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Staffie dog hogtied and cooked alive over a fire at The Curragh

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  • #92
    Whispered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    This happened down the road from me :( I know the vets involved and they are fantastic - both of my dogs brought back from the brink of death by them.

    I feel sick thinking about it, I hope the gardai are taking it seriously. To think someone with that ability for cruelty is wandering around is worrying. Somebody knows who did this, somebody recognises this dog. I'd happily donate to a "reward for information" fund - the person who did this needs to be found and evaluated.


  • #93
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    K4t wrote: »
    There's no denying the guy has problems. Possibly serious ones. But the majority of people are thinking emotionally rather than rationally about this case, which is understandable, but not necessarily right.

    Ah come on. The pain of being cooked alive would be immense. That poor dog would have been in great distress. Anyone who could stand by and not be affected by that doesn't have a heart. Saying that you plan on eating the dog doesn't excuse the torture involved in killing it.


  • #94
    [Deleted User]
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    K4t wrote: »
    There's no denying the guy has problems. Possibly serious ones. But the majority of people are thinking emotionally rather than rationally about this case, which is understandable, but not necessarily right.

    Here's rational - humans are animals too, with a little more intelligence. We're supposed to know better. To seperate humans from animals is to apply human context, emotion and understanding of the world (god, chosen species, here for a purpose that puts us above animals etc etc) to your understanding of day to day life.

    You are the one being irrational, you just can't comprehend it. But then again, some of us animals are a little less smart than others. Doesn't mean we'll be roasting you over a fire.


  • #95
    lazza14
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    He was still trying to lick your hand – that’s the awful sad part, he’d forgive you, you know, it’s just very sad.

    That had me welling up - absolute savagery ... what kind of mind does this ?


  • #96
    Zanablue
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    I just read this and feel sick and sad. It made me go and give my dog an extra hug. Hope the brats that did this are caught and punished for what they did to that poor little dog.


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  • #97
    K4t
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    The other fella wrote: »
    1.Google can lead you to studies proving these things.

    2.He put him over a low burning fire, while he was still alive,and then went away and left him there.If your cooking chicken, do you light fires in a racecourse, hogtie the bird and hang him over it while hes still alive and then leave?
    There is no conclusive evidence. Only studies.

    I don't personally. I'm not arguing against the horrific nature of this, I'm arguing against the horrific reaction by some people to what happened.
    Sergio Georgini wrote: »
    Here's rational - humans are animals too, with a little more intelligence. We're supposed to know better. To seperate humans from animals is to apply human context, emotion and understanding of the world (god, chosen species, here for a purpose that puts us above animals etc etc) to your understanding of day to day life.
    Of course. My argument is that we should not value one animal as more important than another under our human laws.
    eviltwin wrote: »
    Ah come on. The pain of being cooked alive would be immense. That poor dog would have been in great distress. Anyone who could stand by and not be affected by that doesn't have a heart. Saying that you plan on eating the dog doesn't excuse the torture involved in killing it.
    I never said I wasn't affected by it. It's horrific. What I am saying is that anyone arguing that this is cause for the perpetrator to be imprisoned or put down himself and so on is engaging in hypocrisy and using their affiliation with dogs as opposed to other animals to cloud their judgement. It can't be one rule for one animal and a different rule for another.


  • #98
    Ave Sodalis
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    K4t wrote: »

    Of course. My argument is that we should not value one animal as more important than another under our human laws.

    I'm not sure if you mean that animals are equal to each other here or if you mean that humans are above animals?


  • #99
    The other fella
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    K4t wrote: »
    There is no conclusive evidence. Only studies.

    I don't personally. I'm not arguing against the horrific nature of this, I'm arguing against the horrific reaction by some people to what happened.

    Of course. My argument is that we should not value one animal as more important than another under our human laws.

    I never said I wasn't affected by it. It's horrific. What I am saying is that anyone arguing that this is cause for the perpetrator to be imprisoned or put down himself and so on is engaging in hypocrisy and using their affiliation with dogs as opposed to other animals to cloud their judgement. It can't be one rule for one animal and a different rule for another.

    You are obviously a vegan of course, arent you?


  • #100
    The other fella
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    Fair play to the organisation who came to help him too, even just for comforting him in his last few hours.I always think id love to do something in that line of work, but imagine turning up to a scene like that.

    The people working/volunteering there should be proud of themselves for what they do.


  • #101
    [Deleted User]
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    K4t wrote: »
    Hold on, so according to both of you and others, the life of a dog is more valuable than that of the lamb or a chicken or a pig or a fly or a spider (many of which we kill, torture and eat everyday) but you want similar punishments for abuse and torture of dogs as there are for humans? You are equating a dog's life to that of a human and therefore implying that all human life is not equal at the same time.


    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others?


    K4t I started a thread on when animal cruelty becomes 'acceptable' ,for want of a better word, the further down the food chain you go. Dogs being hurt would be inexcusable according to most obviously whereas spiders etc wouldn't garner as much sympathy. You might take a look and check out some peoples opinions on which animals are more equal than others. Feel free to add your own on it too and we might generate a bit more discussion.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=89930276


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  • #102
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    K4t wrote: »
    I never said I wasn't affected by it. It's horrific. What I am saying is that anyone arguing that this is cause for the perpetrator to be imprisoned or put down himself and so on is engaging in hypocrisy and using their affiliation with dogs as opposed to other animals to cloud their judgement. It can't be one rule for one animal and a different rule for another.

    It's not the same. People buy their meat already dead, there is a disconnect between the animal and the packet you pick up in a shop. This person took a dog, tied it and lit a fire. That's hard enough to do with a dead animal but with a living one? It's not comparable to cooking a steak.


  • #103
    Lau2976
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    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    I don't know what's more disturbing what happened to the dog or that a lot of posters are saying they would value the life of a dog more than most humans. Do people still openly preach violence against cats in after hours ? i have been away for a few years it used to be acceptable

    I don't think its disturbing at all and I'm happy to admit to anybody that asks that I feel this way. People have evolved to become sadistic and selfish for the sake of it. Animals have not. Animals place complete trust in the humans around them and we exploit that. That's what's disturbing.

    Given complete strangers, one an animal and one a human, I'm not sure what I would do, it would depend on a number of factors. But I would, and have, ignored my own personal safety for my dog. I owe her that for hr complete affection and trust that she gives me everyday.


  • #104
    [Deleted User]
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    The other fella wrote: »
    You are obviously a vegan of course, arent you?



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFBeeBSIH5Q


  • #105
    The other fella
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFBeeBSIH5Q



    I actually thought of the episode when Apu is a vegan and thinks of lisa as a monster for just being vegetarian earlier in the thread. :p


  • #106
    [Deleted User]
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    Whoever did that should be shot, simple as that.


  • #107
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    sup_dude wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you mean that animals are equal to each other here or if you mean that humans are above animals?
    One animal cannot be treated as equal to humans and the rest as simply animals required to be mutilated and killed for survival, under the law.
    The other fella wrote: »
    You are obviously a vegan of course, arent you?
    Nope. I love meat. I'm not a hypocrite either. I also have a cat who is possibly my best friend in the world and who I care for deeply, but I would hope that if someone tied him up over a fire and roasted him, leaving him there to suffer and die (it's hard to even type this) that I would not seek to have that person imprisoned.


  • #108
    Magico Gonzalez
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd happily put my dog above all of you. You're strangers to me, my dog isn't.

    Rough order of my priorities come crunch time would be wife-family-friends-dog-everyone else.

    Thinking about getting another dog, so that knocks you all down one more position. Sorry about that.

    If the person that carried out this horrific act were to meet a horrible end tomorrow, I'd be glad that kharma had squared this one off for the universe. I wouldn't personally harm the person, but I'd not have a problem with the world being short one murderous inbred mouthbreather.


  • #109
    The other fella
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    K4t wrote: »
    One animal cannot be treated as equal to humans and the rest as simply animals required to be mutilated and killed for survival, under the law.


    Nope. I love meat. I'm not a hypocrite either. I also have a cat who is possibly my best friend in the world and who I care for deeply, but I would hope that if someone tied him up over a fire and roasted him, leaving him there to suffer and die (it's hard to even type this) that I would not seek to have that person imprisoned.

    Well next time you eat chicken, will you be having dog the next night?


  • #110
    keithclancy
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    K4t wrote: »
    Hold on, so according to both of you and others, the life of a dog is more valuable than that of the lamb or a chicken or a pig or a fly or a spider (many of which we kill, torture and eat everyday) but you want similar punishments for abuse and torture of dogs as there are for humans? You are equating a dog's life to that of a human and therefore implying that all human life is not equal at the same time.


    All animals are equal but some are more equal than others?

    Actually there are directives for the slaughter of livestock with regard to their well being and minimisation of suffering

    http://ec.europa.eu/food/animal/welfare/transport/legislation_coming_en.htm

    They don't stick live sheep on a spit for example and slowly cook it for fun.


  • #111
    suicide_circus
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    this an absolutely abhorrent act by vile despicable scrotes.

    however, people saying the life of their dog would come before the life of another human is worrying.


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  • #112
    Frog Song
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭Frog Song


    Why does this stupid argument have to come up every time an animal abuse story is posted?! A scumbag tortured a dog for kicks, people eating cows and pigs has nothing to do with this story and doesn't have to come in to it every bloody time! :rolleyes:


  • #113
    SpaceTime
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    That's very worrying and I agree, someone who shows that level of complete lack of empathy for another living creature and who actually tortures it really not someone you'd want roaming the streets.

    Horrible thing to have happened and remember that dogs and cats as advanced mammals have very similar sense of pain and emotions to humans. It's absolutely horrific to think what that poor dog went through.

    I'm sure Ireland's robust animal cruelty legislation will ensure that there brought to justice and fined 2 shillings and let go.

    We need much harsher,custodial penalties for this kind of behaviour.

    I feel physically sick after reading that article.


  • #114
    DamagedTrax
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    K4t wrote: »
    but I would hope that if someone tied him up over a fire and roasted him, leaving him there to suffer and die (it's hard to even type this) that I would not seek to have that person imprisoned.

    neither would i... infact they'd be counting their blessings if they were lucky enough to be imprisoned.

    as someone said earlier its family>friends>my dog>everyone else.


  • #115
    Lau2976
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    this an absolutely abhorrent act by vile despicable scrotes.

    however, people saying the life of their dog would come before the life of another human is worrying.

    Why is it worrying?


  • #116
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Magico Gonzalez wrote: »
    Rough order of my priorities come crunch time would be wife-family-friends-dog-everyone else
    .
    That's fine, as long as you accept that potentially someday there might be a situation whereby a stranger may value their pet over you or your loved ones, allowing you or your wife or kid to die in exchange for the survival of their pet hamster.
    The other fella wrote: »
    Well next time you eat chicken, will you be having dog the next night?
    Possibly?


  • #117
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Lau2976 wrote: »
    Why is it worrying?
    Because in pretty much every imaginable scenario the lives of people should trump the lives of aminals


  • #118
    The other fella
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    SpaceTime wrote: »
    That's very worrying and I agree, someone who shows that level of complete lack of empathy for another living creature and who actually tortures it really not someone you'd want roaming the streets.

    Horrible thing to have happened and remember that dogs and cats as advanced mammals have very similar sense of pain and emotions to humans. It's absolutely horrific to think what that poor dog went through.

    I'm sure Ireland's robust animal cruelty legislation will ensure that there brought to justice and fined 2 shillings and let go.

    We need much harsher,custodial penalties for this kind of behaviour.

    According to some, the best solution is to get him therapy (at the expense of the tax payers) and let him on his way with a nice pat on the head... "Run along now ya little scamp".


  • #119
    Lau2976
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Because in pretty much every imaginable scenario the lives of people should trump the lives of aminals

    No they shouldn't


  • #120
    The other fella
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭The other fella


    K4t wrote: »
    That's fine, as long as you accept that potentially someday there might be a situation whereby a stranger may value their pet over you or your loved ones, allowing you or your wife or kid to die in exchange for the survival of their pet hamster.

    Possibly?

    How often do you eat dog? A couple of times a week or just a once off thing every now and then?


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  • #121
    eviltwin
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    Lau2976 wrote: »
    Why is it worrying?

    I love my dogs but in a situation where I could save either them or a person I'd save the person every time.


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