Athiests - Who cares

Michael OBrien · 21-01-2015 11:30AM

Curly Judge wrote: »

I don't know if you realise it but you come across as a contemptuous, know it all, atheistic fascist.
And I say that as an atheist myself.

So do you have a point to make about his statement or is ad hom posts your speciality. Saying things that are unpopular does not make them untrue.

K4t · 21-01-2015 12:47PM

Curly Judge wrote: »

I don't know if you realise it but you come across as a contemptuous, know it all, atheistic fascist.
And I say that as an atheist myself.

And you come across as a condescending, know nothing, atheistic fantasist..

My catholic nun aunt who lives in a convent is an atheist my friend.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-01-2015 12:47PM

Curly Judge wrote: »

I don't know if you realise it but you come across as a contemptuous, know it all, atheistic fascist.
And I say that as an atheist myself.

This is what hacks me off about the language. People throw around the words atheist Fascist and Militant, meaning atheists who talk freely about their position. On the other hand a militant Xian/Muslim is someone who uses military force to impose their position on others or control their lives.

People get the idea that there are Militant atheists and militant Xians so they they are the same.

Vocal atheist is more accurate.

shruikan2553 · 21-01-2015 01:18PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

This is what hacks me off about the language. People throw around the words atheist Fascist and Militant, meaning atheists who talk freely about their position. On the other hand a militant Xian/Muslim is someone who uses military force to impose their position on others or control their lives.

People get the idea that there are Militant atheists and militant Xians so they they are the same.

Vocal atheist is more accurate.

I do get a laugh when the worst that can be said about atheists as a group is that some of them are pricks.
There are some who may want to get rid of religion completely but they are all talk.

Akrasia · 21-01-2015 02:04PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I do get a laugh when the worst that can be said about atheists as a group is that some of them are pricks.
There are some who may want to get rid of religion completely but they are all talk.

There are lots of atheists who would like to see a world where the majority of people are secular, but the vast majority of those want to achieve this through reason, education, dialogue and scientific progress, not through any kind of violence or coercion.

(Unfortunately, there would be some times where some measure of force is required, for example, if the parents of a sick child refuse to consent to life saving treatment due to religious objections, the state may have an obligation to over-rule the parents and administer the treatment to the child, but these are the kinds of difficult moral dylemmas that are part and parcel of a modern society trying to balance competing freedoms and rights in a complex world.)

Michael OBrien · 21-01-2015 05:14PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

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Vocal atheist is more accurate.

Absolutely correct. There is a definite equivocation going on when labeling atheists, where a very different meaning is applied to other groups with that adjective.
A militant christian is usually quite different to what is described as a militant atheist. There CAN be (using the word fairly) people acting militantly who are atheists, like in Stalinist Russian, but currently theists like to use that for ANYONE who is known as an atheist and does not curry favour from the religious side. If writing a post on the internet makes one militant, when not advocating anything violent or a call for violence, then anyone with any strong belief, once expressed, is suddenly militant. It dilutes the actual word so much that it becomes nothing more than a slur, rather than having any descriptive power worth noting.

johnohanlon · 23-01-2015 02:09PM

Atheists are on a one track road to hell, the great thing about being an ulsterman is that it is a strong Christian land. I urge all atheists to repent before it is too late.

seamus · 23-01-2015 02:11PM

johnohanlon wrote: »

Atheists are on a one track road to hell, the great thing about being an ulsterman is that it is a strong Christian land. I urge all atheists to repent before it is too late.

Tis only lunchtime, sure I've plenty of time yet. What time does the repentance shop close? Six?

catallus · 23-01-2015 02:12PM

johnohanlon wrote: »

Atheists are on a one track road to hell, the great thing about being an ulsterman is that it is a strong Christian land

QFT

It could be argued atheists are already in a hell of their own making!

To stunt one's own soul because of vanity is a punishment both deep and perpetual.

MOD: User banned for trolling and ignoring mod warnings.

feargale · 23-01-2015 02:12PM

Michael OBrien wrote: »

Absolutely correct. There is a definite equivocation going on when labeling atheists, where a very different meaning is applied to other groups with that adjective.
A militant christian is usually quite different to what is described as a militant atheist. There CAN be (using the word fairly) people acting militantly who are atheists, like in Stalinist Russian, but currently theists like to use that for ANYONE who is known as an atheist and does not curry favour from the religious side. If writing a post on the internet makes one militant, when not advocating anything violent or a call for violence, then anyone with any strong belief, once expressed, is suddenly militant. It dilutes the actual word so much that it becomes nothing more than a slur, rather than having any descriptive power worth noting.

That's a fair point. I prefer to describe atheists who go on and on and on as a pain in the àrse.

feargale · 23-01-2015 02:15PM

johnohanlon wrote: »

Atheists are on a one track road to hell, the great thing about being an ulsterman is that it is a strong Christian land. I urge all atheists to repent before it is too late.

Could you provide us with a road map showing this one track road? You seem to be familiar with the geography.

Jayzawz, when it's not one it's the other. Keep away from that Ulster fry.

shruikan2553 · 23-01-2015 02:16PM

johnohanlon wrote: »

Atheists are on a one track road to hell, the great thing about being an ulsterman is that it is a strong Christian land. I urge all atheists to repent before it is too late.

I would prefer to go to hell rather than ulster.

BBDBB · 23-01-2015 02:19PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I would prefer to go to hell rather than ulster.

Heaven Says NO

Magico Gonzalez · 23-01-2015 02:20PM

A very simple argument shrouded in verbose nonsense.

You believe or you don't, or maybe you're not sure and don't consider it particularly important.

Congratulations on your choice, now if the rest of us could finish our pint/newspaper/coffee/cigarette etc in peace that would be marvellous.

I believe "crashing bore" is the correct term for "vocal" atheists and proseltysing theists alike.

kylith · 23-01-2015 02:23PM

catallus wrote: »

QFT

It could be argued atheists are already in a hell of their own making!

To stunt one's own soul because of vanity is a punishment both deep and perpetual.

If it's hell then it beats the sht out of heaven, what with the lie-ins on Sundays and all the fornication I want

If this is hell you can keep your heaven

Akrasia · 23-01-2015 02:24PM

johnohanlon wrote: »

Atheists are on a one track road to hell, the great thing about being an ulsterman is that it is a strong Christian land. I urge all atheists to repent before it is too late.

Hell is the 'heaven' as described in the Bible

There is a constant chant of holy angels that are continually proclaiming Holy, Holy, Holy over the throne of God. The Mercy Seat in heaven where God sits is surrounded by magnificent angels full of glory and power that proclaim and bless the holy name of God without ceasing. Some of these are described as beasts, full of eyes, with six wings and neither rest day or night in their proclaiming the holiness of God (Rev. 4:8-11).

Read more: http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-does-the-bible-say-heaven-is-like/#ixzz3PeOvdEgC

Imagine that for ever and ever and ever and ever!

Grayson · 23-01-2015 02:24PM

BBDBB wrote: »

Heaven Says NO

If the Rev Ian Paisley is in Heaven then anywhere else might be a better option

Grayson · 23-01-2015 02:25PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Hell is the 'heaven' as described in the Bible

Imagine that for ever and ever and ever and ever!

It'd be like getting the angelus stuck in your head. FOREVER!

Your Superior · 23-01-2015 02:28PM

Grayson wrote: »

It'd be like getting the angelus stuck in your head. FOREVER!

On my first return visit to Ireland after leaving as a small child, many moons ago, I was absolutely gobsmacked to see the Angelus on TV. I thought Songs of Praise was pushing it, but the Angelus malarkey really takes the biscuit. Between that and the fact that there are actual Garth Brooks fans in Ireland, it makes me a little bit sad inside for the nation.

johnohanlon · 23-01-2015 02:30PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I would prefer to go to hell rather than ulster.

I comment as a Roman Catholic, not the bible belt sort of Christian. It has always been the Christian powerhouse of the island, dating back to st patrick times

Akrasia · 23-01-2015 02:31PM

Grayson wrote: »

It'd be like getting the angelus stuck in your head. FOREVER!

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shruikan2553 · 23-01-2015 02:32PM

johnohanlon wrote: »

I comment as a Roman Catholic, not the bible belt sort of Christian. It has always been the Christian powerhouse of the island, dating back to st patrick times

Nothing says Christian like burning fellow Christians out of their house.
If anything ulster highlights the problems of religion in this country.

johnohanlon · 23-01-2015 02:34PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Hell is the 'heaven' as described in the Bible

Imagine that for ever and ever and ever and ever!

In the afterlife all the negative aspects of our soul are diminished hence we will not feel boredom

K4t · 23-01-2015 02:37PM

johnohanlon wrote: »

Atheists are on a one track road to hell.

Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven, but seeing as neither exist I'll settle for a quick painless death, or failing that, a long and painful one.

feargale wrote: »

I prefer to describe atheists who go on and on and on as a pain in the àrse.

Well at least it's not a literal metaphor with atheists.

seamus · 23-01-2015 02:53PM

johnohanlon wrote: »

In the afterlife all the negative aspects of our soul are diminished hence we will not feel boredom

"I'm going to curse you with free will and if you dare use it, I will punish you. If you don't, I will take it away".

Seriously, it's like putting a cake on the floor in front of a dog and then beating him up if he eats it, and giving him nothing if he doesn't.

What kind of sick bastard would do something like that?

PopePalpatine · 23-01-2015 02:58PM

seamus wrote: »

"I'm going to curse you with free will and if you dare use it, I will punish you. If you don't, I will take it away".

Seriously, it's like putting a cake on the floor in front of a dog and then beating him up if he eats it, and giving him nothing if he doesn't.

What kind of sick bastard would do something like that?

I prefer the analogy of God as a dictator. If you dare oppose him and his political party, then you're tortured forever.

Akrasia · 23-01-2015 03:33PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Nothing says Christian like burning fellow Christians out of their house.
If anything ulster highlights the problems of religion in this country.

Don't forget throwing rocks, blast bombs and urine filled balloons at primary school children for the offence of walking down the wrong road on the way to school. Gotta love that christian attitude

Akrasia · 23-01-2015 03:34PM

johnohanlon wrote: »

In the afterlife all the negative aspects of our soul are diminished hence we will not feel boredom

Thats kind of like what atheists believe too. After we die, we will never be bored again.

Baggy Trousers · 23-01-2015 03:38PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Don't forget throwing rocks, blast bombs and urine filled balloons at primary school children for the offence of walking down the wrong road on the way to school. Gotta love that christian attitude

Did they really do that? I remember the protests alright and it was worse than loathsome.

Akrasia · 23-01-2015 03:44PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Did they really do that? I remember the protests alright and it was worse than loathsome.

"During our visit we met with members of the parents‚ committee who outlined to us in vivid detail the horrendous hardships endured by the school children during that period. Apart from the verbal abuse, parents and children had also to endure a range of missiles being thrown at them, ranging from blast bombs, dogs excreta and balloons filled with urine. The parents also expressed fears of lasting trauma for their children as a result of the events of recent months.
http://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/sligo-councillors-visit-holy-cross-school-27552903.html

It really was a particularly low point in a conflict full of low points

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