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Your Airbag · 05-02-2015 09:49PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

If he's allowed to leave and wages put towards a top level winger or midfielder, then we may be better off. We'll still need another striker, but we might not need a 300k a week striker.

Losing Falcao and replacing him with, say, Pogba or Bale, and then someone like Lacazette or along his level, the team balance might be stronger.

Putting his wages towards a top level winger or midfielder? So Falcao is on about £265k a week costing us around 24 m a season.

Pogba and Bale will probably cost 24m x 3 to buy in and thats before there wages are accounted for which will be high if there agent has anything to do with it.

Weve saved about 210k in wages off loading Clev, Fletch and Anderson. I'm more than happy to throw that money at Falcaos weekly payslip.

If we are to have a defensive rebuild we will be rising the wage bill a lot anywaway. Raf is on 60k, Jones is on 50k, Evans 65k and Smalling 60k. I can't imagine a top CB coming in on those wages, we might need to ship two to cover ones wages.

If your talking about saving wages and wingers, Young is on 118k and although improving is not world class. Reus or Bale would still demand more pw even if we shipped Young out.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 05-02-2015 09:56PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Putting his wages towards a top level winger or midfielder? So Falcao is on about £265k a week costing us around 24 m a season.

Pogba and Bale will probably cost 24m x 3 to buy in and thats before there wages are accounted for which will be high if there agent has anything to do with it.

Weve saved about 210k in wages off loading Clev, Fletch and Anderson. I'm more than happy to throw that money at Falcaos weekly payslip.

If we are to have a defensive rebuild we will be rising the wage bill a lot anywaway. Raf is on 60k, Jones is on 50k, Evans 65k and Smalling 60k. I can't imagine a top CB coming in on those wages, we might need to ship two to cover ones wages.

If your talking about saving wages and wingers, Young is on 118k and although improving is not world class. Reus or Bale would still demand more pw even if we shipped Young out.

Where are you getting all these figures from?

bucketybuck · 05-02-2015 10:00PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

If LVG lets Falcao leave after one season at UTD, a player that any team in the world would jump at the chance to have, after one seaon where he has hardly been used, well then LVG will come accross as a very stubborn fool imo.

Falcao is quality, younger then our other two strikers and looks like he can handle the physical side of the EPL. His attitude is great, he always seems prepared to drop back and get stuck in when he's getting no service.

If he's allowed to leave it will be one of the dumbest moves a UTD manager has ever made. Very very dumb.

Its like the old movie adage, show don't tell.

We hear plenty of posts like this about how good Falcao is but this season we simply haven't seen it on the field. He's looked grand, has a bit about him, but has he shown that he is worth £40m+? No he has not.

Its going to take £40m+ to buy this guy. If it was £10m then sure, take a punt. But its £40m+, and as it stands it is not a dumb move to pass on that deal, because he hasn't proven that he is worth it. What he did in the past matters little, he is getting a season long audition and he hasn't done enough.

You want a dumb move? Wasting money on Falcao and shoving our best striker into midfield, nows thats a dumb move.

Lord TSC · 05-02-2015 10:03PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You want a dumb move? Wasting money on Falcao and shoving our best striker into midfield, nows thats a dumb move.

3 managers have now seen Rooney's future away from the striker position. Fergie looked set to have had an exit strategy set up and was playing Rooney behind the main striker. Moyes also played Rooney in the No 10 position. And now LVG has moved him into the center of midfield too.

For whatever reason, the managers he's playing under have opted for other strikers ahead of him when possible, and perhaps at some stage we need to ask why....

bucketybuck · 05-02-2015 10:08PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

and perhaps at some stage we need to ask why....

I'll ask, because I haven't got a clue. Its certainly not based on his performances in midfield!

Your Airbag · 05-02-2015 10:09PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its like the old movie adage, show don't tell.

We hear plenty of posts like this about how good Falcao is but this season we simply haven't seen it on the field. He's looked grand, has a bit about him, but has he shown that he is worth £40m+? No he has not.

Its going to take £40m+ to buy this guy. If it was £10m then sure, take a punt. But its £40m+, and as it stands it is not a dumb move to pass on that deal, because he hasn't proven that he is worth it. What he did in the past matters little, he is getting a season long audition and he hasn't done enough.

You want a dumb move? Wasting money on Falcao and shoving our best striker into midfield, nows thats a dumb move.

Even dumber is ignoring the fact Rooney is seen as a MF by LVG nd RVP is in his thirties.

If Falcao is let go we will have to get in another striker. Who else do people think we can get in and for what price? I can't see a top class forward moving in the summer.

Lets not rule out the fact Falcao could reloacte within the EPL if he's let go. Would people like to see him in a City or Chelsea shirt.

bucketybuck · 05-02-2015 10:16PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

If Falcao is let go we will have to get in another striker.

No, we could just have our manager take his head out of his arse and play Wayne Rooney in his proper position.

Rayne Wooney · 05-02-2015 10:17PM

Rooney will take €80 million from the club over the next 4 years

We could probably buy Pogba and pay him a years wages from that

2 years wages even

Will I Amnt · 05-02-2015 10:18PM

What is Falcao expected to cost? I really like him and I'd love to see him kick on now but there's no sense in making it permanant unless he does.

MythicalMadMan · 05-02-2015 10:24PM

Has any striker played well this season for us in any game? Not just counting goals scored but has played a good game. Few performances have been ok-good. Would any other striker in the world have been great for us playing up front this season. I doubt it.

Impossible to judge Falcao accuretly on what we have seen on the pitch this season.

Many of the arguements seem to be coming about keeping or getting a player comes at the cost of another player but that doesnt seem to be the case. If we are willing to splash the cash sign em all up but adress the areas that need to be please.

Quandary · 05-02-2015 10:32PM

He has played quite well and works very hard for the team but £40m is a serious chunk of change for striker who will be turning 29 this month and hasn't hit the ground sprinting. He would want to be having a very impressive end to the season to warrant buying him. I hope LVG continues to start him so we can really see if he is still capable of playing to the stand he was before his injury.

Trond · 05-02-2015 10:33PM

MythicalMadMan wrote: »

Has any striker played well this season for us in any game? Not just counting goals scored but has played a good game. Few performances have been ok-good. Would any other striker in the world have been great for us playing up front this season. I doubt it.

Impossible to judge Falcao accuretly on what we have seen on the pitch this season.

Many of the arguements seem to be coming about keeping or getting a player comes at the cost of another player but that doesnt seem to be the case. If we are willing to splash the cash sign em all up but adress the areas that need to be please.

Speaking to a couple of lads i know who've been over to 5 or 6 matches this season and they all said generally our strikers are still making the right runs off the ball but they're simply not getting the service.

Type of thing you're not going to see on match of the day. Falcao in particular

Pro. F · 05-02-2015 10:37PM

Falcao has started to look really good to me. He hasn't scored enough, but the team are playing fairly shíte and he's still doing great work with his movement and work-rate. I'm confident that given a little time and better play from the rest of the team the variance would play itself out and he'd be back to his normal scoring rate. If we needed a striker I'd be confident that he's good enough. But we don't need a striker and the price is too much.

If LVG in the summer proposes to spend big on another CF and keep Rooney playing in midfield then he should be laughed at and sacked. Rooney, RVP, Hernandez and Wilson is more than enough CFs. Now go and find some proper midfielders to spend the money on.

bucketybuck · 05-02-2015 10:40PM

MythicalMadMan wrote: »

Impossible to judge Falcao accuretly on what we have seen on the pitch this season.

If you can't accurately judge him then you can't spend £40m on him.

PhlegmyMoses · 05-02-2015 10:43PM

RVP turns 32 before the start of next season. I wouldn't be putting a huge pile of faith in him as our main striker given his age and general injury history. And Rooney is seemingly not seen as a striker.

LVG has ramped up Falcao's playing time in recent weeks and we will start to see the benefits of this. If he gets 10 goals between now and May with no signs that his knees are about to pop, I think we will sign him. And so we should.

Rayne Wooney · 05-02-2015 10:52PM

If you break it down Falcao has a goal every 190 minutes, just under a goal every 2 games

That kind of form would give a striker 17 goals in a full season and he's been injured, played inconsistently, expected to be Peter Crouch at times

There's no doubt the guy is a predator and given a full season would probably match the likes of Aguero and Costa, if we are happy to shell out the money to Rooney playing in midfield then it's a no brainer signing Falcao permanently

MythicalMadMan · 05-02-2015 10:53PM

Trond wrote: »

Speaking to a couple of lads i know who've been over to 5 or 6 matches this season and they all said generally our strikers are still making the right runs off the ball but they're simply not getting the service.

Type of thing you're not going to see on match of the day. Falcao in particular

Cool ty. I think I'd heard similar too.

I just think some people over react a bit. Is Falcao worth 40 mil I dont know and I dont care once signing him doesnt cost us players in other positions (which it wont going by how much we seem to be willing to outlay atm) and doesnt hamper the future of the clubs finaces (also not going to happen)

We have seen a lot this season from LVG but all the players that have been brought in under his tenure have improved the squad the only one not working out currently but had a good start to the season is Herrea.

Last season we had the ferguson hangover, Moyes was new to being manager of such a big club and woodward was new to his role.

This season LVG new to managing a club with massive media and sponsorship responsibilites and new to managing in the premiership but he has done good in many respects and arguably not as good in others.

We are a team still in transition but woodward seems to have got his act together and hopefully the longer LVG is in charge the team will too.

As they say Rome wasnt built in Bray.

MythicalMadMan · 05-02-2015 10:56PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

If you can't accurately judge him then you can't spend £40m on him.

I cant you cant but a manager working with him week in week out surely can. If he cant then he should be sacked and thats the point you should be making but again we dont know.

MythicalMadMan · 05-02-2015 10:59PM

Pro F. if siging Falcao didnt take money away from other areas of the squad or inhibit the squad in any way. Do you really care if he costs 40mil?

newballsplease · 05-02-2015 11:12PM

We will keep Falcao... RVPs contract is running out so he will be gone... Rooney will tgen revert back to striker and a new CM will be bought. Not this year but next i would say.

nicklauski · 05-02-2015 11:13PM

The reason the strikers aren't getting service is because Rooney would rather try switch the play to the wingers with a raking ball that get's cut out 70% of the time to the winger. The times it does make it to the winger/full back it's Valencia who then tries to maim the full back by hitting him as hard as he can with the ball.

Would I be right in saying our most creative midfielder this year, has been our most defensive.

bucketybuck · 05-02-2015 11:17PM

newballsplease wrote: »

We will keep Falcao... RVPs contract is running out so he will be gone... Rooney will tgen revert back to striker and a new CM will be bought. Not this year but next i would say.

And then they will both be in their thirties, and so we will have to buy another big name striker because they will be old like Van Persie. Is that how this goes?

Pro. F · 05-02-2015 11:18PM

MythicalMadMan wrote: »

Pro F. if siging Falcao didnt take money away from other areas of the squad or inhibit the squad in any way. Do you really care if he costs 40mil?

It's a bit hard to say actually. Seeing quality players being wasted at big clubs (by being played out of position, or left on the bench or whatever) does annoy me. I'd rather watch all the best players playing to their best. So it's hard to know how I'd feel in this particular case.

But the truth is, if we sign Falcao for £45m (iirc) plus wages, then that will affect our budget. Whatever the suits say, we do not have unlimited funds.

Your Airbag · 05-02-2015 11:18PM

I don't get why people are so hung up on wages in this thread.

Are we not the second richest club in the world? We can afford these players. You'd swear it was coming out of our pockets.

If we can afford it whats the problem? Lets go after and buy the best.

Pro. F · 05-02-2015 11:22PM

nicklauski wrote: »

Would I be right in saying our most creative midfielder this year, has been our most defensive.

Great pic and catchphrase.
I'd say Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini and Mata have all been more creative then him myself.

Backstreet Moyes · 05-02-2015 11:29PM

I think we have too many strikers as it is i would rather we play one up front with two pacey players cutting in from the wings. Ideally getting Bale in would be fantastic.

Falcao

Di Maria

Janjuaz

yabadabado · 05-02-2015 11:30PM

I think Falcao is a fantastic player and we haven't seen the best of him so far this season for a number of reasons but between him,RVP and Rooney the strike force is at or past their peak.I can see why people would be questioning the judgement of signing Falcao and maybe it would be better long term to buy a younger striker(Lacazette would be my choice) this summer.
I would probably prefer to see RVP sold this summer and bring in a young striker and have Falcao as the main striker.
Falcao,Wilson,new CF and Rooney as next seasons quartet .

The current squad is so unbalanced and needs to be sorted out properly this summer.A CB,FB,CM an a pacey winger/attacker are badly needed.

Backstreet Moyes · 05-02-2015 11:33PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

I don't get why people are so hung up on wages in this thread.

Are we not the second richest club in the world? We can afford these players. You'd swear it was coming out of our pockets.

If we can afford it whats the problem? Lets go after and buy the best.

I just don't know if i would trust giving LVG a big war chest. I don't think he is getting the best out of the players he has. He is putting players out of position to get them on the field and it's just not coming together.

I mean Di Maria up front
Rooney cm
Valencia rb
Young lb

MythicalMadMan · 05-02-2015 11:34PM

Pro. F wrote: »

It's a bit hard to say actually. Seeing quality players being wasted at big clubs (by being played out of position, or left on the bench or whatever) does annoy me. I'd rather watch all the best players playing to their best. So it's hard to know how I'd feel in this particular case.

But the truth is, if we sign Falcao for £45m (iirc) plus wages, then that will affect our budget. Whatever the suits say, we do not have unlimited funds.

I'd agree with you that we dont have unlimited resources. My question was hyperbolic just to get your thoughts. I just dont think 40mil on falcao would affect the club spending massively. Im also not too bothered if he stays or goes just once the club moves in the right directions in terms of its squad development.

Pro. F · 05-02-2015 11:53PM

MythicalMadMan wrote: »

I'd agree with you that we dont have unlimited resources. My question was hyperbolic just to get your thoughts. I just dont think 40mil on falcao would affect the club spending massively. Im also not too bothered if he stays or goes just once the club moves in the right directions in terms of its squad development.

It's £45m that he would cost from what I remember. Last summer (according to transfermarkt) we spent £108m net, so 45m would represent nearly half of our largest ever summer spend. When we start spending 200m consistently every year then I'll start to agree with you, but right now I think you're jumping the gun a bit.

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