of Rooney we have a better balance in midfield," he said.

"I was very pleased how he replaced Daley Blind in the number six position.

"He showed composure and of course he was also today the Rooney that I want to see but he has showed that he can play in every position.

"Maybe he can better play in a striker's position but then I have a problem in midfield."

bangkok · 12-02-2015 10:28AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

People have egos, the more successful can often have the biggest egos.

well imo his ego wont last long at the club, he is getting basic stuff wrong and the tide inside the stadium has now started to turn

Will I Amnt · 12-02-2015 10:30AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

The fact that Evans/Smalling continue to play so poorly, after LVG has been the manager for 6 months is terrible.

Maybe they just aren't as good as we thought, throw Jones in there too. They aren't out of position, just been sh*te. Can you really blame LvG for Jonny Evans not being able to play a 5 yard pass?

Will I Amnt · 12-02-2015 10:32AM

bangkok wrote: »

well imo his ego wont last long at the club, he is getting basic stuff wrong and the tide inside the stadium has now started to turn

It's only my take on it, I could be way off the mark. The stadium starting to turn part is rubbish; results keep people happy at the end of the day.

Will I Amnt · 12-02-2015 10:35AM

Liam O wrote: »

Yet again, I'm not sure if people just aren't watching but Evans ran out of defense a couple of times yesterday and does it quite a bit, played some lovely pinpoint passes out to Di Maria from left to right in the 2nd half too. There seems to be a witchhunt on him while others get off relatively scot-free. There was one goal conceded in the game and that was mainly down to Rojo allowing a cross in and Smalling running away from the ball. Evans adds far more to attack than Smalling and a lot more than Jones, who can get forward a bit. His mistakes are mainly positional and communication based which makes sense given he's been moved around the back 4 more than anyone this season. Give him 3 or 4 games in a row in 1 position and you'll see him get better. Smalling seemed to get worse through his run earlier in the season on the other hand

Evans was absolute rubbish last night, in keeping with his performances over the course of the season. How you can still defend him is beyond me.

Pro. F · 12-02-2015 10:37AM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Just on that goal - bit of a moot point - but looking at the replay of it it's unreal how far out of position Evans was. It was a great ball and Smalling did a poor job of tracking Ings run but Evans was about 6-10 yards away from the rest of the line. Had Kightly taken on and beaten McNair instead of crossing, there was no one covering him at all. And that's just one example of how all over the place the line was. Look at the best sides in the world at defending (i.e. mainly Mourinho's Chelsea sides) and how close the center backs are to each other when the opposition have the ball. At least when the cross comes in you have a 2 v 1 advantage where the gap is so small that the striker doesn't get a chance on the ball.

(I think you mean Rojo being beaten, he was the defender trying to block the cross.)

Some of the replay packages don't go back far enough on that Ings goal. Evans was up the pitch because he was picking up the opposition player who received the ball with no United midfielder on him; the ball got played backwards, then out to the wing; so Evans was getting back, while also keeping an eye on the two free Burnley midfielders making runs into the box. He had a poor game, but I wouldn't criticise him for that goal.

Imo you would see the near side CB on Chelsea, or any well organised defence, going out of the line like that regularly enough. The two centre-backs can't always stay near the goal. Whenever there's a gap further along, the defence moves up or across to fill it. We still would have had a two vs one advantage in front of the goal when the cross came in if McNair had tucked in behind Smalling like he was supposed to.

Edit: Since I see so many people complaining about Evans I'll reiterate something I said last night. All of our defenders struggled because the defence was so disrupted. You cannot make so many changes to a defence and expect them to play like normal.

homerjay2005 · 12-02-2015 10:39AM

bangkok wrote: »

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"Maybe he can better play in a striker's position but then I have a problem in midfield."

im sorry, but considering he spent £150million in the summer this is completely unacceptable, even including the injury to Carrick.

he has Herrera available, so f*cking use him. there was massive joy when we went off and splashed cash galore towards the end of the window, but the reality is we still need to spend another £100m+ to sort out the mess that has become of our first team.

as i see it, there are currently only 7 positions of our first 11 filled. at the moment, i cannot see Falcao staying so i think unbelievelably, we are going to need to buy another striker in the summer.

De Gea

RB

CB

Rojo

Shaw

Carrick/Blind/Herrera

CM

Winger

Di Maria

Rooney

RVP/Falcao/New Striker

we need a Right Back, Center Back, Winger, Center Mid and possibly a new striker which is going to cost serious cash again this year.

if we dont get Nani back, then sell him and also Hernandez and we should get some cash also for Rafael and one from Evans and Jones (or both) so those 4 or 5 sales should get us about £30m-£40m back in which may cover a new RB and winger to start anyway.

aperture_nuig · 12-02-2015 10:46AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

im sorry, but considering he spent £150million in the summer this is completely unacceptable, even including the injury to Carrick.

he has Herrera available, so f*cking use him. there was massive joy when we went off and splashed cash galore towards the end of the window, but the reality is we still need to spend another £100m+ to sort out the mess that has become of our first team.

as i see it, there are currently only 7 positions of our first 11 filled. at the moment, i cannot see Falcao staying so i think unbelievelably, we are going to need to buy another striker in the summer.
De Gea
RB
CB
Rojo
Shaw
Carrick/Blind/Herrera
CM

Winger
Di Maria
Rooney
RVP/Falcao/New Striker

we need a Right Back, Center Back, Winger, Center Mid and possibly a new striker which is going to cost serious cash again this year.

if we dont get Nani back, then sell him and also Hernandez and we should get some cash also for Rafael and one from Evans and Jones (or both) so those 4 or 5 sales should get us about £30m-£40m back in which may cover a new RB and winger to start anyway.

I completely agree, only point I'd make is that I think McNair has filled in very well at RB for us.

homerjay2005 · 12-02-2015 10:48AM

aperture_nuig wrote: »

I completely agree, only point I'd make is that I think McNair has filled in very well at RB for us.

Cambridge and Burnley - needs perspective

bangkok · 12-02-2015 10:55AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

im sorry, but considering he spent £150million in the summer this is completely unacceptable, even including the injury to Carrick.

he has Herrera available, so f*cking use him. there was massive joy when we went off and splashed cash galore towards the end of the window, but the reality is we still need to spend another £100m+ to sort out the mess that has become of our first team.

as i see it, there are currently only 7 positions of our first 11 filled. at the moment, i cannot see Falcao staying so i think unbelievelably, we are going to need to buy another striker in the summer.
De Gea
RB
CB
Rojo
Shaw
Carrick/Blind/Herrera
CM

Winger
Di Maria
Rooney
RVP/Falcao/New Striker

we need a Right Back, Center Back, Winger, Center Mid and possibly a new striker which is going to cost serious cash again this year.

if we dont get Nani back, then sell him and also Hernandez and we should get some cash also for Rafael and one from Evans and Jones (or both) so those 4 or 5 sales should get us about £30m-£40m back in which may cover a new RB and winger to start anyway.

agree 100%

Spazdarn · 12-02-2015 10:56AM

I'm happy enough with McNair at RB actually, he doesn't spend half the game turning tail and playing it back to the keeper.

bangkok · 12-02-2015 10:56AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

It's only my take on it, I could be way off the mark. The stadium starting to turn part is rubbish; results keep people happy at the end of the day.

fans were cat calling and whistling at half time, van gaal even acknowledged it..

That's the first time I have heard that," Van Gaal said. "It was not good."

He added: "Yes, that is a concern because we are playing for fans. The fans are the most important part of the club, they keep the club living but they applaud after the match, always a match is 90 minutes not 45 minutes."

Backstreet Moyes · 12-02-2015 10:56AM

Liam O wrote: »

Yet again, I'm not sure if people just aren't watching but Evans ran out of defense a couple of times yesterday and does it quite a bit, played some lovely pinpoint passes out to Di Maria from left to right in the 2nd half too. There seems to be a witchhunt on him while others get off relatively scot-free. There was one goal conceded in the game and that was mainly down to Rojo allowing a cross in and Smalling running away from the ball. Evans adds far more to attack than Smalling and a lot more than Jones, who can get forward a bit. His mistakes are mainly positional and communication based which makes sense given he's been moved around the back 4 more than anyone this season. Give him 3 or 4 games in a row in 1 position and you'll see him get better. Smalling seemed to get worse through his run earlier in the season on the other hand

I can recall off the top of my head twice Evans gave the ball away while trying a simple pass and most of the time where he doddled on the ball and hoofed it away under pressure.

Paul Tergat · 12-02-2015 10:57AM

Spazdarn wrote: »

I'm happy enough with McNair at RB actually, he doesn't spend half the game turning tail and playing it back to the keeper.

I don't see him as a long term solution. He looks alright but it's not like when one of those players come through and you think he looks like first team material

Will I Amnt · 12-02-2015 11:00AM

bangkok wrote: »

fans were cat calling and whistling at half time, van gaal even acknowledged it..

That's the first time I have heard that," Van Gaal said. "It was not good."

He added: "Yes, that is a concern because we are playing for fans. The fans are the most important part of the club, they keep the club living but they applaud after the match, always a match is 90 minutes not 45 minutes."

Because of the poor football, not because they want the manager gone.

bangkok · 12-02-2015 11:03AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Because of the poor football, not because they want the manager gone.

poor football for the entire season and not a hint of it improving, that is 100% down to the manager especially when he is playing players in all sorts of wrong positions

Will I Amnt · 12-02-2015 11:04AM

bangkok wrote: »

poor football for the entire season and not a hint of it improving, that is 100% down to the manager especially when he is playing players in all sorts of wrong positions

They are not calling for his head whichever way you want to try and spin it.

Lovely Bloke · 12-02-2015 11:19AM

Longie van Baal wrote:

I have a problem in midfield."

Then play Herrera from the start!

12-02-2015 11:22AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

...
as i see it, there are currently only 7 positions of our first 11 filled. at the moment, i cannot see Falcao staying so i think unbelievelably, we are going to need to buy another striker in the summer.
De Gea
RB
CB
Rojo
Shaw
Carrick/Blind/Herrera
CM

Winger
Di Maria
Rooney
RVP/Falcao/New Striker

we need a Right Back, Center Back, Winger, Center Mid and possibly a new striker which is going to cost serious cash again this year.

if we dont get Nani back, then sell him and also Hernandez and we should get some cash also for Rafael and one from Evans and Jones (or both) so those 4 or 5 sales should get us about £30m-£40m back in which may cover a new RB and winger to start anyway.

Mata?

adox · 12-02-2015 11:23AM

bangkok wrote: »

the tide inside the stadium has now started to turn

Were you there last night(honest question) or anyone that was like to comment on the above?

Leroy42 · 12-02-2015 11:23AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Maybe they just aren't as good as we thought, throw Jones in there too. They aren't out of position, just been sh*te. Can you really blame LvG for Jonny Evans not being able to play a 5 yard pass?

He decided no tto buy anybody in the Jan transfer window. He didn't ned to buy a Hummerls etc, but he didn't think that another defender would make much difference.

He has seen these players in training for 6 months. If they are not good enough we should have replaced them, not matter how short term. If, on the other hand, he thinks they have something to offer, then it is his job as manager to maximise their ability.

Ask yourself, have they got better of worse under LvG? Apart from Young, there is no player that has got better

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