Mark Wahlberg lived on liquids + nuts for 6 months. What was your most extreme diet?

Tarzana2 · 08-02-2015 01:47AM

Kirby wrote: »

You cant speak for everyone in here.

No shít! :pac::D

Kirby, this topic has been done to death on After Hours. It comes up every few weeks. It has been discussed. And discussed. And discussed.

Tarzana2 · 08-02-2015 01:48AM

_Jumper_ wrote: »

Wahlberg is lucky to still be getting a chance to make films. He's pumping out some sh1t this last few years.

Very lucky guy, considering his hateful and despicable early life crimes. :mad:

Kirby · 08-02-2015 01:51AM

I think he played a very good Micky Ward in the Fighter. Very believable. But then he did look ridiculous running in fear from the wind in the happening so I suppose it depends on the material.

Wibbs · 08-02-2015 01:55AM

Kirby wrote: »

No, it wouldn't be my subjective opinion. It would be the opinion of several billion people. Why are you being obtuse about this? Are you honestly trying to say with a straight face that is purely chance that the actors that populate the big and small screen are mostly thin? It's because its what people want to see.

Aye K I'd somewhat agree, but it depends on what one defines as "thin" in reality. Take actors as an example. In Real Life(tm) many are tiny, especially the women. It's just a tad of an illusion. I mean I'm slight of frame and I've seen myself on film and I look more well built than I am. There's some truth to the trope that the camera adds ten pounds. Look at how some reckoned Marilyn Monroe was "curvy" even "overweight", but the look at her actual measurements and dresses that have survived. For most of her career she was tiny with an especially tiny waist.

That's before we come to cultural norms and expectations of the "ideal". As I've said before the Miss World of say 1960 wouldn't have a hope of getting past the regional competitions of today, never mind win the title. Women's ideal has changed ever more rapidly over time. Men's much less so. The ancient Greek male ideal would have the ladies fapping in the aisles today, whereas the Greek female ideal wouldn't be close to obese, but she'd be somewhat chunkier than today's general ideal and would be positively fat for the Parisian catwalk ideal.

enfant terrible · 08-02-2015 02:06AM

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Yeh my best friend is a guy, nine stone, lives on beer and carbs, and barely exercises. I'd be such a haip if I lived like him. :pac:

You often hear skinny people say they eats loads but just cannot put on weight, but they and their bigger friends greatly overestimate what the skinny person puts in their mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAQr77QMJiw

One eyed Jack · 08-02-2015 02:15AM

Kirby wrote: »

No, it wouldn't be my subjective opinion. It would be the opinion of several billion people. Why are you being obtuse about this? Are you honestly trying to say with a straight face that is purely chance that the actors that populate the big and small screen are mostly thin? It's because its what people want to see.

I guarantee you people don't put as much emphasis on the actors in films as you think they do. I mean, if you're going to use that to explain why there are more of a certain type of people on the big and small screen, you might as well say there are more men on the big and small screen because people want to see more men on screen. Do they? Correlation, causation there. Yes, it IS purely by chance that there are more thin people on screen than fat, because there are more thin people than fat people in the world. Hell Roseanne Barr had a hugely successful sitcom with was it John Goodman as her husband in the 90's! Nowadays there is an abundance of these godawful sitcoms. People aren't watching them for the actors looks, that's for sure (looking at you "King of Queens", and many, oh so many more that you may not be aware of).

We all have sexual preferences. Short, tall, white, black, blonde brunette, etc. If you interviewed 100 random people on the street, you would get some diverse answers for sure. But the underlying commonality? You know the answer to this already.

I wouldn't be too sure. I know you think you know the underlying commonality, but I wouldn't be nearly so biased. I'd be prepared to keep an open mind so I wouldn't introduce bias in formulating the questionnaire for the survey. There'd be no point in doing the survey if I thought I knew the answer already though.

I'm sure there would be a few who find one eyed men sexy. But most? They are going to want two eyes on their man jack.

Wouldn't be too sure about that either tbh. Most women I've met aren't particularly fussy about two eyes as they are a guy who can laugh about only having the one. Most guys have two eyes so they're not going to stand out as much, they're just going to be average. The eye-patch tends to draw as much positive attention as negative really, so it's crappy in some ways, and in other ways, well, it hasn't been all bad

Tarzana2 · 08-02-2015 02:32AM

Wibbs wrote: »

As I've said before the Miss World of say 1960 wouldn't have a hope of getting past the regional competitions of today, never mind win the title.

Not sure about this, for the Miss Americas down the years at least, measurements haven't gone down that much in recent times if at all, and it's not just because the contestants were shorter back in the day, they varied just as much really as now. In fact, a lot of the measurements decades ago are really tiny by today's standards.

Tarzana2 · 08-02-2015 02:34AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

You often hear skinny people say they eats loads but just cannot put on weight, but they and their bigger friends greatly overestimate what the skinny person puts in their mouth.

My very thin boyfriend eats an enormous amount at all meals, way more than he'd need, energy-wise. Believe me, I know, I live with the guy and do most of the cooking. And I'm very clued in on portion sizes.

Venus In Furs · 08-02-2015 02:45AM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

My very thin boyfriend eats an enormous amount at all meals, way more than he'd need, energy-wise. Believe me, I know, I live with the guy and do most of the cooking. And I'm very clued in on portion sizes.

Yeh, I think it's fair to say most people's metabolism is neither fast nor slow, but there are outliers - like your boyfriend and my friend.

Littlekittylou · 08-02-2015 03:30AM

Kirby wrote: »

This is just something fat people say. Lets be real here.

That is what they said to this girl

LOOK AT THEM LEGS!

And this girl.

This is just something fat people say.

Let's be real that is something disordered people say. People who are are overly obsessed with thinness and appearance.

I am very thin. And it is not to every person's taste and it does not look right in all kids of clothes. That is just a fact.

I can guarantee you the Alison stokke type figure or Monica Belluci or Kim Kardashian or Nigella would get way more attention than mine. That's fine by me by the way.

Look at paintings from history. Look at the Mona Lisa.

Kat Dennings is freaking hot! Sofia Vergera is hot and most men would agree.
Thin is subjective. In the ballet world polina semionova is curvy. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Atanua/media/polina_semionova8.jpg.html

https://lostnene.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/polina-semionova-la-bayadc3a8re-rehearsal-6.jpg

https://36.media.tumblr.com/d03c80acc5f16a4c8bf1c4230b0033f8/tumblr_mfyx41fiqH1s26rmyo1_500.jpg
Her calves were considered ..too 'big'
https://lostnene.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/polina-semionova-rehearsing-maurice-bc3a9jarts-bolc3a9ro-c2a9-lauren-pasche.jpg

Dancers like her were originally considered too curvy for ballet. That is not a healthy standard.

What society considers beautiful is different in various areas of society. A page three girl would not make it on the runway. A runway model would not make it in page three.

Sylvie Guillem was considered to have the most beautiful ballet body type in her day.

http://moreintelligentlife.com/files/Push2.jpg

She in her prime was a great dancer and her size was natural but I don't think most people would use the word Hot to describe her though. But she was the hottest thing in the ballet world for some time. She was the first one to use the 'six o'clock' position in leg extensions.

Side note ...THAT IS AN ATHLETE

But now a new generation of girls who do ballet think the dancer who was told he had a 'fatty chest' and 'big calves' is to die for.

It might seem like not much has changed to most women but in dance it' s huge.

Now Misty Copeland is trying to further break down barriers. https://ionehellobeautiful.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/misty-copeland.jpg?w=420

She had already danced firebird in NY.

I have seen what happens to people who have a greed for thinness in later years. It is horrific. It is serious. It's as serious as any other illness. Even short bouts of it does serious damage. It's the same for men too.

Never crash diet. Infact don't diet just eat healthy.

DoYouEvenLift · 08-02-2015 04:24AM

I was one of those skinny people who claimed I could never gain weight no matter how much I ate, and looking back I was ignorant. If someone wants to actually truly gain weight then they'll do it. A lot of people really overestimate how many calories they get daily and it wasn't until I started counting calories was I able to see how far off I actually was from eating enough to be able to get dem gains. I rarely count calories or even weigh food now since I'm pretty much used to cooking the same portions for everything so anyone who thinks counting calories is difficult and a lot of effort is making excuses. Normally I was only getting just over 2,000/day but actually needed over 3,000 to gain weight and within a few weeks of an honestly poor attempt at trying to be consistent with getting 3,000 I noticed I'd finally started gaining weight. After getting positive results from the half arsed effort I made sure to change my habits and stick with it. At first the increase in food intake was hard to actually finish everyday but like everything I got used to it and it worked out well.

When you get even just a casual interest in fitness and health it's very easy to change bad habits and work towards whatever goals you have, whether it's weight loss or weight gain, since you're constantly learning new things to help. Even though I went from skinny to lean I still find people's transformations who went from fat/obese to a healthy weight a lot more motivating for some reason, there's something really great about seeing someone who was obviously in a really bad slump decide to change and work hard to get out.

Littlekittylou · 08-02-2015 04:30AM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

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When you get even just a casual interest in fitness and health it's very easy to change bad habits and work towards whatever goals you have, whether it's weight loss or weight gain, since you're constantly learning new things to help. Even though I went from skinny to lean I still find people's transformations who went from fat/obese to a healthy weight a lot more motivating for some reason, there's something really great about seeing someone who was obviously in a really bad slump decide to change and work hard to get out.

Any change towards health is good. Glad it worked out for you.:) Long may the journey continue.

08-02-2015 09:58AM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

I was one of those skinny people who claimed I could never gain weight no matter how much I ate, and looking back I was ignorant. If someone wants to actually truly gain weight then they'll do it. A lot of people really overestimate how many calories they get daily and it wasn't until I started counting calories was I able to see how far off I actually was from eating enough to be able to get dem gains. I rarely count calories or even weigh food now since I'm pretty much used to cooking the same portions for everything so anyone who thinks counting calories is difficult and a lot of effort is making excuses. Normally I was only getting just over 2,000/day but actually needed over 3,000 to gain weight and within a few weeks of an honestly poor attempt at trying to be consistent with getting 3,000 I noticed I'd finally started gaining weight. After getting positive results from the half arsed effort I made sure to change my habits and stick with it. At first the increase in food intake was hard to actually finish everyday but like everything I got used to it and it worked out well.

When you get even just a casual interest in fitness and health it's very easy to change bad habits and work towards whatever goals you have, whether it's weight loss or weight gain, since you're constantly learning new things to help. Even though I went from skinny to lean I still find people's transformations who went from fat/obese to a healthy weight a lot more motivating for some reason, there's something really great about seeing someone who was obviously in a really bad slump decide to change and work hard to get out.

Yeh I'm definitely not someone who isn't very aware of what I'm eating. I gained a huge amount of weight when I hit a very bad place in my life and wouldn't exercise and madd very bad food choices. I couldn't bring myself to get up and cook healthy meals or anything like that.

I've lost around 2.5 stone since I copped the fcuk on but I'm stuck at this weight now for about a year. I run 4-5 times a week and I lift/crossfit 2-3 times a week and my diet is very good.

I just want to feel like a ride in a bikini is all, is that too much to ask for? :P

Mister Vain · 08-02-2015 10:01AM

I was in hospital for a while back in 2009 and lost a lot of weight as a result. As soon as I got out I did some food shopping. I bought stuff like weight gainers, pasta, peanut butter, cheese, pancakes etc. Force fed myself for a month. I was consuming nearly 5000 calories a day. It wouldn't have been possible without the weight gainer shakes though. 600 calories per serving 3 times a day.

Wang King · 08-02-2015 10:08AM

My name is URL wrote: »

50 Cent damn near killed himself losing weight for a role a few years back in which he played a cancer patient. He lost over 4 stone in under 2 months!

http://i.imgur.com/6HWwD0F.jpg

Still can't act worth a **** though

Roar · 08-02-2015 11:17AM

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Seems like he was bulimic.

He could read minds?!???

mzungu · 08-02-2015 12:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeh I'm definitely not someone who isn't very aware of what I'm eating. I gained a huge amount of weight when I hit a very bad place in my life and wouldn't exercise and madd very bad food choices. I couldn't bring myself to get up and cook healthy meals or anything like that.

I've lost around 2.5 stone since I copped the fcuk on but I'm stuck at this weight now for about a year. I run 4-5 times a week and I lift/crossfit 2-3 times a week and my diet is very good.

I just want to feel like a ride in a bikini is all, is that too much to ask for? :P

I read in an article a few weeks ago that our bodies settle on a healthy weight after a period of time.

So, the idea is that after a long-standing commitment to regular exercise and a crap-cutting way of life, your body with recalibrate itself to a kind of resting place - a settling point, a weight at which it is most comfortable and likes to stay around, give or take 6 lb or so. It has always been and will always be an artificial nonsense to choose a number of pounds to lose or to pick a specific goal weight. Or be dictated to by a diet that says “lose 7lb in seven days” irrespective of what your starting weight is. Let your body dictate, not a book or a ‘diet’. Listen to your body and drown out the nonsense coming at you from outside of it. Once you are within the normal healthy weight range for your gender, age and height, then settle into it and make friends with the real you.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/the-grit-doctor-has-had-enough-it-s-time-to-cut-the-crap-1.2067482

The point is valid I feel, no reason to push yourself towards losing anything in search of an ideal, if you feel healthy then chances are your are at a natural size which allows it to function properly. If you have been trying to loose the weight for a while with nothing happening, its most likely a sign that your at your optimum weight and going lower may have adverse health effects.

TLDR As long as you feel in tip top shape, then no need to worry about anything else.

Donegal Dan · 08-02-2015 02:40PM

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Yeh, I think it's fair to say most people's metabolism is neither fast nor slow

It's fair to say as well that metabolism decides to go on holidays and never really come back once you hit 30. The intake of food I could do daily and maintain a jean size (or even two) lower than I am now when I was 20 was unreal.

Venus In Furs · 08-02-2015 02:51PM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

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I've read horrific things about prestigious ballet companies in terms of the amount of starving that goes on; similar to the catwalk models.

I don't understand the requirement for being unhealthily thin if a catwalk model; seems a weird way to advertise clothes.

Victoria's Secret models ftw.

Tarzana2 · 08-02-2015 03:43PM

Venus In Furs wrote: »

I don't understand the requirement for being unhealthily thin if a catwalk model; seems a weird way to advertise clothes.

It's to show the cut and line of the clothes - human clothes hangers need only apply.

As for Victoria's Secret models. Even a generous B cup is pushing it as too big a bust to model for them these days.

Littlekittylou · 08-02-2015 08:41PM

Wang King wrote: »

Still can't act worth a **** though

It needed to be said. Thank you.

Littlekittylou · 08-02-2015 09:17PM

Venus In Furs wrote: »

I've read horrific things about prestigious ballet companies in terms of the amount of starving that goes on; similar to the catwalk models.

I don't understand the requirement for being unhealthily thin if a catwalk model; seems a weird way to advertise clothes.

Victoria's Secret models ftw.

Much worse. They are exercising and doing something damaging to the body anyway ballet is taxing. Pointe ruins feet and high extension dancing ruins the hips depending on genetics.

I take ballet twice a week and have done for years. I have done a couple of workshops that go on during the summer. I love dance any form. But the workshops usually have lots of levels I would meet women from other countries too who would be from full time ballet schools or girls who had been professional dancers and now teachers. Most of them had at least some issues there.

A couple of teachers literally ruined their health permanently through that kind of illness.

Monica Loughman did a series for channel four that was great called big ballet which encouraged overweight people to enjoy dance.

I think it really is interesting because she understands the issues ballet has and the separate issues wider society has with insecurity about body. She explained it's about being physical and streamlined. When she met them she did not think about shape but was trying to get them to be physical and that means using the whole of your body. I notice that 'bigger' people tend to be afraid to. They hunch their shoulders, whereas ballet gets you to 'announce' your presence not just to the audience but to other dancers so you can just feel where everyone is going to move and your own brain can co-ordinate better.
Here is the first episode.

And before anyone gets on my case. I am skinny. But I think it's great! :P And it is interesting to me to see ballet moves on larger bodies and to see the line that creates. There is a language of dance and it's more expressive with contrast.

I think it would make some of my mates come to ballet with me!

I did it as a teen and I returned on and off in my twenties. I started pointe again even only I kept losing my big toenails (they just fell off) so I am laying off pointe for a while, they still won't grow back normally :mad:

I run three times a week and I go to the gym but mostly I walk around the gym wondering what I should be doing.

As for ballet the body image thing affects men too.Wayne Sleep was the smallest at 5'2 to be allowed into the Royal Ballet. But Barysnikov perhaps one of the GREATEST male dancers of all time was only 5'5

Baryshnikov is considered the most technically gifted dancer in the US (he defected to the US from the USSR in his twenties). But in his dance school in leningrad he was tormented by his failure to grow as tall as his male classmates. He was terrified he would lose his place. But whereas nature did not make him tall it made him as strong as an ox. He would chose the bigger taller partners in class and you can see it even on stage he could lift girls much bigger than himself high over his head with more ease than most other male dancers.

The whole size thing for women is partially to do with the fact that they must be lifted. And obviously you cannot hurt the men. In professional dance there has to be a level of fitness. But I do think in future choreography there should be more dancing and less lifting. (Sniffs, nose in air)

Makes you think though what we expect of the body.

It is just a mammal body though. Crazy diets are crazy. I mean would you feed a bird that ate berries chicken and expect it to be ok?

It bothers me that girls or men who are meant to be naturally a certain size don't feel that they are free to eat when hungry.

Littlekittylou · 08-02-2015 09:17PM

Baryshnikov needs his own thread by the way.

Ihatecuddles · 08-02-2015 09:23PM

Off topic, apologies... But was it not really painful when your toenails fell off?? Ouch!

One eyed Jack · 08-02-2015 09:30PM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

Baryshnikov needs his own thread by the way.

Lou I think YOU need your own thread!

Is there any chance you could do a ballet AMA? Truly fascinating last few posts there!

Always admired Nureyev as a performer myself

Littlekittylou · 08-02-2015 09:31PM

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

Off topic, apologies... But was it not really painful when your toenails fell off?? Ouch!

Nope. It looks awful tough.

Littlekittylou · 08-02-2015 09:36PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Lou I think YOU need your own thread!

Is there any chance you could do a ballet AMA? Truly fascinating last few posts there!

Always admired Nureyev as a performer myself

Nureyez was a gifted artist but not anywhere near as technically proficient as Barsyhnikov. But he could convey a lot. He could be a little trite sometimes especially with Fontyn but yes he was great.

My mother saw him dance in london once. :-)

I am only an amateur Ballerina so I dunno if an AMA is appropriate I have been doing it a few years on and off at this stage though. But I would be happy to do it if people were interested.

Littlekittylou · 08-02-2015 09:43PM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

Nope. It looks awful tough.

Nope ...it looks awful TOE ....:o boom boom

hahahah sorry ..I'll get me coat.

Wang King · 08-02-2015 09:50PM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

Nope ...it looks awful TOE ....:o boom boom

hahahah sorry ..I'll get me coat.

Just read the last page of posts.
Soccer players have the same problem in so far as they wear boots 1-2 sizes too small for them +for greater control of the ball] and they always lose their big toenails...........for what its worth,due to a medical condition, I lose all mine and my fingernails too....it definitely ain't pretty

08-02-2015 09:54PM

Same with runners, most runners will lose toenails at some point. Is yocky.

Mark Wahlberg lived on liquids + nuts for 6 months. What was your most extreme diet?

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