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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #992
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Are you voting no reprise? Can you please do me the courtesy of listing the reasons why, especially as it is my family who will be effected.

    I haven't decided my vote yet but I don't think it will hinge on my vote either way.


  • #993
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    I haven't decided my vote yet but I don't think it will hinge on my vote either way.

    Can you tell me the reasons that you feel you might vote no? Or any arguments that you have found compelling from the no side.


  • #994
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Then what are you saying?

    You want to stuff words in my mouth and then ask me what I am saying?


  • #995
    spikeS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭spikeS


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Can you tell me the reasons that you feel you might vote no? Or any arguments that you have found compelling from the no side.

    Stop trying to force him to vote yes, he's a bigot for voting no but your hounding and badgering him won't change his mind


  • #996
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    MOD: Okay, this has gone on long enough. Reprise, you're just trolling at this stage. Either be clear and concise or don't post in this thread. Stop trying to wind people up.


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  • #997
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Can you tell me the reasons that you feel you might vote no? Or any arguments that you have found compelling from the no side.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93988668&postcount=160

    You will note that I addressed the family issue here that I am being badgered to repeat.


  • #998
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    reprise wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93988668&postcount=160

    primarily focused on underpinning the family unit
    thus referring to procreation.


  • #999
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    reprise wrote: »
    I can condense. I am of the belief that marriage, by design, was simply not intended for same sex couples as it was focused and based on biological parentage and children within a defined set of parameters.

    If you wish to change those parameters, you must be prepared to defend your reasons. Trying to make out that changing the parameters can redefine marriage and alter the original intent is simply disingenuous. Hence my question asking about the marriage of brothers.
    reprise wrote: »
    You want to stuff words in my mouth and then ask me what I am saying?

    I'm not stuffing any words into your mouth. I'm asking you what you're saying if not what you said

    EDIT: Just seen Mod note


  • #1000
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    Ok, try this:

    Marraige is a contract between two non-related people of opposing gender primarily focused on underpinning the family unit.

    Why shouldn't marriage be available to same sex individuals? Same sex people form families all the time. Many are raising children. Why is it that marriage needs to preclude them?


  • #1001
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Why shouldn't marriage be available to same sex individuals? Same sex people form families all the time. Many are raising children. Why is it that marriage needs to preclude them?

    As quoted by Sup_Dude above, Reprise earlier stated

    "I can condense. I am of the belief that marriage, by design, was simply not intended for same sex couples as it was focused and based on biological parentage and children within a defined set of parameters."

    This makes their referal to it as a "non-issue" in more recent posts confusing.


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  • #1002
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Why shouldn't marriage be available to same sex individuals? Same sex people form families all the time. Many are raising children. Why is it that marriage needs to preclude them?

    It does nothing of the sort. You don't need to be married to have or raise children.


  • #1003
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    It does nothing of the sort. You don't need to be married to have or raise children.

    Answer my question maybe?


  • #1004
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    reprise wrote: »
    It does nothing of the sort. You don't need to be married to have or raise children.

    And you don't need to have or raise children to be married.

    So why are we talking about children all the time?


  • #1005
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    reprise wrote: »
    It does nothing of the sort. You don't need to be married to have or raise children.

    And yet people keep thinking a referendum on SSM involves children.


  • #1006
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    And you don't need to have or raise children to be married.

    So why are we talking about children all the time?

    Because the biological children of marriage are a significant consideration of the raison d'etre of marriage.


  • #1007
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    reprise wrote: »
    Because the biological children of marriage are a significant consideration of the raison d'etre of marriage.

    A minute ago you were saying they were irrelevant...


  • #1008
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    reprise wrote: »
    Because the biological children of marriage are a significant consideration of the raison d'etre of marriage.

    If that's the case, what about the infertile and those who don't wish to have children? Are they to be barred from marriage along with homosexuals?


  • #1009
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    sup_dude wrote: »
    A minute ago you were saying they were irrelevant...

    I think I was stating, and not for the first time, that they are not compulsory.....


  • #1010
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    reprise wrote: »
    I think I was stating, and not for the first time, that they are not compulsory.....

    Then I'm asking, not for the first time, then what's the issue?


  • #1011
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,270 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I think this referendum is a thinly veiled attack on Polygamy

    The Irish Constitution has never restricted marriage to two people before, and as far as I can see this is the only thing that will actually change if we vote yes.


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  • #1012
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Is anybody else slightly worried by the poll? I always perceived boards to be a representation of a younger, more liberal, modern thinking Ireland for the most part.

    Not too far off 1 in 4 No votes and lots of No voters will be reluctant to admit they are voting No so as to hide their homophobia. And obviously plenty of the Yes votes will not bother to vote as per usual.

    That poll is a closer than it looks.


  • #1013
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    I think I was stating, and not for the first time, that they are not compulsory.....

    So the essence of your argument is that marriage ought to remain for heterosexuals regardless of whether they will or can have children and should preclude the inclusion of homosexual couples even those who do have children?

    Can you not see how illogical arbitrary and fundamentally unfair that is?


  • #1014
    spikeS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭spikeS


    K4t wrote: »
    Is anybody else slightly worried by the poll? I always perceived boards to be a representation of a younger, more liberal, modern thinking Ireland for the most part.

    Not too far off 1 in 4 No votes and lots of No voters will be reluctant to admit they are voting No so as to hide their homophobia. And obviously plenty of the Yes votes will not bother to vote as per usual.

    It's a private poll, if anyone boards is going to vote no they would as we wouldn't know who they are.

    With over 75% yes I got it's going to be a white wash the poll is an extremely positive thing to see


  • #1015
    COYVB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    Nodin wrote: »
    As quoted by Sup_Dude above, Reprise earlier stated

    "I can condense. I am of the belief that marriage, by design, was simply not intended for same sex couples as it was focused and based on biological parentage and children within a defined set of parameters."

    This makes their referal to it as a "non-issue" in more recent posts confusing.
    and it ignores the fact that same sex union existed long before the church's definition of marriage did


  • #1016
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    So the essence of your argument is that marriage ought to remain for heterosexuals regardless of whether they will or can have children and should preclude the inclusion of homosexual couples even those who do have children?

    Can you not see how illogical arbitrary and fundamentally unfair that is?

    This is the rabbithole and the final time I will say this. Basing the case for same sex marriage on infertile married couples or those who prefer not to have children is tenuous.


  • #1017
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    reprise wrote: »
    This is the rabbithole and the final time I will say this. Basing the case for same sex marriage on infertile married couples or those who prefer not to have children is tenuous.

    Why?


  • #1018
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    spikeS wrote: »
    It's a private poll, if anyone boards is going to vote no they would as we wouldn't know who they are.
    I didn't know whether it was private or public when voting, I don't think you can know in fact..
    With over 75% yes I got it's going to be a white wash the poll is an extremely positive thing to see
    I think that figure is misleading. I'd say 60% is more realistic. And as I said, that's on boards. Look at the thread for example, 90%+ of posters are for same sex marriage.


  • #1019
    COYVB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    reprise wrote: »
    This is the rabbithole and the final time I will say this. Basing the case for same sex marriage on infertile married couples or those who prefer not to have children is tenuous.

    Why are you taking marriage ONLY on the church's definition of it? Are you very religious? That'd at least give people understanding of your unwavering dedication to a definition thousands of years younger than recorded history, and hundreds of thousands of years younger than humanity


  • #1020
    spikeS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭spikeS


    K4t wrote: »
    I didn't know whether it was private or public when voting.


    I think that figure is misleading. I'd say 60% is more realistic. And as I said, that's on boards. Look at the thread for example, 90%+ of posters are for same sex marriage.

    I would say boards is a very good representation of under 40's Ireland and we have like two no posters in after hours which is like the one board the no voters would come, this board and thread gave me huge hope


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  • #1021
    mickstupp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭mickstupp


    K4t wrote: »
    I didn't know whether it was private or public when voting, I don't think you can know in fact..
    Usually says it on my screen, whether it's public or private. Might be the theme you're using?


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