Cheltenham Festival 2015

sdoc13 · 09-02-2015 10:39PM

posturingpat wrote: »

Someone mentioned the 4 miler above, I've 2 words Very wood.

Like Very Wood too. Think Him and Mala Beach cracking bets. Not sure Mala Beach will turn up though and even if he does turn up on good to soft ground he may not be suited by it. Elliot always maintained he is best on soft.

Gavin "shels" · 09-02-2015 10:48PM

UDS and Annie Power double on the first day to set up a nice week!

dicky dunne · 09-02-2015 11:17PM

whats the opinion on Nichols Canyon? personally i think he's seriously under rated as he's not a stable hype horse because he's a poor worker...hope he goes for the supreme from the front and uses his stamina..he's not short of speed either and if he lines up in it i think he could be hard to get by.Mullins has gone to the supreme with the last 2 winners of the deliotte

the groutch · 09-02-2015 11:18PM

it will be an absolute bloodbath for the bookies if Douvan, UDS, Faugheen & Annie all win.

ste2010 · 09-02-2015 11:27PM

lemush wrote: »

His jumping has worried me in his 3 runs with a look to the JLT in which there will be no hiding place. Seems to me he could be a horse suited by jumping over 3m where they will go a stride slower but he doesn't exactly look a guaranteed stayer. Of all the main players in the JLT he's the one I'm confident of taking on.

Interesting you would make those comments regarding staying when he was pipped in the topaz chase over 3m by RSA favourite and just beat the 2nd favourite for the jewson. If anything the fact he gets 3 miles would suggest to me he is more of a chance than vautour. When vautour ran over hurdles in punchestown last season he didn't appear to get the 2m 4 trip as you would have expected. Given the undulations of Cheltenham a strong JLT similar to the ryanair would play into the hands of a false 3miler..

jimjamcos · 09-02-2015 11:36PM

dicky dunne wrote: »

whats the opinion on Nichols Canyon? personally i think he's seriously under rated as he's not a stable hype horse because he's a poor worker...hope he goes for the supreme from the front and uses his stamina..he's not short of speed either and if he lines up in it i think he could be hard to get by.Mullins has gone to the supreme with the last 2 winners of the deliotte

Agree, Ruby was doing his best to preach that he's a stayer post race but I think he's perfect for a positive front running Supreme ride. He's clearly got pace, jumps well and stays and while it's a cliche at this stage, you need to stay strongly in Supreme given that jockeys are excited, horses are excited and they naturally go to fast. If I was Mullins, I'd run him in the opener with the opinion that if he sets it up for Douvan and he beats him on the snaff like a superstar all well and good. If they can't go by him, then so be it.

Gregk961 · 09-02-2015 11:43PM

the groutch wrote: »

it will be an absolute bloodbath for the bookies if Douvan, UDS, Faugheen & Annie all win.

Extremely unlikely all the same. Id imagine Mullins would be very happy with 2 of those winning. Same talk every year, never works out and so much money is thrown away on big money multiples, its not a smart way to bet.

jimjamcos · 09-02-2015 11:56PM

Gregk961 wrote: »

Extremely unlikely all the same. Id imagine Mullins would be very happy with 2 of those winning. Same talk every year, never works out and so much money is thrown away on big money multiples, its not a smart way to bet.

Obviously it's unlikely but his strength and depth is particularly ridiculous this year. I can see one of his novice hurdlers winning, UDS, Faugheen and AP all winning, Vautour, Don Poli and a bumper winner. That's leave him with 7winners, beating Hendersons record and while a 3 novice chase winners would seem silly to contemplate, can definitely see him threatening 7 winners. He has to one of these years through sheer force

tomaussie · 10-02-2015 12:20AM

sting60 wrote: »

I am totally not interested what you think of my posts/non posts my record at watching horses as potential is without question(maybe not here)When he finished 2nd on heavy ground against at fishers cross when he jumped two flights for every one he looked a gold cup horse in ever way imo.I can only go back to posts here regards coneygree 13/1/15 at that point he was any price you wanted,but obviously appoligse if my point was not absorbed.

I think you are the one not absorbing the point.

You've been called out for after timing more than once and you've done nothing about it. No proof. Just BS talk.

There is a stickie about after timing. Maybe you should read it because it's just as bad as listening to the two bob morons standing in a bookies telling you about all the winners they've backed. After the race has run of course.

lemush · 10-02-2015 12:51AM

ste2010 wrote: »

Interesting you would make those comments regarding staying when he was pipped in the topaz chase over 3m by RSA favourite and just beat the 2nd favourite for the jewson. If anything the fact he gets 3 miles would suggest to me he is more of a chance than vautour. When vautour ran over hurdles in punchestown last season he didn't appear to get the 2m 4 trip as you would have expected. Given the undulations of Cheltenham a strong JLT similar to the ryanair would play into the hands of a false 3miler..

Over 3m in a championship raceI think there would be one or two that would stay better than Apache. Where as the extra pace they will be going over the Jewson will find him out in the jumping department imo. He's just not a chaser I have taken to. Only time will tell, I've been wrong before.

lemush · 10-02-2015 12:51AM

ste2010 wrote: »

Interesting you would make those comments regarding staying when he was pipped in the topaz chase over 3m by RSA favourite and just beat the 2nd favourite for the jewson. If anything the fact he gets 3 miles would suggest to me he is more of a chance than vautour. When vautour ran over hurdles in punchestown last season he didn't appear to get the 2m 4 trip as you would have expected. Given the undulations of Cheltenham a strong JLT similar to the ryanair would play into the hands of a false 3miler..

Over 3m in a championship race I think there would be one or two that would stay better than Apache. Where as the extra pace they will be going over the Jewson will find him out in the jumping department imo. He's just not a chaser I have taken to. Only time will tell, I've been wrong before.

coopdog85 · 10-02-2015 03:19AM

Sam Winner will win the Gold Cup.

skippymac6 · 10-02-2015 07:07AM

dicky dunne wrote: »

whats the opinion on Nichols Canyon? personally i think he's seriously under rated as he's not a stable hype horse because he's a poor worker...hope he goes for the supreme from the front and uses his stamina..he's not short of speed either and if he lines up in it i think he could be hard to get by.Mullins has gone to the supreme with the last 2 winners of the deliotte

Mullins said after the race that he would imagine he's a Neptune horse but he wouldn't rule out the Supreme. I was hoping that he would go to the Supreme as I have the other Wylie owned horse, Shaneshill backed for the Neptune. He could now be re-routed to the Supreme. Mullins also said that he would like to step up Alvisio Ville in trip as opposed to running him in the supreme so he looks like he has Outlander, AV and Nic Canyon for the Neptune. Means that two of of his more fancied runners coming into this year, Tell us More and Shaneshill who I would have thought are Neptune types, could be directed elsewhere. Interesting though is he said that they have "loads of horses for the Albert Bartlett". Now I thought that only Black Hercules and possibly Milseain would go that route so perhaps one of the aformentioned horses will also step up in trip. Always a nightmare trying to second guess Willie!

nobody told me · 10-02-2015 08:56AM

Bet 356 doing an ap mc coy "special" to win all 4 championship races at chelt, 500/1, you couldn't make it up

Shemale · 10-02-2015 10:26AM

nobody told me wrote: »

Bet 356 doing an ap mc coy "special" to win all 4 championship races at chelt, 500/1, you couldn't make it up

"Specials" are just designed to suck in unwitting punters, if you do an accumulator yourself you would easily quadruple the 500/1

krustydoyle · 10-02-2015 10:37AM

Does anyone know what pricewise tipped up for the supreme in the post today??

posturingpat · 10-02-2015 10:46AM

coopdog85 wrote: »

Sam Winner will win the Gold Cup.

Can't argue with that sound reasoning,i may remortgage the house

posturingpat · 10-02-2015 10:49AM

krustydoyle wrote: »

Does anyone know what pricewise tipped up for the supreme in the post today??

Qewy and Jollyallan,not sure on the staking though. All i know is he's ruined my plan to back Jollyallan at big odds when it goes nrnb :mad:

NaiveMelodies · 10-02-2015 10:50AM

Meath Centre Forward wrote: »

I find myself leaning towards Mr. Mole...... but am likely to change my mind several times before the race !!

On at 33s but couldn't back him at 8s.

It is wide open though... Dodging Bullets doesn't always settle and his chances could be ruined early on.

Based on today's prices, I'd probably go for Hidden Cyclone. Really good performance lto.

convert · 10-02-2015 12:44PM

Guys, we all know that Cheltenham brings out the best (and worst) in people, so can we please avoid posts like this in the future:

Unnecessary:

sting60 wrote: »

Ur some man.if I had your knowledge I would give you a job cleaning my toilets.

Remember to keep things civil

mdwexford wrote: »

What a stupid thing to say.

Remember: if you've a problem with a post, please report it rather than taking matters into your own hands and back seat modding:

tomaussie wrote: »

I think you are the one not absorbing the point.

You've been called out for after timing more than once and you've done nothing about it. No proof. Just BS talk.

There is a stickie about after timing. Maybe you should read it because it's just as bad as listening to the two bob morons standing in a bookies telling you about all the winners they've backed. After the race has run of course.

Dr. Bre · 10-02-2015 06:01PM

coopdog85 wrote: »

Sam Winner will win the Gold Cup.

if he does its the worst gold cup since I can remember

Dr. Bre · 10-02-2015 06:01PM

Al ferof out of the festival. prob back for Aintree/punches

posturingpat · 10-02-2015 06:09PM

Anyone know an official date for the handicap entries and weights? Usually around mid-late February but haven't heard anything yet.

ste2010 · 10-02-2015 07:17PM

lemush wrote: »

Over 3m in a championship race I think there would be one or two that would stay better than Apache. Where as the extra pace they will be going over the Jewson will find him out in the jumping department imo. He's just not a chaser I have taken to. Only time will tell, I've been wrong before.

We've all been wrong before. ;-) His jumping needs to sharpen up. Speed wise won't be an issue. He's got speed, he's proved that as Naas and punchestown. If he jumps he will be there coming up the hill

Meath Centre Forward · 10-02-2015 09:37PM

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

On at 33s but couldn't back him at 8s.

It is wide open though... Dodging Bullets doesn't always settle and his chances could be ruined early on.

Based on today's prices, I'd probably go for Hidden Cyclone. Really good performance lto.

Fair enough but 8/1 having won the Game Spirit Chase beating Uxizandre and Sire De Grugy seems fair enough to me - compared to 33/1 having beaten no-one. Would you not agree? Hindsight is a great thing but 8/1 knowing what we know now is surely as good as 33/1 knowing what we knew then, no? I was really impressed with him at the weekend though. He looks a real contender.

Meath Centre Forward · 10-02-2015 09:41PM

posturingpat wrote: »

Anyone know an official date for the handicap entries and weights? Usually around mid-late February but haven't heard anything yet.

Entries Thursday the 19th.
Weights Wednesday the 25th.

Shemale · 10-02-2015 09:42PM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

if he does its the worst gold cup since I can remember

Sad to say but 165 could win the Gold Cup this year.

posturingpat · 10-02-2015 09:53PM

Meath Centre Forward wrote: »

Entries Thursday the 19th.
Weights Wednesday the 25th.

Good stuff,cheers

NaiveMelodies · 10-02-2015 10:08PM

Meath Centre Forward wrote: »

Fair enough but 8/1 having won the Game Spirit Chase beating Uxizandre and Sire De Grugy seems fair enough to me - compared to 33/1 having beaten no-one. Would you not agree? Hindsight is a great thing but 8/1 knowing what we know now is surely as good as 33/1 knowing what we knew then, no? I was really impressed with him at the weekend though. He looks a real contender.

Well yeah that's fair enough too...easy for me to say that having backed him at bigger prices.. but I knew he'd run a good race on Saturday:pac:

Gregk961 · 10-02-2015 10:12PM

Meath Centre Forward wrote: »

Fair enough but 8/1 having won the Game Spirit Chase beating Uxizandre and Sire De Grugy seems fair enough to me - compared to 33/1 having beaten no-one. Would you not agree? Hindsight is a great thing but 8/1 knowing what we know now is surely as good as 33/1 knowing what we knew then, no? I was really impressed with him at the weekend though. He looks a real contender.

I couldn't go along with that, you either get the price or you dont. Each to their own and all that but backing a horse at 1/4 the price he was a couple of days ago is gambling suicide in my eyes

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