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SIPTU calling for €11.45 p/h minimum wage

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  • #62
    djpbarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    chopper6 wrote: »
    So the housing prices and rental increases don't count?

    Nor does the cost of a pint rising by as much as 2 euro in 6 years.

    Then there's UPC
    You've found a few things that have increased in price, therefore you're dismissing the CPI?


  • #63
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    djpbarry wrote: »
    You've found a few things that have increased in price, therefore you're dismissing the CPI?

    I never mentioned it.

    I was correcting the poster who had asserted that no price rises had occurred in the private sector.


  • #64
    Geuze
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    So the housing prices and rental increases don't count?

    Nor does the cost of a pint rising by as much as 2 euro in 6 years.


    Ah now, this is not true, in most pubs.

    Outside Dublin, Guinness is 4.00 - 4.20 in most places.

    Six years ago it was maybe 3.60?


  • #65
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    Geuze wrote: »
    Ah now, this is not true, in most pubs.

    Outside Dublin, Guinness is 4.00 - 4.20 in most places.

    Six years ago it was maybe 3.60?

    So they *have* put the prices up?


  • #66
    Gringo180
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    Should most definitely be raised. Not to 11.45, but more like 10 euro. The cost of living has increased so why shouldn't the minimum wage?


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  • #67
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Geuze wrote: »
    Ah now, this is not true, in most pubs.

    Outside Dublin, Guinness is 4.00 - 4.20 in most places.

    Six years ago it was maybe 3.60?

    Dunno where youv been drinking so cheap. Must be ol man pubs in the middle of no where :)


  • #68
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Not alone should the minimum wage not be increased, it should be removed altogether.

    To help the scrupulous employer? Good thinking.


  • #69
    Iwasfrozen
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    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    To help the scrupulous employer? Good thinking.

    To help the poor guy starting his career get a foot on the ladder.


  • #70
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    To help the scrupulous employer? Good thinking.

    Most employers aren't scrupulous.

    We'd be far better off making ourselves competitive and slashing government costs rather than making unsustainable minimum wage promises.


  • #71
    Geuze
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    So they *have* put the prices up?

    Yes, but not by 2 euro.


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  • #72
    Geuze
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    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    Dunno where youv been drinking so cheap. Must be ol man pubs in the middle of no where :)


    Galway city centre, main street, Garavan's pub = 4.00 euro, maybe 4.20 max.

    Galway city centre, Dominick street, stout = 3.60

    Sligo town centre, Guinness = 4.10 - 4.20


  • #73
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Most employers aren't scrupulous.

    We'd be far better off making ourselves competitive and slashing government costs rather than making unsustainable minimum wage promises.

    Well I tell ya what. You think of a plan to bring down the cost of living in this utopia and that might follow. Don't say the too are relative. There's a awful lot of greedy retailers in this country. Cost of goods and rising taxes year on year.
    Min wage should be kept as is


  • #74
    chopper6
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    Geuze wrote: »
    Yes, but not by 2 euro.


    In Dublin they have.

    Bruxelles...two years a pint bottle of cobra was 4 euro..today it's 7 euro.

    Just for example.


  • #75
    chopper6
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    Most employers aren't scrupulous.

    We'd be far better off making ourselves competitive and slashing government costs rather than making unsustainable minimum wage promises.


    better to tax the hell out of multinationals..it will have the effect of driving wages down across the sector and make it more likely they will stay.


  • #76
    Idbatterim
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    there might be merit in a slight minimum wage rise in due course, maybe 50c an hour or so. Should the minimum wage in Dublin not be higher? the cost of living here, basically rent, which is a substantial cost, is much higher than the rest of the country...


  • #77
    djpbarry
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    better to tax the hell out of multinationals..it will have the effect of driving wages down across the sector...
    How? And I thought people wanted higher wages, not lower?


  • #78
    PauloMN
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    there might be merit in a slight minimum wage rise in due course, maybe 50c an hour or so. Should the minimum wage in Dublin not be higher? the cost of living here, basically rent, which is a substantial cost, is much higher than the rest of the country...

    Where in Dublin? Balbriggan? Blackrock? I see what you're saying, but that would be very hard to implement, having different minimum wages in different areas. Would you lower it in Leitrim and Longford?

    Having a higher minimum wage in certain parts of the country would just drive more people to that area imo, creating more competition for those jobs and leaving more people without jobs.


  • #79
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    djpbarry wrote: »
    How? And I thought people wanted higher wages, not lower?

    That's the problem if wages rise overall. Cost of items and goods rise. Min wage rises to keep up and so on.


  • #80
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,568 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    obviously this is a grey area, but see below regarding London as an example...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_weighting

    http://www.xpatulator.com/cost-of-living-article/How-to-Calculate-an-International-Cost-of-Living-Allowance_27.cfm
    London weighting is an allowance paid to certain civil servants, teachers, airline employees, PhD students, police and security officers in the capital of the United Kingdom, London. It is designed to help these workers with the cost of living in London, which is higher than that of the rest of the UK.[1] Its purpose is to encourage key workers to stay in London.

    London weighting was introduced for civil servants in 1920 and until 1974 was set by the London Pay Board. However since 1974 the Greater London Council and later the Mayor of London, in partnership with central government, have been responsible for setting it. In 2002, teachers from across South East England went on strike to try to force London weighting to be raised.
    there is continued at the first link I posted...
    Having a higher minimum wage in certain parts of the country would just drive more people to that area imo, creating more competition for those jobs and leaving more people without jobs.
    Its funny you post that, because you are correct possibly with minimum wage workers, but in London the whole purpose of paying a good salary was to keep key workers, which minimum wage workers cannot be classified as...


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