40 Irish fighters are in ISIS, claims former member

Tugboats · 11-02-2015 12:51AM

Can they not be arrested when they come to sign on every month?

Iwasfrozen · 11-02-2015 01:07AM

nokia69 wrote: »

don't think so

they have released a map of the countries they think they should be part of the caliphate

basically its any part of the world that was ever under islamic rule, e.g. Spain, Israel ect

I saw that map too but they want a worldwide caliphate. I'm on phone so can't post links but do a Google. They're quite vocal about conquering the world.

malibu4u · 11-02-2015 01:36AM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Simples. Upon return, deny entry.

How you you know who exactly has been "fightin"? What is they just say they were backpacking around for 6 weeks or 6 months? About 5 years ago I spent a year travelling around Australia etc. Some of those 40 people could say they were just travelling and experiencing the culture in the middle east and done nothing illegial?

token101 · 11-02-2015 01:41AM

malibu4u wrote: »

How you you know who exactly has been "fightin"? What is they just say they were backpacking around for 6 weeks or 6 months? About 5 years ago I spent a year travelling around Australia etc. Some of those 40 people could say they were just travelling and experiencing the culture in the middle east and done nothing illegial?

Can't imagine there's much of a hostel scene in Raqqa these days

JPCN1 · 11-02-2015 01:57AM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Link to the Newstalk interviews - https://www.newstalk.ie/Former-ISIS-operative-Irish-fighters-IS-Syria-Turkey-interview-Abu-Omar

In the interview, he said:

http://www.thejournal.ie/interview-isis-fighter-ireland-1930654-Feb2015/

If this is true, then it is very worrying indeed. Considering our small Muslim population and that a large splice are only of school going age, for 40 to go off and join ISIS shows a high level of radicalisation here. The Minister for Justice has previously stated that she would consider stripping returning Jihadis of Irish citizenship. But this will be only possible if they are naturalised dual citizens.

How should we deal with this?

Let Assad deal with them. Just give him the support to do it.

11-02-2015 02:29AM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

his group could be part of ISiS now, or Al Nusra, or etc.
one thing is for sure, the crather aint coming back to Ireland

There doesn't seem to be any evidence at all that he was involved in any jihadist activity, he was described by all who claimed to know him as a nice intelligent young man in any article online

old_aussie · 11-02-2015 03:08AM

I wonder how many of them are recent converts, who will be keen to demonstrate on their return to Ireland that they have been correctly converted with the full IS program and training.

porsche959 · 11-02-2015 03:18AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Joining an organization that seeks to overthrow the Irish state by violent means is treason. They should be arrested on arrival.

Pity the legislation wasn't applied to the Fianna Fail/PD/banksters that destroyed the economy.

blatantrereg · 11-02-2015 04:59AM

riffmongous wrote: »

It's also important to find out why people are being radicalised in Ireland and try to cut it off at the source. I'm sure some will try to claim it's because of the religion itself but with numbers like 1/1500 and 1/5000 for people actually becoming radicalised enough to go fighting I think it will be more complicated than that

Glorification of rebellion is prevalent in Irish culture. I'm not surprised that this is fertile territory for recruiting extremists.

nokia69 · 11-02-2015 05:19AM

blatantrereg wrote: »

Glorification of rebellion is prevalent in Irish culture. I'm not surprised that this is fertile territory for recruiting extremists.

they may have lived here for a while but these people have little or nothing to do with Irish culture

sawing peoples heads off is not part of my culture

Mellor · 11-02-2015 05:19AM

It's probably more accurate to say that;

"There are 40 ISIS fighters with Irish passports"

rather than

"There are 40 Irish fighters with ISIS"

DarkyHughes · 11-02-2015 06:04AM

Pffffffft there was 1500 9in the PIRA Belfast Brigade alone.

DarkyHughes · 11-02-2015 06:07AM

blatantrereg wrote: »

Glorification of rebellion is prevalent in Irish culture. I'm not surprised that this is fertile territory for recruiting extremists.

My post was a joke. You sound like you believe that nonsense. You could say the same thing about France.

blatantrereg · 11-02-2015 06:20AM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

You sound like you believe that nonsense.

No, it was a passing thought at 4am. As pointed out, they aren't going to be the sorts of people who have integrated enough to be influenced by the culture here.

AngryHippie · 11-02-2015 06:25AM

JPCN1 wrote: »

Let Assad deal with them. Just give him the support to do it.

Thats pretty much how we got here in the first place....

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2015 08:59AM

riffmongous wrote: »

There doesn't seem to be any evidence at all that he was involved in any jihadist activity, he was described by all who claimed to know him as a nice intelligent young man in any article online

he was killed fighting with these lads

JONJO THE MISER · 11-02-2015 09:08AM

Mellor wrote: »

It's probably more accurate to say that;

"There are 40 ISIS fighters with Irish passports"

rather than

"There are 40 Irish fighters with ISIS"

Exactly, just because they have Irish passports does not make them Irish.
Im pretty sure you wont find any Paddy Briens from Ahascragh fighting over there with a can of club orange to relieve there blood thirst.

anncoates · 11-02-2015 09:13AM

It's hardly a surprise that some Irish people are eager to support a lunatic organisation that revolves around killing civilians and hero-worshiping bearded demagogues.

yipeeeee · 11-02-2015 09:14AM

porsche959 wrote: »

Pity the legislation wasn't applied to the Fianna Fail/PD/banksters that destroyed the economy.

Really? Christ.

Anyway if an attack happens here people will be scratching their head, when it's quite clear that lads leaving to fight a for Isis and returning aren't returning to Ireland and been nice little boys again.

Shannon is all a couple of these need as an excuse and the Irish attitude of ah sure were grand were loved all over the world won't save us this time.

conorhal · 11-02-2015 10:36AM

anncoates wrote: »

It's hardly a surprise that some Irish people are eager to support a lunatic organisation that revolves around killing civilians and hero-worshiping bearded demagogues.

How so? Something tells me those involved have never heard of Pearse or Connelly.

conorhal · 11-02-2015 10:38AM

This comes as no surprise when the Imam of Irelands largest mosque invites guest speakers over like these now is it?

In 2007 the Clonskeagh mosque hosted two extremist speakers:

Saudi cleric Salman Al Awda (or Salman al-Audah or Salman Al-Aouda), one of the 26 Saudi scholars who issued the fatwa in 2004 calling for holy war against the Americans in Iraq. "There is no doubt that the Jihad against the occupation is a duty of those who are capable of it." And this man was let into Ireland! He visited Clonskeagh in 2007. The moderate Shia Ali Al Saleh said that this cleric had recently written an article in a Saudi newspaper describing Shias as "non-Muslims".

Egyptian cleric Wagdy Ghoneim (or Wagdi Ghoneim or Wajdi Ghunaim), supporter of suicide bombing. "Those young people who explode themselves to kill the Jews were not committing suicide but jihad." He was denied entrance into Canada for being a member of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. And yet he was let into Ireland! And invited by the Clonskeagh mosque. He visited Clonskeagh in 2006 and 2007.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2015 11:28AM

conorhal wrote: »

This comes as no surprise when the Imam of Irelands largest mosque invites guest speakers over like these now is it?

In 2007 the Clonskeagh mosque hosted two extremist speakers:

Saudi cleric Salman Al Awda (or Salman al-Audah or Salman Al-Aouda), one of the 26 Saudi scholars who issued the fatwa in 2004 calling for holy war against the Americans in Iraq. "There is no doubt that the Jihad against the occupation is a duty of those who are capable of it." And this man was let into Ireland! He visited Clonskeagh in 2007. The moderate Shia Ali Al Saleh said that this cleric had recently written an article in a Saudi newspaper describing Shias as "non-Muslims".

Egyptian cleric Wagdy Ghoneim (or Wagdi Ghoneim or Wajdi Ghunaim), supporter of suicide bombing. "Those young people who explode themselves to kill the Jews were not committing suicide but jihad." He was denied entrance into Canada for being a member of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. And yet he was let into Ireland! And invited by the Clonskeagh mosque. He visited Clonskeagh in 2006 and 2007.

Of course you're aware who is inviting these men of peace into Ireland, to talk
at The European Centre For Fatwa Research...

conorhal · 11-02-2015 11:36AM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Of course you're aware who is inviting these men of peace into Ireland, to talk
at The European Centre For Fatwa Research...

Would that be the self same Imam who's son is langiushing in an Egyptian jail for heading off to foreign parts to support islamist fighters?

blatantrereg · 11-02-2015 01:06PM

AngryHippie wrote: »

Thats pretty much how we got here in the first place....

That's the impression I get too. They developed out of the Iraq invasion from what I can see.

De-escalation becomes increasingly difficult. I think Iran and America reconciling enough to cooperate on this is probably vital. That in itself is difficult since each of them demonise the other. From what I know of the history, I think the USA and the UK probably have more apologising to do, because of their meddling in the 50s. I couldn't imagine there being a better person to be president of America for this situation. Don't know much about the current Iranian government, but I imagine antipathy towards America might be a significant part of their power. I think that younger Iranians are largely a lot more progressive though, possibly as a result of their very good education system - the nature of postgraduate education is fairly international.

Basically I think Western countries need to align strongly with Muslim countries such as Iran so that they can't be painted as an evil empire so easily.

11-02-2015 01:23PM

But Iran has very close ties to Syria and Hezbollah, the Israelis even killed an Iranian RG General 2 weeks ago, not to mention Iranian interests in Iraq, any strong cooperation with Iran will be heavily opposed politically.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2015 01:26PM

conorhal wrote: »

Would that be the self same Imam who's son is langiushing in an Egyptian jail for heading off to foreign parts to support islamist fighters?

Ah no, he went on holidays and got caught up in it.

wes · 11-02-2015 01:28PM

conorhal wrote: »

Would that be the self same Imam who's son is langiushing in an Egyptian jail for heading off to foreign parts to support islamist fighters?

Really he did? That is interesting. I take you have proof of that.......

Last I checked he was at some protests, and spoke at a rally, after a democratically elected government was removed in an illegal violent coup, where the military murdered protesters in the streets. Now the Muslims Brotherhood are certainly detestable, but the fact remains they were the democratically elected government, so referring to them as Islamist fighter is very clearly a lie.

conorhal · 11-02-2015 01:33PM

wes wrote: »

Really he did? That is interesting. I take you have proof of that.......

Last I checked he was at some protests, and spoke at a rally, after a democratically elected government was removed in an illegal violent coup, where the military murdered protesters in the streets. Now the Muslims Brotherhood are certainly detestable, but the fact remains they were the democratically elected government, so referring to them as Islamist fighter is very clearly a lie.

The Nazi's were elected too, but Halawa ain't no sophie scholl.

The Muslim Brotherhood have plenty of form in plenty of middle eastern nations for supporting Islamist terrorism, they're like Shinners in the 80's, nothing to do with terrorists at all *wink*!

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2015 01:34PM

wes wrote: »

Really he did? That is interesting. I take you have proof of that.......

Last I checked he was at some protests, and spoke at a rally, after a democratically elected government was removed in an illegal violent coup, where the military murdered protesters in the streets. Now the Muslims Brotherhood are certainly detestable, but the fact remains they were the democratically elected government, so referring to them as Islamist fighter is very clearly a lie.

Last I checked the current government enjoys majority support.

wes · 11-02-2015 01:46PM

conorhal wrote: »

The Nazi's were elected too,

Yes, we are all aware of that. Its really rather lazy to go straight for the Nazi comparison. That one got old when people used it in regards to Bush number 2.

conorhal wrote: »

The Muslim Brotherhood have plenty of form in plenty of middle eastern nations for supporting Islamist terrorism, they're like Shinners in the 80's, nothing to do with terrorists at all *wink*!

Now, now, we all know that the Muslim Brotherhood were involved in terrorism in the past, thats well established. What also well established is that when they were elected, they had renounced violence and haven't been involved in any terrorism for years.

So, as much as you may try and stretch the truth and implicate Mr Halawa as supporting Islamist fights, the fact remains is the claim is nonsense. It was the military murdering people in the streets, at the time he was protesting and not the Muslim Brotherhood. So again you fail to establish any truth for your claim.

40 Irish fighters are in ISIS, claims former member

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