Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Nalz

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Really don't hope any utd fans boo.

Will really show them up for being spoilt

There was a small section behind me that did at half time, and to be honest I said to myself yeah they've a point. Rubbish football, they paid to see better committment and a much better performance. Not my style to boo and normally I'd be against it.

nicklauski

Where i watched it you could hear plenty of boos and groans at Evans. His constant hoofing and then messing up an unchallenged header putting it out for a corner was pretty special too.

Your Airbag

kryogen wrote: »

So you have no argument then.

Falcao for Wilson is like for like, RvP is more adept to playing the role he played when Wilson came on and both were ****e for much of the game.

I have a perfectly clear argument. You can't get it or disagree so you trot out a meaningless line.

Will I Amnt

The Falcao boos were Burnley fans, they booed him every time he touched it after the yellow card he picked up... which wasn't very much.

kryogen

adox wrote: »

I heard booing alright. At first I though it was Utd fans but then presumed it was the Burnely fans as he'd recently been booked for that arm up in the challenge in the air.

Also, because I didn't hear the Utd fans the whole game more or less, I decided it must have been the Burnley fans.

Ah there was jeers from the Burnley mob and plenty of WHO ARE YA's but I never thought any of it was from the United side

5starpool

They were saying boo-urns.

Will I Amnt

5starpool wrote: »

They were saying boo-urns.

Nah they were saying Boo-Uurn-Ley

kryogen

Your Airbag wrote: »

I have a perfectly clear argument. You can't get it or disagree so you trot out a meaningless line.

You are arguing that RvP should have come off instead of Falcao and that the reason he didn't was not a football one, the argument made to counter that is that RvP was more suited to playing the role required once the switch was made. You have said nothing to refute that. More then that in fact, there is nothing to refute that.

You just like to argue is all.

Enjoy

uncleoswald

I wonder if his solution to the defensive dodgyness today will me to revert to 3 at the back.

Your Airbag

Will I Amnt wrote: »

The Falcao boos were Burnley fans, they booed him every time he touched it after the yellow card he picked up... which wasn't very much.

This was pretty obvious from my stream too. It was the same area chanting what a waste of money as he was subbed off.

kryogen

uncleoswald wrote: »

I wonder if his solution to the defensive dodgyness today will me to revert to 3 at the back.

Na that made us less solid at the back, the players just aren't there for that with the stakes this high.

Balance that midfield and it would go a long way to improving team cohesion.

The_Kew_Tour

I was told that its a sign of great team that play poorly and still win.

What a team!

Honestly it was a bag of muck.

Timmyctc

5starpool wrote: »

They were saying boo-urns.

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Nah they were saying Boo-Uurn-Ley

Your Airbag

kryogen wrote: »

You are arguing that RvP should have come off instead of Falcao, the argument made to counter that is that RvP was more suited to playing the role required once the switch was made. You have said nothing to refute that. More then that in fact, there is nothing to refute that.

You just like to argue is all.

Enjoy

Lol, you jumped in a post of mine saying I have no argument. Its pretty clear your trying to start one. Not unusual for you to be passive aggressive and claim ignorance. Not that I give a toss.

Falcao fought hard and assisted the opener, had a better pass accuracy the RVP, I thought he was better, you disagree. Both were poor as were the entire team due to another bizaree line up.

Its a very simple point I made. Try harder next time.

kryogen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I was told that its a sign of great team that play poorly and still win.

What a team!

Honestly it was a bag of muck.

By hook or by crook

This season is all about getting back in the CL, it doesn't matter how ugly it is or painful, I can put up with it as long as the target is achieved.

If the performances don't improve next season assuming qualification I would be both surprised and very unhappy

kryogen

Your Airbag wrote: »

Lol, you jumped in a post of mine saying I have no argument. Its pretty clear your trying to start one. Not unusual for you to be passive aggressive and claim ignorance. Not that I give a toss.

Falcao fought hard and assisted the opener, had a better pass accuracy the RVP, I thought he was better, you disagree. Both were poor as were the entire team due to another bizaree line up.

Its a very simple point I made. Try harder next time.

I do disagree, and I disagree even more with the notion it was anything other then a football decision tonight. It made perfect sense to swap Wilson on for Falcao and not RvP.

Be snide all you like, it won't change simple reason.

Heres the re cap and last post of mine on the subject

You imply that Van Gaal favours RvP and thats why he hauls off Falcao, I respond by saying tonight the call was understandable as RvP is better at playing the role he was in after the sub then Falcao would have been. Falcao is an out and out striker, Van Persie has more experience dropping and drifting, it makes perfect sense to replace Falcao with Wilson who is going to try to stretch the defence and spear head the attack.

Look at it another way, you are playing Hernandez and Welbeck up front, you want to bring on Wilson, who do you think is the natural swap there?

You can fart around with anything else you like, you can try to move goal posts if you like.

Thats the argument in a nutshell.

Van Persie is very understandably more suited to the role of shadow striker then the ultimate number 9 that is, Falcao.

The decision to replace Falcao and not RvP is completely understandable in this scenario.

My last words on the subject.

The_Kew_Tour

kryogen wrote: »

By hook or by crook

This season is all about getting back in the CL, it doesn't matter how ugly it is or painful, I can put up with it as long as the target is achieved.

If the performances don't improve next season assuming qualification I would be both surprised and very unhappy

Oh I agree.

I will sit through paint dry for 90 minutes if it means we get top 4

Results are what its about.

But I'm still calling a spade a spade

Your Airbag

kryogen wrote: »

I do disagree, and I disagree even more with the notion it was anything other then a football decision tonight. It made perfect sense to swap Wilson on for Falcao and not RvP.

Be snide all you like, it won't change simple reason.

LVG has preffered RVP in other games when he has been shocking. Falcao given a lot less starts and chances than RVP when RVP was struggling. Its was clear and the general opinon was he had a preference for RVP. To think otherwise is naive.

Snide? You jump in a post telling me i have no argument and accuse me of always starting rows and I'm the snide one. Good one.

I ain't taking the bait. Its very poor bait in fariness.

kryogen

Your Airbag wrote: »

LVG has preffered RVP in other games when he has been shocking. Falcao given a lot less starts and chances than RVP when RVP was struggling. Its was cler and the general opinon he had a preference for RVP. To think otherwise is naive.

Snide? You jump in a post telling me i have no argument and accuse me of always starting rows and I'm the snide one. Good one.

I ain't taking the bait. Its very poor bait in fariness.

I already answered this, I didnt say you had no argument. I said there was no issue with the sub tonight, thats the key word there. Tonight. For fairness since I edited my other post I will respond to you again to tell you to read it, then actually go read the other posts since you are under the impression I told you originally you had no argument.

I said that after you did not refute anything I said in the original post.

kryogen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Oh I agree.

I will sit through paint dry for 90 minutes if it means we get top 4

Results are what its about.

But I'm still calling a spade a spade

Dead right, it is painful to watch games right now, but there was a point earlier in the season where I remember taking some pleasure in a game or two so Im holding on to that to get me through the tough times

Your Airbag

kryogen wrote: »

I already answered this, I didnt say you had no argument. I said there was no issue with the sub tonight, thats the key word there. Tonight. For fairness since I edited my other post I will respond to you again to tell you to read it, then actually go read the other posts since you are under the impression I told you originally you had no argument.

I said that after you did not refute anything I said in the original post.

Quite clearly you did

kryogen wrote: »

So you have no argument then.

Falcao for Wilson is like for like, RvP is more adept to playing the role he played when Wilson came on and both were ****e for much of the game.

Maybe you meant to put a question mark there.

You said Enjoy, later, earlier on as if to drop it. Thats the road the rest of this back and forth should definitetly take.

Your Airbag

LVG interview. Rightly says we were not good, got lucky and acknowledges the fans whistles at half time and says they were right.

Explains Rooney switch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_MJbSrSz4s

keeponhurling

Very honest interview.

United didn't win many 50/50 balls in the first half and it nearly cost them

We're shít, but we're also 3rd in the league with only 1 defeat in the last 18!

user2011

The only game without the optimistic spectacles on was the Spurs game. Before and since it's been a pile of ..... on reflection.

The Yeovil game was a long the lines of the Fulham game which turned me totally against Moyes, from there, it hasn't got any better it's got worse but somehow he/them have managed to hang around the top 4, I don't think if come the end of the season if top 4 is not achieved he should still be there (I'm struggling hard with this).

The stuff that is getting played is unbelievable in the worse sense, totally sad saying that with regards LVG and the players that we have at the club.

I said in the match thread I'll say here, it's a chore to watch United play football.

Your Airbag

stankratz wrote: »

We're shít, but we're also 3rd in the league with only 1 defeat in the last 18!

Weve been sh1t for too long now, thats the worrying thing. The same poor team seletions week in week out.

We got lucky in the last two games but will that last? If our luck turns in the run in we could be in trouble.

Its not too much to expect a sensible team selection and a bit of fight from the players.

user2011

If I was picking the team tonight I would of had Blind LB and Herrera and Fell CM Rojo CB and Rooney or Falcao striker. Two striker up top and Rooney in mid is a pile of bollocks. Would of had Young in instead of Adnan and Mata in for Rooney or Falcao.

DE Gea

McNair Jones Rojo Blind
Young Herrera Fell ADM
Mata
Rooney/Falcao

Rayne Wooney

stankratz wrote: »

We're shít, but we're also 3rd in the league with only 1 defeat in the last 18!

Pro. F

I thought Januzaj did quite well tonight, and he deserves more credit than he's getting. He took on and beat defenders regularly. He lost the ball a few times, but not so often as to be a problem. The majority of the time he made good choices to either keep possession by passing backwards, or else put in a decent final ball. Di Maria had a decent game as well I thought.

Rooney and Hererra looked to be working well together in the second half, but that might have been a lot to do with Burnley tiring.

Smalling and, especially, Evans looked all over the place at times, but you have to expect that with such disruption at the back. You just cannot make that many changes and have defenders in for their first game in weeks and expect them to be comfortable. It just does not work that way.

Smalling got roasted for Ings goal, but Ings' movement is class, he'll do that to a lot of centre-backs. McNair was out of position for the goal, he should have been tucking in behind Smalling so the CF couldn't run free behind him. But again, it will take McNair a few games to get up to speed. He was good going forward, much better than Valencia.

homerjay2005

adox wrote: »

I heard booing alright. At first I though it was Utd fans but then presumed it was the Burnely fans as he'd recently been booked for that arm up in the challenge in the air.

Also, because I didn't hear the Utd fans the whole game more or less, I decided it must have been the Burnley fans.

that was the away fans, they were singing what a waste of money as he was coming off. Falcao is absolutely loved by United fans, no way he would be booed.

jeez we were terrible for about 60 minutes, as bad as we played all year. just like QPR and West Ham we woke up as the game went on and did ok, but overall we were putrid.

As to how Adnan keeps getting selected, ill never know, the boy is seriously lacking something that is preventing him becoming a top class player. very average again tonight and wasted the ball time and time again apart from 2 or 3 decent things in a 15 minute period in the 2nd half. alot of fans have lost patience with him and you can sense the frustration everytime he gives away the ball.

biggest cheer of the night apart from the goals was Herrera coming on - clear message to LVG sent.

i aint seen what happened Jones, anybody know what the injury was? Blind was a head injury i think, he looked a bit dazed walking off.