McGregor vs Siver on BT Sports 19th Jan. Prelims: Midnight. Main Card: 3am

Mr. Manager · 20-01-2015 12:00PM

bono_v wrote: »

"He doesn't deserve to be in the octagon"
I really think he does deserve to be in the octagon. Not the greatest fighter but has worked his bollox off day in day out for six years to achieve his dream of becoming a ufc fighter when probably thousands of more talented fighters never realised their dream of signing to the ufc because they dont have the same focus/ determination/ singleminded stubbornness that pendred has. He's living his dream and deserves it.

It's a matter of opinion at the end of the day. Not saying you're wrong, you can't be, it's your opinion but I personally believe he has no place in the UFC.

For me, I think the only reason he got a contract was because of the Irish fight card. Without that, I doubt he would have been signed and to be honest, I'd be amazed if his contract was renewed after his next fight (assuming he's on a 4 fight deal that is).

He worked hard to get where he is, should realise by now he's not at the same level as them, take a step back and sign with someone else after the contract runs out, put in the hard work - really hard work - focusing on his standup a bit more and then when he's ready, try come back to the UFC.

Mike Tobacco · 20-01-2015 12:06PM

Cereal Rapper wrote: »

I don't know all the stats for the fight but of the 66 landed are we talking significant strikes? Because from what I saw, he landed one significant strike yet received plenty more. He had no aggression or cage control, was always on the back foot.

Takedowns count for far more than they should - especially in an instance with a fighter like Cathal who does nothing but peppers his opponent with pillow punches.

The only thing I can give him credit for is that he has heart. Nothing else.

The stats on significant strikes were pretty even too. I don't know how these numbers come about (I'm not a judge) but Spencer seemed to me to be the more effective striker by far. He was the more aggressive, or at least more effective - Pendred threw a few wild kicks alright but never hurt him. As you say - Pendred was never in control of the cage or the fight.

The takedown thing seems to carry a lot of weight with some judges and less with others. I know effective grappling is one of the areas they judge on, but how effective can it be just getting the takedown and not doing anything with it? Cerrone probably got a round from the judges for his takedown aswell v Henderson. Yet look back to Hendricks/Lawler 2 and you see the decision going the opposite way despite a few takedowns for Hendricks.

As a casual fan, I find that I watch the fights and judge them pretty subjectively, as on who I just thought was the better fighter in each round and overall, and hope the judges agree with me. On that basis I thought Spencer was robbed.

Zero-Cool · 20-01-2015 02:05PM

That_Guy wrote: »

Paddy: "You come into our club. You know where we are. There's no weak old men in Crumlin. I know we've got men in Crumlin"

Lamas: "We'll see"

Paddy: "I know we have... What's his name? Dominic. No. Donal, that's it. When he puts his hand together man. That guy is a tough mother fúcker. I wouldn't roll with him, you know what I mean?"

That's all I can kinda make out.

An updated video showing a bit of Ricky's video, Conor's reaction and slightly translated Paddy bit. I see now Paddy talking about no old men is referring to a bit in the vid where Conor only picks old men to spar with. I can'd decide what was funnier, Conor saying 'HOLY JAAAYSUS' or Lamas saying 'Well I thought it was good anyway

'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlYQ6dW8DpE

Mr. Loverman · 20-01-2015 02:35PM

Cereal Rapper wrote: »

For me, I think the only reason he got a contract was because of the Irish fight card. Without that, I doubt he would have been signed and to be honest, I'd be amazed if his contract was renewed after his next fight (assuming he's on a 4 fight deal that is).

He worked hard to get where he is, should realise by now he's not at the same level as them, take a step back and sign with someone else after the contract runs out, put in the hard work - really hard work - focusing on his standup a bit more and then when he's ready, try come back to the UFC.

I agree with this. Every fight of his I've seen I'm wondering what the hell. I really believe if he was a yank they wouldn't bother with him, because even if we ignore his bad performances, his fights are dire.

To prove I'm not just talking through my hole, assuming his next fighter is a step up, I'll bet a couple of hundred on him losing. I'll post a screenshot of the bet here.

Beersmith · 20-01-2015 03:10PM

He really can't be so terrible and be on an 11 fight win streak.

Mr. Loverman · 20-01-2015 03:39PM

Beersmith wrote: »

He really can't be so terrible and be on an 11 fight win streak.

They were all quality fighters? [NO]

He deserved to win all the fights? [NO]

Beersmith · 20-01-2015 04:18PM

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

They were all quality fighters? [NO]

He deserved to win all the fights? [NO]

No i agree but its quite the feat though isnt it?

I cant see how is doing it either but play to him.

I hate to see bad fighters go on a run of losses and the ufc keep them just because they 'bring it' but cathal is actually winning and was the cage warriors champ before going into the ufc and gone 3-0 and they can hardly cut him so they cant be blamed.

Its bordering on fighter bashing here of late with cathal, the man has done no wrong just trying to make a living and forgetting that he is irish seems like a nice guy.

Only the people who have fought him and judges can get the blame.

PS he isnt james tony

DeVore · 20-01-2015 04:33PM

I'm not sure I get the whole Cathal thing either... I had him shading that fight personally. His opponent was pretty terrible and ok, he could punch but he didn't land nearly enough of them to make it count (as the numbers show). Cathal dominated the second two rounds and put him on his back seemingly at will.

My annoyance with Cathal would only be from frustration in wanting to see him do better! He seems like a decent guy, clearly talented wrestler and has a big heart. He needs 6 months of nothing but boxing with someone standing beside him with a big stick to bate him with if he drops his guard or throws would of those ridiculous popeye wind-up punches.
If he does that, he's got the makings of a top fighter imho... you can teach boxing, you cant teach heart.

ianob7 · 20-01-2015 05:16PM

think sombody mentioned this earlier in the thread .. but what was the deal with the weird rugby looking step ?? just looked so uncoordinated and dare i say it uncomfortable in the octagon

Gits_bone · 20-01-2015 05:45PM

Anywhere I can see the Pendred fight?

Pudsy33 · 20-01-2015 05:53PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

Anywhere I can see the Pendred fight?

Fight pass, you can get a free trial

Devastator · 20-01-2015 06:01PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

Anywhere I can see the Pendred fight?

So you didn't even watch the fights? :rolleyes: yet you've been slabbering in this thread for 2 days:rolleyes:

SpaceSasqwatch · 20-01-2015 06:23PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

Anywhere I can see the Pendred fight?

3e are showing the fight night at 9.30 tonight, presume cathals fight will be on it

Gits_bone · 20-01-2015 07:07PM

Devastator wrote: »

So you didn't even watch the fights? :rolleyes: yet you've been slabbering in this thread for 2 days:rolleyes:

Huh?

Where did I say anything about Pendred. But go on, keep lying. :rolleyes:

Your posts are embarrassing yourself.

Swashbuckler · 20-01-2015 07:17PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

Huh?

Where did I say anything about Pendred. But go on, keep lying. :rolleyes:

Your posts are embarrassing yourself.

Pot, kettle, black.

Gits_bone · 20-01-2015 07:19PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Pot, kettle, black.

Tele, spoon, red.

El Guapo! · 20-01-2015 07:25PM

Lads, take the handbags elsewhere please.

Utopia Parkway · 20-01-2015 07:29PM

Beersmith wrote: »

He really can't be so terrible and be on an 11 fight win streak.

He's not. He's tough as hell and is a decent wrestler who can grind out wins.

His abysmal striking will hold him back though when he fights guys of a higher level that he won't be able to take down so easily.

As for the Spencer fight I'm not sure it was quite the robbery that everyone seemed to think it was. Well apart from the 1st round. Aside from the 3 or 4 punch combination that badly wobbled Cathal in the first round, Spencer didn't really do all that much in rounds 2 or 3. Thought those rounds were close with neither looking impressive. Reading since you'd swear Spencer had battered him from pillar to post for 3 rounds.

Devastator · 20-01-2015 07:39PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

Huh?

Where did I say anything about Pendred. But go on, keep lying. :rolleyes:

Your posts are embarrassing yourself.

:rolleyes: can't even start to make sense of that but I'm not gonna get involved in any sort of discussion with a gluebag troll like you.

Jayo_M · 20-01-2015 08:07PM

Just watched the Pendred-Spencer fight after hearing what a robbery it was. I'm no big Pendred fan, but I feel like he won the fight. Spencer clearly won about 2 and a half minutes total in the fight, a lot of it was a bit of a stalemate, but I think Pendred was in control for longer periods and still landed quite a lot.

Regardless of getting dropped in the first and being on the back foot for about a minute of the round, the rest was dominated by Pendred's grappling. I don't think buckling someone should automatically mean you win the round - if that was the case, Eddie Alvarez would never win a round! I think Spencer shaded round 2 and Pendred won round 3. Just my opinion. I don't know why Goldie, Rogan and White thought it was robbery of the century.

DrPhilG · 20-01-2015 08:17PM

Jayo_M wrote: »

I think Spencer shaded round 2 and Pendred won round 3.

I could live with that, except that means you think Pendred won the 1st, despite being on chicken legs for half the round?

Pudsy33 · 20-01-2015 08:22PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

I could live with that, except that means you think Pendred won the 1st, despite being on chicken legs for half the round?

Pendred got dropped once, but he was up quickly. He spent the majority of the round on top with his grappling and was delivering (admittedly weak) strikes. I'm very new totthis but it looked to me like he was in control round 1.

Jayo_M · 20-01-2015 08:22PM

He was on chicken legs for about 30 seconds. Pendred grapple****ed Spencer up until around 2.30 into the round. Spencer landed some shots in that flurry and buckled him. At 3 minutes into the fight, Pendred had Spencer up against the cage. Spencer got off the cage, landed about 3 shots in the next 40 odd seconds, and then Pendred landed another takedown. Adds up to Pendred's round to me.

Swashbuckler · 20-01-2015 08:40PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

I could live with that, except that means you think Pendred won the 1st, despite being on chicken legs for half the round?

I'll be honest I thought Prendred won the fight. Despite the fact Spencer was clearly a better fighter I just thought he did enough to win two rounds on the scorecard. The scoring system is seriously flawed though. I was a bit taken aback by rogan, whites and the internets reaction after the fight. Was wondering if I was completely off the mark.

scudzilla · 20-01-2015 08:40PM

If i was John K now i'd send Cathal off for a minimum of 3 months to some sweaty boxing gym, nothing but boxing, that's the only chance he has of moving up IMO

Swashbuckler · 20-01-2015 08:43PM

scudzilla wrote: »

If i was John K now i'd send Cathal off for a minimum of 3 months to some sweaty boxing gym, nothing but boxing, that's the only chance he has of moving up IMO

Did i hear JK correctly between rounds 2 and 3 saying "use that uppercut" and saying it was his best shot? I was dumbfounded.

DeVore · 20-01-2015 08:54PM

the scary thing is... it probably was his best punch!

darced · 20-01-2015 10:08PM

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nxbyveromdwjpg · 20-01-2015 10:11PM

Cathals fight was just on 3e

Packoman · 20-01-2015 10:11PM

Just watched the Pendred fight again and I actually think he won it. Besides the one bit in the first round Spencer did very little.

McGregor vs Siver on BT Sports 19th Jan. Prelims: Midnight. Main Card: 3am

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