Cork GAA Discussion Thread

denishurley wrote: »

Murphy and Lordan both playing for CIT so couldn't line out for Cork, not sure what story is with Cormack

I know that Denis
I'm talking about challenges matches like limerick and ballyhale and now Wexford next week

I never expected them this clare game other games should get chance as others be fair got more than enough chances

Just over a week away to the start of the BIG season I suppose ....I love the National leauges in hurling and football ..over the last number of years the leauges have produced some great games and is now a very important competition ...most teams that do well in the Leauges now also do well in the championship . What kind of a team/panel will Cuthbert pick is anyones guess ...I wonder will it include players from the Colleges ...remember next Wednesday is el classic co in the Sigerson ! Interesting times ahead even if its very hard to be positive re the footballers again this year under this man.

TheNap wrote: »

I remember when Cuthbert took over there was a lot of optimism re Cork footballers . Especially after the played Dublin in the league ( not the final )

Where has it all gone wrong ?

Just clarify I was never one those fans I always highlights concerns I have and few here were also same myself


Those that advocated him strongly don't seem post anymore

Lot cork fans didn't have confidence in him the grass roots fans as they knew he's no experience

There's always those those that read a newspaper as gospel see few articles regarding him as bible and think oh he's great


It's simple you look at record him and he's management team


Just to again clarify cork has no football coaching and pat Flanagan is not doing ounce football coaching but strengthen conditions and fitness

I have heard few main man doing cuthbhert recently is indeed Brian cuthbhert

He's seeing himself as a coach

He I said before great skills like administration and time keeping organisations people and time deadline and he would be good facilitior but he didn't bring in good people with him


He's man management is appalling judging by interview after interview and players leaving and not playing for the panel


It's unfair imo to read newspaper like this week and think cork real real real gaa football fans have no grave concerns regards concern cork senior football or don't realise gravity situation

If you read any paper this week you would think no panic as practical every article failed highlights the not once but continously mistakes management all we hear is utter utter in my opinion nonsense like no big deal, and results Sunday dosent matter and things are not that bad


Nobody question why we have no football coaching but instead man trying do it with no proven record in it

You read papers you would understandably think cork football has no real worries for Dublin game when imo there's huge huge worries for that game and season ahead

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Just over a week away to the start of the BIG season I suppose ....I love the National leauges in hurling and football ..over the last number of years the leauges have produced some great games and is now a very important competition ...most teams that do well in the Leauges now also do well in the championship . What kind of a team/panel will Cuthbert pick is anyones guess ...I wonder will it include players from the Colleges ...remember next Wednesday is el classic co in the Sigerson ! Interesting times ahead even if its very hard to be positive re the footballers again this year under this man.

Has to CD, Maguire is our best midfielder for a start!!!!!Its important for any hope that Cuthbert takes the town blinkers off and gives hanrahan a chance in goal. In addition the likes of brian o driscoll, cathal Vaughan, sean kiely, Crowley are the future and superior to a lot of the average club players who were brought in for the McGrath cup.

sean mac wrote: »

Has to CD, Maguire is our best midfielder for a start!!!!!Its important for any hope that Cuthbert takes the town blinkers off and gives hanrahan a chance in goal. In addition the likes of brian o driscoll, cathal Vaughan, sean kiely, Crowley are the future and superior to a lot of the average club players who were brought in for the McGrath cup.

Sean did you read the article in echo Wednesday where headline was something like loss Waterford no cssttophre??

What you make it and as whole cork reaction to defeat it in media and ex pundits?

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Sean did you read the article in echo Wednesday where headline was something like loss Waterford no cssttophre??

What you make it and as whole cork reaction to defeat it in media and ex pundits?

Ttm, the article in the echo is rubbish imo written by a journalist who said we would win sam after the kerry LEAGUE game!!!!!!
in cork over the last 15 years we have become accustmef to defeat in both codes at all levels. Take out u21 football and our results in minor football,u21 hurling,minor hurling have been humiliating for a county of our record.Sorry to say but since 2007 we have taken some awful beatings at senior hurling and the result vs tipp was a huge set back aldo no doubt JBM will get things right,we are now entering a phase wher after 10 years of hard work fm billy &conor hammerings in football are routine and an inept manager is given cover by an executive because of alleged abuse after the kerry defeat!!!!its pathetic as a county we have far too many inept people in management positions,too many players happy to get free into reardens and a culture of mefiocrity.As for ex players saying nothing,doing cork gaa a huge disservice not calling it as it plainly is

Clare team v cork
Patrick Kelly
Domnhall o Donovan
Cillan duggan
Seadna morey
Gearoid o connell
Conor Ryan
Conor cleary
Brendan bulger
Colin Ryan
Patrick donnellan
Bobby duggan
Shane golden
Cathal o connell
Aron cunningham
Davy o hallorhan



It's clear day clare will play a sweeper and tight mallow ptich suit them

Donnellan will play deep
Cork can win but imo team won't win from one started got to brings subs on fast



Donovan fine corner back and Moylan could have tough day
Duggan fine full back like he's relation pat Hartentt teak tough and good test for Luke
Morey imo awesome corner back and will shoe why Darren mac is not inter county forward

O connell I don't know much about
Ryan terrific player everything you want in a hurler and he'll have too much for lawton
Cian mac may win ball that's never problem but o connell too mobile you would think
Cleary on kelleher
Kelleher will win ball but scoring wise I am concerned but other two I'm worried about


Donnellan sweeping is going clean up in cian mac won't be able run at defence, Harnedy could be ist sub

Now tomorrow real test Murray and Walsh at midfield
Bulger and Ryan imo will have too much aggression in hurling and hurling for Murray and Walsh
Could be cleaned out here



Half forward line

Bobby duggan could be good air but Lorchan be fine
Golden could be matched by o Connor but real test pace wise
If o Connor passes pace test I'll play him league of course




Tots going be tough ask for any defender and I'd expect him roam half forward loose ball and he'll likely go on sullivan at half back imo he'll burn him for pace and touch

Two man full forwards line inside with cunningham who ideal test under the high ball for Cahalane but he's fast can hurl and he's strong so great test for Cahalane and imo he'll be okay
Ist real test for Damien
Davy hallorhan will be huge test for o donoughge
He's fast elusive great touch but o donoughge should be okay


Conor sullivan done free man Role for cork in all Ireland final v Clare brilliantly so I expect he'll perform that role well tomorrow imo


Cork can win but can't let clare go six or nine points up
If player is struggling sub him fast

If Kearney Ellis cronin, paudie and Harnedy come on fast cork will win but depends on side line imo tomorrow

letowski wrote: »

I'd give Cork a decent chance of progressing tomorrow too. I dont think Clare will hit that big a score, so Cork could take the game in the end with some of their subs. Clare will play probably with only 4 forwards, with Cunningham isolated, leading the line. Im not sure will Donnellan actually play sweeper though, it may be more like Ryan and Bugler doubling up at centre back like last Sunday, with Golden and Donnellan playing out around midfield.

There are some good match ups on show tomorrow, Cunningham v Cahalane the pick for me.

Good insight thanks for that


Yeah Cahalane will get good test tomorrow ist signs have cork progress to solving full back
Cleary played nui tonight??? Defeat carlow


What's o connell half back like?!

letowski wrote: »

Im not sure did Cleary play for Nuig tonight TTM1. Bobby Duggan is involved with that team too.

O'Connell or "Gudgie" as he will be called tomorrow is a good lad, the wing back on last years u21 team. He is very game, but maybe lacks top aerial ability and skill. Hed be a bit down the pecking order atm, unlikely c'ship matchday 26.

I think it will be a constrast is styles tomorrow, Cork with their high tempo fast game, Clare short running game (O'Donovan & Morey important for us). Should be interesting.

Who will hit Cork's frees?

Probably have cian McCarthy and mabee Darren McCarthy if needs be

letowski wrote: »

Who will hit Cork's frees?

Cian Mac. Pretty accurate.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Numbers mean nothing in a game as you know
Mccarthy only hope is o connell
Ryan will be too mobile

As for your own club man good test now for him today

If he performs credit due immense

If not I'm sorry now but No Excuses
He's around long enough now to be making mark
Cork can't carry passengers I'm sorry like

agreed, cian mac aint up to it,

Luke, Cahalane, McLoughlin and Walsh played well apparently.

Early days but a nice positive result. Went ahead early on and didn't look back.

Great win in absolutely gives us another game next week and that's three games left now Wexford, ballyhale tomorrow and now this final and I'm extremely happy with that as it lovely lead up to the league opener

Cork were good be fair but I can't believe clare strong team bar two half backs played as forward are that bad in the ist half so imo I'd not get carrid away and I think when cork play Clare league be different
With Davy hard know what he's playing at, would not suppose me if clare training last night, they train Friday nights trainings so you just don't know was there shadow boxing as likely limerick always going beat ucc and imo he doesn't want play limerick before championship
I said I though cork would have make changes ist half win, they didn't game was well over half time
Clare showed imo though huge increase intensity second half and Davy clearly has harsh words them
Soon clare upped intensity some cork lads struggled
Clare were down by twelve half time
But second half won the half and showed up lot cork players

Looseness first half out clare made some cork lads look good

The key today is imo judge each player on quality opponents he faced and judge first half and second separately
Cork won ist half handy clare had no intensity
Clare won second half eleven to eight and we're better team In that half so today we got good indication who up to senior
They imo dominated possession in that half

Collins super game, composed great see him roaring at Cahalane one stage ti pull back closer goal after twenty minutes in Cahalane was going too far out from goal
Some puck out
Mccarthy I'd sub keeper but id have no problem none at all have him sub or even start munster champions game if we had injuries
Look at he save from duggan, awesome outstanding save he is just the real deal
Look at saves minor and under twenty one v Waterford he was outstanding in saves
This Lad has been awesome so good and will be so good I'd actually have him on panel and cork has three goalies before panel I'd have him league
This Lad is going be among greatest greatest cork goalie along other greats
I'm lost for words for him
What a player
Oh my god he's awesome

Conor Sullivan had great game on he's man he was fine
Held tots well

Cork have corner backs they don't need likes will Kearney on panel

Cahalane was brilliant on cunningham, passed ist test well but he's more prove but today done well
It's relief and tomorrow play Joyce v ballyhale as cork must have cover in full back
O donoughge done very well young minor showed well all competition but cork have others ahead corner back but id defo watch him future but leave him under twenty football for spring no need have him league panel imo
I think he held he's man from play free

Sullivan got point ist half looked good as clare were poor , golden believe is half back that played half forward
So he was up against a man out of positions

Exposed defending second half not as keep saying this level
To say he played well imo no he didn't when the heat was on and conceded scores to a forward converted defender

Lorchan has great game with duggan, bar duggan goal chance but Lorchan was fine with imo considering two backs beside him struggled
And duggan picked off scores
Ellis helped him hugely when he came on

O Connor is tough and fine hurler and was fine ist half but clearly struggled second half and he'll get burned in croke park pace wise imo
He was up against another half back converted forward

Walsh was okay but hardly great
He did not play very well in fact when intensity was upped considerably by clare he was lacking imo
Bulger had too much hurling for him and got threw point could have had more for poor wides

Murray trade mark point but he was poor had be taken off again as imo he's no where near this level
Ryan had he's number and got two points

He's has enough chances now I'm sorry
I though clare won midfield battle over all

Cian maccarthy frees fine got few from play won ball but slow winter hurling fine but again mobility at times showed up be poor
Won't do summer hurling

Frees he was brilliant I'm sure he'll get plaudits but imo more to a game that frees

Lawton truly awful imo
One point lad making claim not good enough
Dayne lee as young lad just third game got point so did o Connor
See my point lawton should be doing more but isn't

I'm sorry now lads and this may offend the Castlemartyr boys but I genuinely don't want to but on field play he was poor but why does he get game after game after game
Cork hurling is not a charity
He tries, fine club player but today was poor and not good enough
Kelleher fine game in air, has potential, not scoring forward but has lot work too do improve hurling finese
He's powerful and not afraid break tackle
I'd like see him choose code
I'f commits hurling could make it
Moylan had good game, nice scores worked hard
Luke the best news day with Cahalane
I always said he had talent and huge fan but said last year before injury needed stop doing media interview, get ruthless executions back of goals and not points and become player could be

Injury terrible blow him but he's actually become better players as absenteeism made heart grow fonder
He now realises he's down pecking order rather certain starter with bout five ahead him start up year but he's really imo played himself to start v kilkenny and he must start ahead of horgan

Today he could have had four goals
He went for goals
Great see cork this year becoming kilkenny forward animal going for goals
He's ist goal was awesome brilliant goal
He's second showed he's skill hurling
He's confidence players start him, he needs games and tell him go for goals I won't blame lad missing them once goes for then he's still will mean he'll score more than he's misses
He was luke old today, Luke that win awesome high ball v limerick under twenty one bellowed the net four years ago
He had tough opponents In duggan but score two goals is no mean feat He got it tough from duggan but he gave as good as he got

Welcome back Luke, that's the Luke we want
Now he should stay away media, forget bout them learn from before, one focus to get start in full forward line as tough competition and he needs full focus in that
At last real real competition in full forward with Moylan cadogan Spillane, horgan, Luke. Cronin paudie etc

Darren McCarthy got early point but overall today he proved he was not good overall and he's proved what I believed all along not senior inter county forward
All names I mentioned are better than him

Subs

Ellis made huge difference when he came on
Lee showed lovely touch and work rate has make league panel if available lovely point
Haughney be fair better than Murray, got point he does, but imo clare dominated second half that aera
If cork think he's answer then start him v kilkenny, only one way to find out
He does it that game then I'll say yes he deserves a chance
Frahill o Connor good points as sub don't think he'll make it but same time jusr few games so I'd have him before lawton and cian mac any and every day week

Limerick in the final cork will win that if they want to

Good test physical wise for kilkenny game as limerick will play their strengths hit everything that moves and if it doesn't they will make it move, full gutsy bravado hurling and passion and pride and as said last week wanted limerick as good test for kilkenny physically wise
Limerick won't test cork tactically though like kilkenny
They with full strength team looking at limerick thread barely scraped past ucc
Looking at that limerick team so predictable when rest are available easy know what they will start with in summer
That game is likely to be mallow or kilmmallock next week
Cork have game v Wexford on Saturday in cit hopefully limerick game played same day if in cork
Cork should field two teams for that if it'd in limerick may have rearrange

Overall good to win, extra game, good test in seconds half as it showed up the players that can make it and won't imo but don't be fooled by clare ist half
They were different animal in the second half lots wides and will change team for senior league game so cork will have to do the same
But it'd good to beat them as time two year ago they beat us in almost any match we have now beaten them the last two
Good day once lessons are learned and the players that are not up to it are dropped from the panel
There's an all Ireland to be one so sorry sounds blunt but let's leave emotions out of it
Tomorrow should be good test
I'm hoping make it seems game is going ahead

Cork should win next week and set out to win as treat league seriously aim to win it
Taper off after beating Waterford(this is not arrogance rather than imo logical belive cork are way ahead Waterford at present and Waterford are going back wards under the current set up) then in munster final isn't worth winning
Start again from all Ireland quatre final
Marked difference cork this year to last year same time which is great to see
Real competition now for places
I'll be talking lads who went match v limerick later so I'll post on cork lads with ucc today when I hear how they got on