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Pressures around Church weddings

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    I'd imagine like many topics the figures in AH would probably be the exact opposite to what you would find in general across the country, particularly outside of Dublin as Dublin would have a high number of people from abroad also.

    As I said I'm 30 and this year I will attend my first ever civil ceremony (and I've been to many weddings). As a snap shot from the start of 2014 to early 2016 I will have attend 10 weddings (that's as it stands always the possibly of more invites) and only 1 of the 10 will not be in a church. All the people getting married are in the late 20's to early 30's age bracket.

    I'm still very curious as to what part of the country (and what time) you hail from...

    I live in Cork, and from what I notice the balance between civil ceremonies vs church weddings would be about 50/50. And most people will actually moan quite a bit about having to have the church wedding becuase the mother/MIL/grandmother insists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    From Dublin - majority civil or humanist, with a couple of Muslim weddings among my group of friends from college. One couple were both atheist but went through with a full Catholic wedding to get her parents to pay for the whole thing.


  • Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shenshen wrote: »
    I'm still very curious as to what part of the country (and what time) you hail from...

    I live in Cork, and from what I notice the balance between civil ceremonies vs church weddings would be about 50/50. And most people will actually moan quite a bit about having to have the church wedding becuase the mother/MIL/grandmother insists.

    The weddings in question are a mixture of people from the west of Ireland and south of the country (two different sets of friends), in some cases marrying people from abroad but mostly both of the couple are Irish. As far as I'm aware parents were not a factor in picking the church wedding in any of the cases it was very much the couple who wanted it (or one of the couple).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dog of Tears


    kylith wrote: »

    Really? I'm surprised that an apparently religious person would have such little problem breaking one of the 10 commandments.

    I'm not in the least religious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    I'd imagine like many topics the figures in AH would probably be the exact opposite to what you would find in general across the country, particularly outside of Dublin as Dublin would have a high number of people from abroad also.

    As I said I'm 30 and this year I will attend my first ever civil ceremony (and I've been to many weddings). As a snap shot from the start of 2014 to early 2016 I will have attend 10 weddings (that's as it stands always the possibly of more invites) and only 1 of the 10 will not be in a church. All the people getting married are in the late 20's to early 30's age bracket.

    Course as you get older and start attending 2nd, 3rd etc marriages the stats change as the Catholic Church won't grant a marriage to a divorced person. One of the nicest civil ceremonies I attended was where a woman who had divorced her abusive husband was remarrying a religious man. He was so angry at the above stance that he is now atheist.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭Yeboah


    got married in a civil ceremony on a Greek island with 30 guests. best day of our lives. I would be a plastic Catholic (don't go to mass, still hate rangers), my wife would be non religious but from a CoI background.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    I can only click one option in the poll.

    Someone fix it please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭berrecka



    As I said I'm 30 and this year I will attend my first ever civil ceremony (and I've been to many weddings). As a snap shot from the start of 2014 to early 2016 I will have attend 10 weddings (that's as it stands always the possibly of more invites) and only 1 of the 10 will not be in a church. All the people getting married are in the late 20's to early 30's age bracket.

    I too am in the West. Hubby has a huge crowd from college days in Cork.

    Of the 20 odd weddings we have been to since we started going out in 2009, three were in Catholic churches.
    One was my best friend who is religious and goes to mass frequently.
    One was friends who were living in London, coming home for the wedding, and didn't give that much thought to alternatives.
    The third was to keep parents happy, and both B&G admitted they would have much preferred to have done their own thing, and to have been true to themselves.

    We were at one more, which was a civil ceremony with some Hindu fire ceremony elements integrated afterwards, but that was in London.

    All others were civil ceremonies which we witnessed; civil ceremonies which took place previously with a friend/relative perform a service; humanist; or spiritualist.

    To thine own self be true and all that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Matt_Trakker


    Got married in a church, don't believe in anything, wife is the same.
    Why?
    Nicer photos.

    Shallow, yes.
    Don't care.

    Made her family happy in the process too.
    Win-win.

    Only bad thing was that it went on for a bit too long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    I'm not married, or close to it, but it would definitely be a registry office for me. As short and frill-free as possible! :D

    My parents would be supportive too. They've always said they don't care how I get married as long as I'm happy.


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  • Moderators Posts: 52,294 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Got married in a church, don't believe in anything, wife is the same.
    Why?
    Nicer photos.

    Depends what you're into. Bit of imagination can do wonders:)

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,600 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    I ticked Civil Service, even though it was in a church:
    I'll try and explain that:

    I live in Norway and I'm married to a Norwegian.
    She is awesome, and in many ways on the same wave-length as myself, including attitudes to weddings.

    She had been married once before, and thanks to the pressure of the MIL of the time, she was put through a massive church wedding much to her dismay. It appeared that the MIL had insisted on a large wedding because she wasn't able to have one when she was married. I'm still in disbelief when the now Mrs. Rawr tells me this story, it does seem that there can be an awful lot of projected selfishness for relatives when it comes to things like other peoples weddings.

    It annoys me no end to hear of other people inflicting their wishes upon these couples, not only in the choice of venue, but in every concievible detail regarding their 'Big Day Out'.

    Fast forward a few years to myself and Mrs. Rawr getting married. We had been in agreement long before talk of marriage was on the table. We would go somewhere hot, use the Norwegian Sailors-Church to get an officially Norwegian wedding there (saving some hassle with local authorities), and then go somewhere for drinks after with friends we had selected as witnesses.

    No parents, or other family members would be invited. We knew that although there were many sound members of the family who would be fun to have there, and would not kick up fuss, but we were guaranteed problems from some others who we couldn't *not* invite, without causing more drama. Thus the simple solution was to invite no-one and keep it small.

    We went to the south of Spain, which was as far as we could afford to physically get from Norway or Ireland. This eliminated any question as to why people weren't really invited, and also allowed us to double it into a fairly inexpensive honeymoon. We used a Norwegian Sailors-church there to get married, mostly to get the marriage officiated in Norwegian law. Neither of us could give a damn about the god part, which barely even got a mention in the quick half-hour service.

    Shortly after, the new Mrs. Rawr, myself and our small group of 4 friends went down the road and ended up drinking with a group of drunken Swedish people. We had a hell of a fun time, which trumped anything a damned reception could have supplied.

    Her father and my parents were in complete support of our plan, and even wished they had thought of it doing it this way themselves. This seemed to be the reaction of many we had told. Her mother, and now my MIL, wasn't as enthusiastic, although that was mostly down to her not being supplied a stage to be the center of attention. We didn't care.

    Myself, Mrs, Rawr agree that this was a very stress-free and awesome way to get married and suited our personalities down to a tee. And in the end, I think that's what this kind of very personal event should be about. It should be about the couple and their personalities, not the self-centered wishes / demands / or attempts at emotional-blackmail that sometimes come with weddings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Rawr wrote: »
    It appeared that the MIL had insisted on a large wedding because she wasn't able to have one when she was married. I'm still in disbelief when the now Mrs. Rawr tells me this story, it does seem that there can be an awful lot of projected selfishness for relatives when it comes to things like other peoples weddings.
    I've heard this crop up more than once. It's like, their parents meddled in their wedding so instead of renewing their vows and using that as an excuse to have the ceremony how they wanted it, they see their children's weddings as a kind of Barbie play set so that they can bully their children into having the wedding they didn't have the guts to fight for in the first place.

    It boggles the mind, really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 jivedude


    logik wrote: »

    I am getting married at the end of this year. I am an Atheist even though I was baptised and confirmed etc. This is before I was able to make my own mind up as to what I wanted to believe. Myself and my partner never go to mass but my partner would have some faith as that is the way they have been brought up.

    We are having a church wedding, and the only reason for this is that my partners parents and family and very very holy, god fearing people that say the rosary every 2nd day etc. It annoys me that we have to go down the church route but if I am honest, the trouble it would cause if we were to have a civil ceremony would not be worth it.


    I believe you have it sorted already, just give yourself time to relax with your decision and focus on enjoying your day. I love the fact that you stated about honesty cos thats what it's all about. Your wedding day is not just about you, it involves you declaring your love to your family, the whole world and having a memorable day that will stay with you for the rest of your life. So a little sacrifice to have everyone happy to be around you is worth it and it's not just for the family as you stated your partner has some faith....And I can assure you if you are really an atheist, few hours in that building won't take anything from you cos it won't matter as you have that man of your beside you.

    You've made the right decision, have a fab day and the rest of your life ahead :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭matrim


    I'm not actually saying parents should interfere btw, my own parents wouldn't (though as I said its not an issue anyway for me). However if my parents were the type to want to have a say I'd be very much inclined to keep everyone happy, I don't really see the big deal anyway even for non-religious people having a church ceremony. Isn't it much nicer to have it in a big church than some office or a room in a hotel.

    If your parents wanted you to not have a catholic ceremony and only do a civil one would you skip the catholic one for the sake of peace?


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    matrim wrote: »
    If your parents wanted you to not have a catholic ceremony and only do a civil one would you skip the catholic one for the sake of peace?

    I would certainly take their opinions into consideration and may well skip it yes. Never something that will be of concern to me though as parents (and all my family infact) are practicing Catholics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    This post has been deleted.

    I got married in December just gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭matrim


    I would certainly take their opinions into consideration and may well skip it yes. Never something that will be of concern to me though as parents (and all my family infact) are practicing Catholics.

    Which seems to be the opposite of what you said here
    Speaking in general (as not having a church wedding isn't something Id consider myself anyway)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,946 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    I would certainly take their opinions into consideration and may well skip it yes. Never something that will be of concern to me though as parents (and all my family infact) are practicing Catholics.

    Say if they weren't though. Say for instance, your family were all devout Scientology members, or Branch Davidians and you feel strongly that its not an organisation you want any part of whatsoever.

    Would you then go along with a wedding THEY want? Or would you ignore the wailing mammy /granny who tells you that when the big Zombie Apocalypse comes, you wont get into the compound to commit mass suicide with them or whatever it is they believe? Then your auld lad takes you to one side and urges you quietly to 'just go along with it to make the mammy happy'. They mention your favourite uncle would be turning in his grave now to see you get married in a catholic church. And how could you do it to him after all he did for you when he was alive!

    You'd think they were bonkers, I'm sure. And you'd be annoyed that a special day in YOUR life is getting hijacked by a farcical cult thanks to idiots you'd happen to be related to. :)

    See, people make the mistake of thinking that because a person has no religion, what does it matter anyway? But it matters very much.

    I'm engaged 18 months now. Initially we wanted a quick engagement and get married 3 months after, but we were getting urged into a church wedding by people in our families that are normally lovely and easy going but for some reason have been pains about something that should be between my partner and I. So its on hold because my partner wants to do it their way (a church wedding) and I don't. I could no more get married in a Catholic ceremony than I could in a Muslim, Jewish, Scientoligest, Latter Day Saints, or Branch Davidians. I just want a day that formalises and recognises our promise to be husband and wife.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dog of Tears


    Neyite wrote: »

    So its on hold because my partner wants to do it their way (a church wedding) and I don't.

    Presumably a compromise will be required from one of you though.

    Why do you fell it should be her that compromises and not you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    Presumably a compromise will be required from one of you though.

    Why do you fell it should be her that compromises and not you?


    Maybe she doesn't want a church wedding either but is getting pressure from the selfish mother and granny?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    I would certainly take their opinions into consideration and may well skip it yes. Never something that will be of concern to me though as parents (and all my family infact) are practicing Catholics.

    I don't believe it! :D
    Woe betide anyone who rejects the "faith" in your family.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    .......as parents (and all my family infact) are practicing Catholics.

    Well they'd all have to say that regardless of whether or not it's true if the family culture embraces indoctrination. It's one of the reasons the Catholic Church has so many pretend Catholics, fear of upsetting the family by coming out with doubt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dog of Tears


    Eutow wrote: »
    Maybe she doesn't want a church wedding either but is getting pressure from the selfish mother and granny?

    Or maybe she'd like to keep her mother and granny happy.
    Doesn't really matter why, the poster has indicated that his partner wants a church wedding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    Or maybe she'd like to keep her mother and granny happy.
    Doesn't really matter why, the poster has indicated that his partner wants a church wedding.


    Bit of a contradiction there? Do it to keep the mother happy, or do it because she really wants to. Slight but important difference.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dog of Tears


    Eutow wrote: »
    Bit of a contradiction there? Do it to keep the mother happy, or do it because she really wants to. Slight but important difference.

    How so?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,946 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Presumably a compromise will be required from one of you though.

    Why do you fell it should be her that compromises and not you?

    I think you misunderstood - neither of us are religious, and our personal preference is for a simple civil ceremony, but my partner wants to have the church wedding to appease their relative.
    Eutow wrote: »
    Maybe she doesn't want a church wedding either but is getting pressure from the selfish mother and granny?

    ^^^This.
    If my partner had faith and it meant a lot to them to have a religious service, then yes, I'd suck it up because its meaningful to one of us and I would do it because I love them.

    But neither of us believe in god. Neither of us have any faith anymore. Our reason for getting married is to formalise our relationship in the eyes of the law, its incredibly hyprocritical of us to chant the words and rituals of what we feel is mumbo-jumbo of a corrupt cult just because a guest belongs to it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    How so?


    Having a church wedding only to keep the parents or relatives happy, but really only wanting to have a registrary wedding, or some civil service type thing on a Greek island witnessed by a close friend.

    Compare that to genuinely wanting the whole Catholic wedding in a church, no pressure from parents and relatives to have it there.


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