Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Rebel norrie wrote: »

O Donoghue not up to Intercounty std.

...he is just out of Minor and being played out of position, give the lad a chance.

final v Limerick provisionally fixed for next Saturday in Mallow at 7

http://www.southernstar.ie/Sport/Cork-boss-demands-response-in-league-opener-against-Dubs-23012015.htm

Cork beat Ballyhale in a competitive game.A point up at ht against the wind and pushed on in the second half.Best for Cork were Cahalane(scored a brilliant point in the

1st half), Cronin,Harnedy and Horgan.Horgan especially looking razor sharp.Paudie Sull and Harnedy with the goals.Ballyhale were missing cha and TJ Reid though

shefflin gave Ellis problems especially in the first half.Good to see Conor Lehane get his first run out.Team Nash Kearney Joyce Barry Walsh Ellis Cahalane Cronin


Kearney Harnedy Cooper Lee D McCarthy P.Sull Hoggie Subs Lehane,McLoughlin,Conor Sull ,Cian Mac, Moylan

Orizio wrote: »

...he is just out of Minor and being played out of position, give the lad a chance.

agree time on his side - got caught a few times yest but continued to work hard and has potential

Rebel norrie wrote: »

On another point heard Shane o Neill after walking from panel any one else hear this.

Not true, thankfully. Will be back soon.

In relation to cuthbhert interview it's same old same old exclusive to southern star so imo won't be any ruthless honest realistic assessment from imo normally good paper

Huge huge worry is cuthbhert said in it he's impresses by some new lads in panel

Let's have kook at these

Dewmond been poor imo
Hodnet bring okay at best
Cussen hasn't been great
Mac eoin yes impresses

Duriant been poor
Hazel been poor
Exceptional is donoughge but played out position yet cuthbhert feels young lads sone well
So when league panel is announced imo some these guys be there so nothing has been learned from the mcgrsth cups

He acknowledged fans upset but doesn't imo connect with them
It's like I dint need them
He still failed apologies after kerry defeat
He's imo in management solely an ego lack humble quality of eammon Ryan or Brian cody admit mistakes were made



Again look at munster fall out this week
Neil Francis, Donal lenhihan, ronan o gara,quinny all called spade spade said problems munster have

O gara said didn't like critide them but same time munster would rather that feel sorry for them
Roy Curtis didn't hold back and questioned goes foley for email scandal and jj leaving and selection games and called some things brutal

Look at poor man management this year cork players leaving yet no one cork questions it
No one
Cork football job best job in sport results are never questioned

Humprey kelleher had good piece in paper that pundits some are lazy need re amylase their judge ment and some yes too harsh but others fail call things as they are
Imo cork are classic example

Cork hurling didn't make game y esterday but that was good team and I posted during week lads I wanted see play and most them did

Key note is Joyce starting full back
I posted yesterday he would start full back
I was told that Saturday by fella he'd start full back
Imo hugely significant and great sign that full back being taken seriously
I'm Cahalane played half back but didn't play him threw when could have but they obviously want cover for the position
Normally I'd be against Cahalane at half but yesterday was fine in giving Joyce games
I'm told he was soild under high ball done well

Harnedy and copper all played well as I'm told aidan Walsh at half back and pa cronin
Cork are completely way ahead of where we're this time last year and I'm very confident as told that physical game v ballyhale but cork broke tackles well in most games I saw this year
Landers bring power game to cork but also ruthless intent for goals
Cork must have over fifteen goals in five games this year so far
There's huge statement intent in change cork mindset going for goals
They will beat limerick if want to and tj has played cork three times as manager and lost


Morrissey terrific player hope he starts v Cahalane as good test for Cahalane
I'd say niell moran will start for limerick so who ever marks him should be dominating him as if they struggled with him they have no chance v bubbles or tj Reid for example


Barry getting run games good to see
Cork have huge competition for leauge and that's great
Game is next Saturday
Pity that ard scoil rivhestowm didn't get game before that in mallow and would be ideal curtain raiser imo as both cork limerick ties
It's dilemma next week as cork play Wexford so tough choose in challenge game

Dublin beat kildare as management are getting ready for Sunday
We want have wait Sunday know if cork will win we will know when cork team picked Thursday night probably

Read brilliant piece on ger cunningham I'n Sunday independent yesterday about improvements he's brought in already
I posted here saw them v Waterford and clear see improvement in touch
See cunningham in year one hit ground running
Cuthbhert and co are in year two
Foley is year one on he's own yet he still gets critide
He takes it as expected though
He made very good point yesterday in management and players are in cocoon to an extent they can distance themselves from critics as they create their own kind world but said felt fans as they can't as every day life's they suffer banter with loosing and they have it tough
Imo he made connection with them
Our football management is view fans can critise fair enough and if they don't stick team okay but we'll go on without them
He said day one he'd bring crowds cork football

I'm amazed that some can't see huge difficulties cork have in the league

Smith614 wrote: »

Rochestown V Asr is in Charleville Saturday. Harty cup semi final.

Is that confirmed smith ?, i been keeping an eye out but hadn't seen it. Have you a time?

Cork v limerick Saturday key imo is cork need to have clear indication of for some it's the game for them so you put any lad your unsure bout on limerick best opponent as waste time putting lad on a guy that's a average and he looking good yet come the league better opponents he plays against he's exposed
No fan wants see a cork lad exposed in such circumstances so don't put lads in have no chance

For example Darren McCarthy bar cit game has been just okay didn't do much v clare and morey a top corner back had him in he's pocket
Mccarthy is not as good as others
This imo was always clear as day yet some got carried away club performance without looking true value
So Mccarthy should be put on hickey or Condon
Two good tight corner back who won't give any player freedom so test him this game

Luke needs start v riche maccarthy as riche is one finest full backs game and will hit luke fair but hard
Luke done everything asked for him imo but good test for tough in he's hurling
Imo he'll be different challenge for riche and elusive players can cause riche problem so cork deliveries ball to forward this year been excellent will be crucial so give him fast ball and he'll be fine
Luke I think will be fine so give him the game as he'll be fine for kilkenny game then
I'd give luke a full game
Give paudie a half game v Wexford half here

Walsh is good corner back but hickey Condon in my opinion better
I'd have pa cronin in this line cork will need a target man along the lines so I'd give him game time, and have him rotating

Limerck half back line
Wayne mac, Donal o grady and probably Morrissey but id hope that Condon starts if not corner back

I want limerick to be full strength as much as they can be
I'd not put Lee on Wayne mcnamara
Now Wayne is physical player and strong but I wouldn't be too worried but it's unfair put lee who has been said here is needed do bulk up but that's understandable and imo just out minor they need give him time to develop as he has touch pace and hurling
Lee if starts has be on Condon or Morrissey less physical players
Id be putting kelleher on Wayne mac

Kelleher is a powerhouse and strong and powerful and seen as ball winner well put him on mac as mac lack pace and speed but kelleher has man brilliant in air so good test
I see no benefit in starting cian Mccarthy v Donal o grady as grady legs are gone so cian will win ball break even but its worth nothing this game in o grady fine hurler won't expose Mccarthy lack mobility so Mccarthy will look like he done okay but truth be told he be exposed in thurles or croke park

I'd hope browne starts midfield with king
Terrific player browne is
Start haughney put him on browne and Walsh on king
Walsh is physically good but king sharper hurling so be good test see has Walsh improved again

Haughney needs a physical test to test he's stomach for battle and browne will give him that
Limerick always be fair will give any team bravado and intensity and fire and fury
That's a given.


Limerick half forward line could be niall moran, James Ryan and cian lynch
I'd like lynch on glen o Connor and I think lynch will cause him problems for pace but Glenn tough hurling be fine but doubts only one I have as o Connor lack pace so I'd like him mark lynch
Lynch fast and strong goof test for him
He has everything bar pace so test him v fast opponents In this game
Niall moran could start and if Sullivan on him people must realise niall moran was never great and passed what was he's best so I wouldn't be carried away with Sullivan if holds moran
Minimum standards is moran held by any defender

Lorchan was in trouble at times last week trying cover both sides
I'd have lorchan told mark James Ryan and tell him forget bout other two in if there struggling well sub them
And they will suffer as a result but your only job this game is Ryan who could bag three points if left

But Lorchan is to stick to Ryan
Ryan awesome air so great test for lorchan in the air
Lorchan imo good air and has played awesome at centre back for cit and kanturk at times and be fine

Joyce and Ellis need to be ready to come on

I hope and want Dowling starts limerick
I pray he does
He's terrific player, outstanding full forward and Cahalane will destroy Begley who is poor but that is no good to cork
I'd rather Dowling starts and if he cleans Cahalane we know now he is not the full back answer than Cahalane lord it against Begley

This be great tussle but I expect Dowling cause him huge head ache but once Cahalane doesn't allow him get goals and limits him he'll be fine job well done and I think Cahalane can will do that
No body can or will dominated player like Dowling but you limited the damage job well done
Cahalane another huge test for him
Cork fans should pray Dowling starts
I'd hope that Morrissey starts also terrific player and he's ideal test for cork I'n been outstanding ul freshers v clare under twenty one last week I heard and then he's outstanding minor munster minor player year and been good been limerick v Dublin challenge so he be good test for Sean O donoughge
He's height, pace, mobility is good test and so great test for him

I think o donoughge has huge ask but he's playing lad he's age group just out minor he's likely face at under twenty one down line so give him job mark him
Sean bourke good defender got taken five points in minor game last year v limerick by Tom so landers aware he's strengths

Start donoughge who strong and fast but if he's trouble make a switch and Adrian breen goal getter buy he's good under high ball will be good test conor Sullivan

Adrian breen I player rate very highly but Sullivan brilliantly but high balls on him imo be test for him
That limerick full forward line if starts Is potent and very good hurling so imperative cork start Sullivan and Cahalane

If they start Kearney then imo Cahalane could be under huge pressure so this real test hopefully for him so you must give him protection at corner-back back

This could be good test for cork and while win is good its not be end all in cork have got as many games as they could from it so I'd actually take risk in some but not all match ups in I'd play some lads you know you remain be convinced bout aera he's game on player particularly string that aera of he's game so see how he fares
Better find out now than in the league

Also if player in trouble give him the half at most but don't wait all day make changes
Colleges have players this week also so it's lot games some cork lads won't be involved but cork should if they want win it should but the Wexford game if goes ahead same day means cork are limited I'n panel in be hard ask lads play full game and half v limerick but if managed right and key players like horgan, cronin, Ellis, harnedy, horgan, Kearney could play half each it's fine

Wexford is the ideal game for the likes of Stephen Murphy, daire lordan and john cronin get games along with Spillane, Murphy and Barry etc
Results against Wexford isn't important rather look for individual performances
Id be picking large league panel around thirty five go out won ist three games kilkenny Dublin and clare once division one secured you're guaranteed your quatre final play lot fringe lads v Galway and tipperary
Cork must hit the ground running so they can give them selves room to maneuvere in other games
Kilkenny game is a must win ist day I don't buy this lark it's only league, this will determine cork approach season ahead imo
We had ist game v limerick last year we were brutal, I said it then amid criticism in I was over reacting but that stale lethargic and no energy I said they had manifested all its way through the next games such tipp blew us away in the league quatre final and came back to bite cork in the arse so they have no choice but to make statement of intent from day one as imo they will in real intensity in set up at moment

Waterford I hear are in a bit of bother still
There equivalent of cork football in loads talent but awful manager but be fair mcgrath at least won at club and school level, our manager hasn't.


Mcgrath having difficulty naming he captain and imo league will show huge gap cork and Waterford have at the moment
This cork set up is very positive so far
Full back is one watch Saturday so please please limerick give us that test start shane Dowling cork needs test like him not false dawn and with respect Begley fine club hurler but he's meat and drink to Cahalane
Cahalane handled cunningham and conlon well Saturday so must get tested in every game and Dowling is brilliant, and is highly rated bar of course to john Allen who didn't rate him by playing him as a sub, will be a great test for Cahalane if he starts

Cadogan had hamstring strain but should be okay he was taken off v limerick in end such that match report tonight said in paper ucc had used all five subs so they finished game fourteen men but could got draw bar finished game down a man the echo said tonight
By sounds it limerick scraped over line by that match report


I think if limerick struggled beat ucc that didn't start finish with strong team and down a man at home and Ucc training hard last week think cork certainly should be winning this now as cork would have more depth panel

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Is that confirmed smith ?, i been keeping an eye out but hadn't seen it. Have you a time?

2.30 Saturday charville

Ya, these clubs are five miles away from each other and living firmly in his current clubs area. Purely being driven by trainers involved with other club. Very sneaky too. Apparently the date for amalgamating clubs for u21 was 16th January or something and request was handed in on 19th with grievance being no u21 team, no mention before hand.

Cant do much but make the player very aware they will have two years withoout any football, thats two years playing intermediate they could have, for the sake of possibly 1 U21 game, plus Junior football. Madness, but when heads get turned. When does that 2 years begin?

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

All you can do is make it as hard as possible to prevent a soccer a scenario and treat every case on it'd own merits

If geuine case like lads leaving county like Brian Murphy and Karl o dwyer going to kildare as work there etc than it'd fine but not like Seanie Johnston affairs


James loughrey another valid reason in girl friend works in mallow so he got job in cork

There fine as was Larry Tompkins when he worked construction in haven as couldn't find no work

Clubs scenario obviously is different and should not be allowed and case like bud hartnett and Denis Mccarthy two cork players who wanted move small club like Russell rovers and bakkinsxarthy to mideton and clonakityl but had sit out two years and there careers actually suffered on field for it


There classic examples where time out affected their game

If player does that wants leave still nothing more you can do but wish him the best and thank him for the service up to that date

Some cases are geuine

Like durrant living in cork so dingle long trip for him so play club here

Qigley martin sarsfields are similar
Jack o Connor sons both or one them playing with kildare cause teaching there which is imo fair enough
If work or geuine you can look at it but just he wants change win another big club,then not right as then free for all will prevail

The two year delay can stop not all but most such cases imo

Denis O Sullivan TTM and his reasons for leaving Bal were and are power struggle within the club. Just unfortunate and a decent half back lost to Cork for now anyway.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

the date of his last match with the club

is he over minor?

Over minor. I had a look at rules. Where is this two year thing got from? All I could see was reasons why a transfer may be granted. None of which apply.