Irish IQ Lower than some other countries :)

El_Duderino 09 · 18-01-2015 06:13PM

NotCominBack wrote: »

If you cant see the point in that post then please change nationality as you are bringing our average down

Uninspiring.

Was the point that things are different now than fado fado? Maybe you were making a post modern reference to how the education system has been improved by reducing the emphasis on rote learning pages of semi dead language?

I suspect however it could be aptly paraphrased as 'things are different now and I preferred it back then'. You're not up on educational theory are you?

Not to worry. You can leave the educating to the people with 3 digit IQ and you can get back to... Whatever

Greenmachine · 18-01-2015 06:29PM

Are someone who scored 130+ point in one of the most regarded IQ, I don't have any faith in their reliability.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-01-2015 06:30PM

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

Yeah. This generation are thick, by whatever yard-stick you care to use.

That's just one of those silly things people say in lieu of actual information. The world is getting more violent - wrong. Young people are thick - wrong.

Any yardstick? Except the actual yardsticks used for the purpose of measuring IQ of course which have to be adjusted by 0.3 of a point every year because people keep scoring higher?

Amazing lack of self-awareness to make such a comment. Never has a generation been so exposed to information and learning.

mynamejeff · 18-01-2015 06:31PM

To be fair i do know a awful lot of stupid people.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-01-2015 06:33PM

Greenmachine wrote: »

Are someone who scored 130+ point in one of the most regarded IQ, I don't have any faith in their reliability.

If you don't understand them it's ok. The people who do know how they work will be administering them so no sweat

Bootros Bootros · 18-01-2015 08:55PM

Victor wrote: »

Interesting how it suggests that only about 20% of the world's population has an IQ at or above average. :rolleyes:

100 isn't average. It's the UK/American average. IQ is a relative figure traditionally normalised on the UK average.

However the tests are fairly limited of course.

I suspect they are testing intelligence and learning but that intelligence is increased by education and training. It's not biological nor set in stone. In fact Lynn's own sources show that to be the case. Irelands IQ has incressed. Ashkenazi IQ has increased. So too has irish American IQ. Israel's IQ is lower than American Jews. Then there is the Flynn effect.

None of this would give you much hope that the measurements are testing real genetic intelligence. ( which is called G in the literature).

Letree · 18-01-2015 09:15PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Who needs an intelligent population anyway?

Well said Enda.

Mr. teddywinkles · 18-01-2015 09:17PM

Just as a matter of interest, how many iq tests have people on average done here?

Leinsterblue · 18-01-2015 09:36PM

Mongo only pawn in game of life.

pablomakaveli · 18-01-2015 10:45PM

Just remembered a pretty relevant quote from Stephen Hawking when he was asked what his IQ was:

"I have no idea. People who boast about their I.Q. are losers."

He's hit the nail on the head there.

Greenmachine · 18-01-2015 11:12PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you don't understand them it's ok. The people who do know how they work will be administering them so no sweat

Where did you get the idea I don't know how the work. I understand perfectly how they work and how the scores in a population should spread across a normal distribution. I could talk to you about 6 sigma and confidence intervals etc, if you like. The test administrator informed me I was inside a category called very superior, despite doing badly in one or two areas.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-01-2015 11:36PM

Greenmachine wrote: »

Where did you get the idea I don't know how the work. I understand perfectly how they work and how the scores in a population should spread across a normal distribution. I could talk to you about 6 sigma and confidence intervals etc, if you like. The test administrator informed me I was inside a category called very superior, despite doing badly in one or two areas.

Talk about confidence intervals and reliability all you like. If you knew about IQ testing, you would know the have great reliability.

Validity is a more difficult aspect to pin down. I would like to get some definitions of intelligence from posters.

as most people will be aware, IQ testing correlates with various outcomes.

As a matter of interest why don't you have confidence in them

Letree · 19-01-2015 12:18AM

Motivation on the test would be important if it is being carried out of teenagers in schools. You would really need to apply yourself doing an IQ test. Also who selects the samples. Is it at random or can people put forward their best students for testing. Who controls these variables.

Venus In Furs · 19-01-2015 01:07AM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Fluoride in the drinking water is the only factor which can account for this.

QUEUE: Civil Servants and Comments about Jim Corr and Lizards.

These people who deny that Sodium Fluoride in the drinking is causing neurological damage in Irish brains will have to die off - just like their grandparents had to die off so that the contraception and mother and child bill was able to come in, and their own parents likewise had to die off for Gay rights to come in.

The Irish are like this. We do not confront the truth, we spend a generation denying it and wait for the harsh reality to die off with the next generation.

Speak for yourself there bud.
And "civil servants"?

19-01-2015 01:11AM

I'm always baffled by these statistics given that I've never heard of or met anyone who has done an IQ test in Ireland

Karl Stein · 19-01-2015 01:14AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Eramen, will you respond to post my post #55 please. I'd like to know where you're getting your information from.

Hmm...

El_Duderino 09 · 19-01-2015 01:58AM

AdamD wrote: »

I'm always baffled by these statistics given that I've never heard of or met anyone who has done an IQ test in Ireland

Unlikely.

Why would anyone tell you? It doesn't really come up in conversation.

I have taken part in them a few times for various reasons. I also administered them (in Ireland) so yes it happens in Ireland.

Educational Psychologists are called in to do IQ tests among others to determine if a child has dyslexia for example. IQ tests are used to determine if someone has learning difficulties.

So all in all they are not that rare

steddyeddy · 19-01-2015 06:59AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you don't understand them it's ok. The people who do know how they work will be administering them so no sweat

A bit like homeopathy so.

DeadHand · 19-01-2015 07:27AM

Jaysis...

If Mongolians are so bloody smart why did they basically go home for a funeral when they could have had Europe?

RobYourBuilder · 19-01-2015 10:41AM

DeadHand wrote: »

Jaysis...

If Mongolians are so bloody smart why did they basically go home for a funeral when they could have had Europe?

Shower of mongos!

El_Duderino 09 · 19-01-2015 12:07PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

A bit like homeopathy so.

Kind of like homeopathy. Also like Law, Medicine, Psychology, Engineering etc. But one of these things is not like the others.

Can you guess which one?

Greenmachine · 19-01-2015 12:25PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Talk about confidence intervals and reliability all you like. If you knew about IQ testing, you would know the have great reliability.

Validity is a more difficult aspect to pin down. I would like to get some definitions of intelligence from posters.

as most people will be aware, IQ testing correlates with various outcomes.

As a matter of interest why don't you have confidence in them

An IQ test show, how good one is a taking an IQ testing. I know others who are extremely knowledgeable, skilled with their hands etc who perform poorly on the tests.

A huge number of psychological tools etc are misused, and the wrong conclusions drawn from them.

CramCycle · 19-01-2015 12:25PM

AdamD wrote: »

I'm always baffled by these statistics given that I've never heard of or met anyone who has done an IQ test in Ireland

They had them in our school after our Junior Cert, apparently I am (well was at least) a genius, hence my implicit distrust of IQ tests.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-01-2015 01:02PM

Greenmachine wrote: »

An IQ test show, how good one is a taking an IQ testing. I know others who are extremely knowledgeable, skilled with their hands etc who perform poorly on the tests.

A huge number of psychological tools etc are misused, and the wrong conclusions drawn from them.

That old line is about as catchy as it is meaningless. Its like saying the fuel gauge measures the quality of the fuel in the tank.

IQ tests simply measure the level of traits which correlate with abilities and achievement in people. They are not perfect measures. Any time you deal with measuring psychological traits within individuals, you encounter individual difference. People have individual abnormalities in brain development and experience which means their test score is less valid.

The whole point is that the test is standardised so it can be applied broadly. It gains reliability and generalisability at the expense of validity.

I find most people want certainty from these kind of tests but that is a misunderstanding of the purpose of the test. People on this very forum are willing to dismiss its efficacy entirely simply because it is imperfect

Greenmachine · 19-01-2015 04:25PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That old line is about as catchy as it is meaningless. Its like saying the fuel gauge measures the quality of the fuel in the tank.

IQ tests simply measure the level of traits which correlate with abilities and achievement in people. They are not perfect measures. Any time you deal with measuring psychological traits within individuals, you encounter individual difference. People have individual abnormalities in brain development and experience which means their test score is less valid.

The whole point is that the test is standardised so it can be applied broadly. It gains reliability and generalisability at the expense of validity.

I find most people want certainty from these kind of tests but that is a misunderstanding of the purpose of the test. People on this very forum are willing to dismiss its efficacy entirely simply because it is imperfect

It is pretty far from perfect. A test that purport to be unbiased by whose result are vastly different depending on the nationality of the test taker. See article linked in the OP's post.

Spook_ie · 19-01-2015 06:21PM

Having scanned through the arguments that the OP created, I wonder if those that are most against the IQ results are the ones that got lower results than they liked?

NotCominBack · 19-01-2015 07:50PM

Greenmachine wrote: »

It is pretty far from perfect. A test that purport to be unbiased by whose result are vastly different depending on the nationality of the test taker. See article linked in the OP's post.

That's more likely because all the tests were given English, due to the fact that we all think in English

BBJBIG · 19-01-2015 07:56PM

You bet it is !

Oireland is a bunch of Clowns, run by a bunch of Clowns, for a bunch of Clowns.
And, always has been.

Meanwhile, those who have "get up and go" have already "got up and gone".
Leaving behind the Rump of the Population.

pablomakaveli · 19-01-2015 08:01PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Having scanned through the arguments that the OP created, I wonder if those that are most against the IQ results are the ones that got lower results than they liked?

Stephen Hawking said people who boast about their IQ's are morons. Would you think he'd have a low IQ score?

MarkAnthony · 19-01-2015 08:04PM

wot da faq r u on bout i ent tick.