40 Irish fighters are in ISIS, claims former member

wes · 11-02-2015 01:51PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Last I checked the current government enjoys majority support.

Sure, just like Bashar Al Assad does............ :rolleyes: or like that totally free and fair referendum in the Crimea......

Its really easy to win elections, when your murder and jail the opposition.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2015 02:01PM

wes wrote: »

Now, now, we all know that the Muslim Brotherhood were involved in terrorism in the past, thats well established. What also well established is that when they were elected, they had renounced violence and haven't been involved in any terrorism for years.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11171979/Downing-Street-set-to-crack-down-on-the-Muslim-Brotherhood.html

Now now let's wait for the report.

Wacker The Attacker · 11-02-2015 02:08PM

Cork people finally get the chance to justify the "rebel" tag

wes · 11-02-2015 02:08PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11171979/Downing-Street-set-to-crack-down-on-the-Muslim-Brotherhood.html

Now now let's wait for the report.

Well, looks like we may have to wait a while, as from your own article:

Sir John’s review was completed in July but has not yet been published. It has been claimed that it was delayed because it stopped short of recommending the Brotherhood be outlawed.

So, what we have is a report that hasn't been published, that the article you link suggests (per rumours) that the organization shouldn't be outlawed according to the unpublished report, probably because links to violence simply couldn't be proven. Now, we don't know the contents of the article, and all we have is a rumour, so we don't know either way I supppse.

Now, lets be honest now, at this point in time, the Muslim Brotherhood is done as an organization, and there is still no evidence to suggest they were supporting Islamist fighters at the time of the coup (as I said before they have most certainly been violent in the past) or that Mr. Halawa was aware of any such activity, and as per his own actions he was protesting against an illegal and bloody military coup. So again 0 evidence to support the suggestion that Mr Halawa was supporting Islamist fighters.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2015 02:09PM

wes wrote: »

Sure, just like Bashar Al Assad does............ :rolleyes: or like that totally free and fair referendum in the Crimea......

Its really easy to win elections, when your murder and jail the opposition.

....and your point is valid because circumstances are the same...
Are you that nescient of what happened in Egypt

Although an old article, 94% support for the army...
http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21580533-egyptian-army-widespread-popular-support-has-ended-presidency-muhammad-morsi

wes · 11-02-2015 02:16PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

....and your point is valid because circumstances are the same...
Are you that nescient of what happened in Egypt

Although an old article, 94% support for the army...
http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21580533-egyptian-army-widespread-popular-support-has-ended-presidency-muhammad-morsi

Get back to me when there are free and fair elections (ones where the opposition isn't murdered, jailed and banned to stop them running, and I am not just talking about the Brotherhood here), and I will happily accept the existence of "popular support". Sorry, but approval ratings are no substitute for free and fair elections. Odd that the junta hasn't held any..... Doubly odd that all opposition secular and otherwise have been arrested.

I doubt there would be much support in an free and fair election as the junta has you know arrested various secularist etc who were protesting Mursi as well. The fact remain there has not been a free and fair election in Egypt, so I don't see how we can actually establish if there was actually popular support, especially as there were rather large protests against the military junta, which were suppressed by the mass murder and arrests of protesters. Now, why you choose to ignore those facts is beyond me.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2015 03:16PM

wes wrote: »

Get back to me when there are free and fair elections (ones where the opposition isn't murdered, jailed and banned to stop them running, and I am not just talking about the Brotherhood here), and I will happily accept the existence of "popular support". Sorry, but approval ratings are no substitute for free and fair elections. Odd that the junta hasn't held any..... Doubly odd that all opposition secular and otherwise have been arrested.

I doubt there would be much support in an free and fair election as the junta has you know arrested various secularist etc who were protesting Mursi as well. The fact remain there has not been a free and fair election in Egypt, so I don't see how we can actually establish if there was actually popular support, especially as there were rather large protests against the military junta, which were suppressed by the mass murder and arrests of protesters. Now, why you choose to ignore those facts is beyond me.

We'll touch base when you take your head out of your ass and deal with all facts however incompatible they are with your agenda.
There was an election in 2014

wes · 11-02-2015 03:34PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

We'll touch base when you take your head out of your ass and deal with all facts however incompatible they are with your agenda.
There was an election in 2014

Yes, and Assad holds elections all the time as well. No one in there right mind however, would call them free and fair.......

The only one who needs to remove something from a place where the sun doesn't shine is not me. It also rather sad, that you have chosen to resort to being so crass and childish. Shows me there really is no point in bothering anymore, and I may as well throw the same nonsense as well.

So care to explain how an election where the opposition secular and Islamist alike are jailed and killed can be considered fair exactly? Come on now, you have chosen to ignore that fact, that I have repeated time and time again.

Seriously, the farcical lengths you have gone to, to defend what is clearly a murderous military junta is hugely amusing.

conorhal · 11-02-2015 04:18PM

wes wrote: »

Yes, and Assad holds elections all the time as well. No one in there right mind however, would call them free and fair.......

The only one who needs to remove something from a place where the sun doesn't shine is not me. It also rather sad, that you have chosen to resort to being so crass and childish. Shows me there really is no point in bothering anymore, and I may as well throw the same nonsense as well.

So care to explain how an election where the opposition secular and Islamist alike are jailed and killed can be considered fair exactly? Come on now, you have chosen to ignore that fact, that I have repeated time and time again.

Seriously, the farcical lengths you have gone to, to defend what is clearly a murderous military junta is hugely amusing.

It's the Muslim Brotherhood that are largely responsible for the state of things in Syria, Asad's grandfather and father were by all accounts moderate reformers that wanted to created a secular modern Syrian state, it was those 'democratic' MB loons and their repeated assination attempts that created the paranoid dictatorship that Syria became because the Assad's weren't eager to pander to their demands for an Islamist constitution so they tried terrorism instead. Syria would be a very different place but for the Muslim Brotherhood.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2015 04:23PM

wes wrote: »

Yes, and Assad holds elections all the time as well. No one in there right mind however, would call them free and fair.......

The only one who needs to remove something from a place where the sun doesn't shine is not me. It also rather sad, that you have chosen to resort to being so crass and childish. Shows me there really is no point in bothering anymore, and I may as well throw the same nonsense as well.

So care to explain how an election where the opposition secular and Islamist alike are jailed and killed can be considered fair exactly? Come on now, you have chosen to ignore that fact, that I have repeated time and time again.

Seriously, the farcical lengths you have gone to, to defend what is clearly a murderous military junta is hugely amusing.

I'm not defending them, I wouldn't like to live there, other than for some of the climate, I'm merely calling it as it is.
I've no agenda, merely a suspicion of other's. "Murderous" they may be, but they're a lot better than the crowd they threw out, and the majority of the population support what they did.
So away with you and your ideals of what democracy is and isn't , your obviously biased view of its abuse, and your patronising attitude towards the rights of Egyptian people.
And take your umbrage with you.

wes · 11-02-2015 05:02PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

"Murderous" they may be, but they're a lot better than the crowd they threw out,

I fail to see how there any better exactly.

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

and the majority of the population support what they did.

I'll believe that, when I see Al Sisi contest free and fair election without jailing and killing the opposition.

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

So away with you and your ideals of what democracy is and isn't , your obviously biased view of its abuse, and your patronising attitude towards the rights of Egyptian people.
And take your umbrage with you.

What a load of tripe. I am not the one with a patronizing view of Egyptians. I respect there right to vote in there own leaders in free and fair elections. I don't call military junta's that violated that right by removing a democratically (yes unpopular) elected government, and then violating it further by not holding free and fair elections.

If the Muslim Brotherhood, were as unpopular as you said, then there was no need for murders and arrests, as free and fair elections would have seen them swiftly kicked out, which I think would have been likely been kicked out as well. So ask yourself this then, why all the violence against them then? They would have likely lost a new election, so why not hold a free and fair one then? Its pretty clear that the military regime that lost power saw an opportunity to grab power and did exactly that.

Thats pretty laughable high horse you have gotten on there. The military junta are the ones who made a mockery of democracy and have violated the rights of the Egyptian people. They have murdered people in the street, jailed anyone who disagrees.

As for my ideal on democracy, well you know free and fair elections tend to be the norm for that. You on the other hand seem to consider a military junta a democracy.

As for your umbrage, well I see that as a good thing, as anyone who thinks a military junta are in anyway democratic, is someone I am happy to take umbrage with me.

wes · 11-02-2015 05:11PM

conorhal wrote: »

It's the Muslim Brotherhood that are largely responsible for the state of things in Syria, Asad's grandfather and father were by all accounts moderate reformers that wanted to created a secular modern Syrian state,

Decades of murder and oppression by the Assad family tells a rather different story...........

FFS, it amazing the apologetic for violent murderous dictators people are coming up with all of a sudden, and its hilarious that you are now going back decades to try and prove that Mr. Halawa was supporting an armed Islamist group. BTW, I am well aware of the violent past of the Muslim Brotherhood, and would hardly be the only political group with a violent past to later reject violence.

conorhal wrote: »

it was those 'democratic' MB loons and their repeated assination attempts that created the paranoid dictatorship that Syria became because the Assad's weren't eager to pander to their demands for an Islamist constitution so they tried terrorism instead. Syria would be a very different place but for the Muslim Brotherhood.

You would have a point, if the events happened after the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood rejected violence. In case you didn't know the Syrian branch were murdered out of existence (along with a whole lot of innocent people) by your "moderate" Assad.

So once again, when Mr Halawa was protesting the Muslim Brotherhood had long rejected violence, and were removed in a violent and murderous military coup. Now, for some reason you seem to think I am unaware of the violent past of the Muslim Brotherhood, despite saying that I am well aware of it, and not you try and justify claims by referring to a branch in another country that was murdered out of existence. Let be honest that is a hell of a stretch.

So, are you going to back to ancient Egypt now to try and support you claim about Mr Halawa now?

Boring username · 15-02-2015 11:22AM

There is an interview with the Irish former ISIS member in today's Sindo. One thing is clear from this-the European fighters are considered to be the most violent, and the French in particular. The intelligence services are going to have a major job on their hands....

"The Irish fighters are perfect snipers; they use them sometimes with the Chechens, in any place they need snipers, they move the Irish," he adds.
Foreign fighters from Europe have the most virulent ideology he also claims. They are the most dogmatic when it comes to ISIS ideology.
The Europeans are "the devil" inside Syria. "They cut the heads". In one incident, a French jihadist known as 'Abu Ali-al Franci' "cut three heads inside Deir ez-Zor centre," claims Abu Omer. Although he did not provide photographic evidence of this, Abu Omer's character and identity was corroborated by sources from Deir ez-Zor, and within the FSA brigade that he once held a senior position in.

"Another example: in a village in the Deir ez-Zor countryside, the Europeans killed around 3,000 people in the village, using French fighters," he says.

Full interview here: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/the-irish-are-the-perfect-snipers-says-isis-escapee-30993107.html

crazygeryy · 15-02-2015 11:28AM

Abdul maheed abinijad
Other wise known as seani.

Brilliant.

keeponhurling · 16-02-2015 06:36AM

As long as we are yet to see any GAA jerseys worn or hurleys used in the beheading videos, it's hard to know how reliable these reports are

40 Irish fighters are in ISIS, claims former member

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