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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Harty cup games today

Fao Denis Hurley pleaae
Denis are harty cup games going ahead today or will the snow affect them??

Sorry, only saw this now. Munster PPS hoping to get games played tomorrow or Friday

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2406131229-training-smart-an-interview-with-cian-oneill/

This is a great great really really read about balance of training
He's record stands out as well proven and he imo just my opinion would be an expert in the field
I know when In Newtown there were delighted with him could not speak highly of him

dcrosskid wrote: »

That is an excellent article. O Neills record as coach since 08 is remarkable.

Tipp 08: AI semi
Tipp 09: AI final
Tipp 10: AI winners
Tipp 11: AI final
Mayo 12: AI final
Kerry 13: AI semi
Kerry 14: AI winners

He really knows how to get teams to peak at the right time. He brought Tipp from the dark ages in 08 and built the team up every year until we finally got the better of KK.

I'd agree and though should be posted here that's imo one of the great great I mean really really great articles but backed up by pure proven successful record and not just some off the wall opinion imo


He made key points regarding coaching and systems and tactical key to winning and that's where my greatest fear lies with cork football

TTM .. Of course sports science has a huge influence and input into sport at inter county level . The problem is a lot of skills and basic elements are lost when all S&C starts to take over. I know junior clubs who are bringing in S&C coaches and they will not see a Sliotar in trainng for weeks. S&C is becoming about bulk and size to detriment of skill and skilful ball players. I know in Cork a bit of proper S&C would do our hurlers no harm but JBM is on record as saying he wants hurlers not elephants. Elephants are winning the battle tho.

Rochestown play nenagh tommorrow in charville and imo should win and while the weather will balance it to nenagh favour in it could be low scoring rochestown dogged grit of beating caoimhins and winning war attrition will stand to them and they are used to charville ptich and I think they have too much for a fine nenagh team but limited up front  but character and spirit or organisation won't be a problem.
Ptich may pass the inspection in the morning but the wind hurricane style meant be there til afternoon, I don't see If that bad how they can play the game
We all want it to go ahead but this is knock out, players trained hard enough and made enough sacrifice on both teams so imo must be given a fair chance and not asked play in hurricane style winds.
Weather meant to break a bit the weekend.
If worst comes to the worst try play all weather ptich in evening like ul astro turf if needs must.
Yes it's longer drive for rochestown but it's a top ptich and good counsel and Athenry under sixteen fell victim weather was played last minute there, yes logistics were diffcult for good counsel but they won
Rochestown this team would absolutely fly on astro ptich as they like play fast hurling.
They can and won in the wet heavy ground but imo dry surface suit them




Rochestown are a credit to cork in their an awesome hurling school but football also and in day of dying breed of dualism they do try and and certainly among great dual school like good counsel in WExford

Bit like Ard scoil in they started their revolution only twelve years ago and absent for thirty years yet making step up last year got to the the semi final beating highly fancied Thurles along the way but being edged out by a dogged doon in charville.

Denis mcdonnell reinvented hurling to the school that really picks players from club from carrigline where captain David griffin is from, blackcock, Douglas,passage, tracton etc and in football nemo rangers they had few representives, Rome wasn't build in a day and they made steady progress and in 2003 got to the semi final cork under fourteen competition and lost the under sixteen final two years later
In 2007 they won both the under fourteen and sixteen titles.
This was all at c level

In 2008 they won the b final under fourteen and under fifteen reached the Munster b semi final.
They won the b under fourteen and under sixteen cork grades.

They won the frewn cup I'n football last year I'n mallow beating Brendan kerry team to kerry dommince of the competition and the likes shane Kingston played and lost In the all ireland final to good counsel a very good team
Got to the the Munster under fifteen final football last year
Got to the Munster under age football final again this year loose to flannans In Ballygran in the autumn

Last year they had a good dean ryan cup pushing templemore to four points in a high scoring game
This year they dropped down to the b under sixteen equivalent in hurling and won munster b beating Christ ri with harty cup current john sullivan playing

Last year in the harty they played six games in their debut year and beat likes midelton and Thurles and only lost two games to dungarvan and doon but lost close games
This year they won the callaghan cup for the ist time beating a much vaunted Ag team 2-9 to 1-6

They had the likes of mark dolan, aron ward. Shane Kingston Daniel meaney dual minors before injury David griffin, Sean powter all on cork under age team's and will have at least David griffin and shane Kingston and possibly john Cashman if not more involved this year hurling team and will also have football representives.

There coached by Diarmuid fahy originally from oola I think and Aidan lonergan a tipp man but a brilliant coach who Attention to detail second to no school coach in the country but imo equal to the best

Last year expierence will stand to them, captain David griffin who played and won minors football county with carrigline and was under twenty one hurling at club this year and was quite accomplished at that level I'n he's that good, shane Kingston who tormented limerick minors last year, John Cashman and paddy lynch and Liam o Sullivan, cathal sheehan all involved and of course Daniel meaney who recovery from injury he got with training cork minors football team last year.

I don't see any major weakness in the team in the central areas.
There not a marquee team by any means in fifteen star names, i don't think any school is bar possibly Ard scoil or kieran killkenny down the years and I'm not sure if they can with it outright in would they if they had to beat Ard scoil, I'm not sure but I'd give them a good chance, but there a team with in key position have a solid spine, good organisations, well coached and few outstanding hurlers.
I certainly believe rochestown could beat Thurles or castletroy if they met,particularly castletroy

Adrian culliane is solid keeper and made great save v caoimhins and in the ist game to charville

Full back line is water tight with Donnacha murphy tough no nonsense hurling , the brilliant David griffin who held clare aron shanagher and Danny gunning in games and Nathan walsh who's solid. In four unbeaten harty cup games in the group they conceded just one goal and I'n the callaghan cup final just one goal and the full back and defence imo is up their with the best left in the harty cup if even they could be the best to be honest

Darragh peters captain a sublime hurler and has played with tippeeary and was member the team three years ago won all ireland so if he's played up front needs watching but they are likely to play him at half back
If nenagh play him as a forward or back there robbing the rich to give to the poor as they will then either lack a half back or a forward either way rochestown benefit once they and I belive they will get the match up right

If peters starts griffin has to mark him.
That simple
If so means murphy will have to mark Haydon who is lethal and got two goal v nenagh and had midelton in trouble but lonergan is imo much much Better coach than dwayne is and wont be as naive to get the match up wrong
I'f peters starts at half back griffin for Haydon and john Cashman has to mark their only imo other lethal other danger man john cahalan and he's imperious in the air but Cashman dealt with Tim o mahony, dayne lee, at times and never was out of he depth and he marked hayes with caoimhins excellent when he had to.
I mentioned cahalan as one to mark before midelton game.
Midelton did not put their best defenders on him and paid the price id be shocked if rochestown done the same. There too cute to make that error

Mulrooney is good forward at centre forward but I'd prefer Cashman even has move from centre back and go the wing for mark cahalan and sheehan is well able for Mulrooney
If cahalan drifts in to full forward Cashman has to follow him and can't just hold the centre and allow one corner back pick him up, this guy is not just strong in the air he is imperious and needs be marked by Cashman imo or griffin but griffin will have he's own job to do in to mark Hayden

Half back line of kelleher and sheehan with Cashman is very good and ryan cantwell can come in if needs be as a sub

I saw them play limerick minors before Christmas and Andy loughanne gave an exhibition of midfield play for nenagh, two different limerick lads couldn't hold him even conor Byrne limerick minor last year found him tough as did the brilliant darragh caroll but john sullivan who has been brillant and just sixteen with more years at harty and certainly imo cork minor should be okay

The key imo for rochestown is to play Kingston at full forward as nenagh full back line while they have good hurling and fine as individuals hurling, as a unit is poor, saw them v limerick in challenge conceded three goals, six in four games in the harty, hammies took them for four in one game so the likes of Kingston,powter there is scoring there

Cormack cork minors panelist can score long distance and as he's cameo v templemore proved he can score also and himself and Kingston are their top scorers.

Cormack has v charville got nine points 7f one 65
V csoimhins six points frees
Thirteen v youghal. Most frees
Our lady's 2-6   3f

2-34 scored in four games total forty outstanding and most those from free bar last game biggest play
Nenagh have to keep free count down like any team when you have free taker facing you like outstanding Cormack

Shane kingston in three harty cup games has got three goals from play and around twelve approximately so from play he's the their top scorer
Id move out lynch to half forward and put Kingston inside with power and Liam o Sullivan
Kingston when he went in full forward v charville in Mallow in their ist game he was brillant and got goal and some brilliant scores
The reason he went in was limerick minors full back paddy loughlin was actually at centre back and charville needed him there , as was dominant but when Kingston went in charville never had loughlin follow him
If he did it meant rochestown has space outside
Charville needed loughlin in full back line and half back line but he can only be one place at a time
Nenagh are similar




Cormack should at least hold he's own with peters and limit him, once he doesn't dominate job done
John Kennedy wasn't named to start on the Munster website today but I'd expect unless injured as he gave a brilliant display v limerick minors and he can score long distance and got around threw points from play in that game
He needs be watched but if nenagh keep both peters and Kennedy at half back means two men of Kingston and power will cut loos inside in the full forward line.
If they put one in full back line they loose out the field with only one of peters and Kennedy in the half back line as a unit
Imo they are stuck between where to play their two best defenders

Rochestown drew with cit fresher's in a challenge a strong enough cit so there well primed
The biggest fear I have is dualism sooner or later will affect the football or hurling but hurling coming first I think the football will suffer and rochestown should win even with weather making it a bit of a lottery that could make it close game I just feel rochestown who beat nenagh last year handy in the group game have too many leaders and better players

Nenagh are a well coached fine side to get where they were against the odds and deserve huge credit.
Rochestown to win a low scoring game in bad conditions if it was dry day they would won it by more In I feel they have more scoring up front



The reason I'm confident is rochestown can adapt to a sweeper as they beat caoimhins Paul kinnerks sweeper system and can play orthodox also but more importantly I have total totally confidence in the rochestown management team who I rate highely
Rochestown have met every challenge head on in the callaghan cup and the harty so far so imo every reason for my confidence and no doubts I have
Yes they still got to turn up and perform and are young lads but there down to earth lads with a lot of leaders there and they will respect but shouldn't fear nenagh at all
Nenagh be fair beat midelton but midelton under poor management played a few key lads out of out position just like Ag last week and even in school hurling in my experience it's never a good idea and more so when you change the central spine of your team at full back, half back, midfield. Centre and full forward like Ag did.

Best of luck to rochestown and they are a credit to cork school hurling.

Cork v CIT - Waterford Crystal Cup Quarter-Final Saturday, 17th January

The Cork Senior Hurlers play Cork Institute of Technology on Saturday 17th January 2015 at the CIT Sports Grounds, Bishopstown, 2.00 p.m.
Waterford Crystal Cup Q/F : Cork v CIT
Saturday 17th. January 2015, at CIT 2.00 p.m.
Referee: John McCormack (Tipperary)
We'll have live updates from the game here on the website and on our Twitter page, @OfficialCorkGAA.
The Cork Senior Hurling team for Saturday’s game is:
Patrick Collins (Ballinhassig)
William Kearney (Sarsfields)
Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
Conor O’Sullivan (Sarsfields)
Brian O’Sullivan (Fermoy)
Lorcán McLoughlin (Kanturk)
Glen O’Connor (St.Finbarrs)
Brian Murray (Bishopstown)
Paul Haughney (Midleton)
Dayne Lee (Na Piarsaigh)
Andy Walsh (Killeagh)
Alan Frahill O’Connor (Youghal)
Stephen Moylan (Douglas)
Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)
Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
Subs:16. Anthony Nash (Kanturk) 17. Damien Cahalane (St.Finbarrs) 18. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields) 19. Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown) 20. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr) 21. Luke O'Farrell (Midleton) 22. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers) 23. Luke Meade (Newcestown) 24. Peter Kelleher (Kilmichael)

Note: Cian McCarthy is unavailable due to work schedules and Sean O’Donoghue is with the U21 Football squad this week-end. CIT and UCC players are unavailable for Cork selection in this competition.

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Team will near cit as presume cit who knows won't be taking it seriously but then pat mulchay huge fan of landers and jbm and jbm asked mulchay join him ist but he declined over commitment, so I think mulchay may do boys favour play strong team
I think bubbles is with tipp for completion though


Collins fine more games the better
Kearney fine in this game but again I don't think he's best corner back in cork
Joyce id be against it last year but now we have better depth at half back it's okay and be honest I'm so fearful cahalane get injured we have no cover and id rather Joyce any day than barry or o neill or mcdonnell
Worth a go

Conor sullivan needs games fine
Brian Sullivan I don't see it senior but fine in this game but if Cooper and walsh start for cit that half back line could be in real trouble as lorchan imo only one at senior
O connor is suited by some one like Cooper and relish tough hurling but if he ever marks bubbles or tj he's pace is exposed

Midfield haughney and Murray will do depending who plays cit and of Lawrence starts there these boys will look like all stars but test is up against WExford or ballyhale or tipp or clare

Lee deserves start and I'm delighted it's half forward he's best position
O connor deserves chance
Walsh I don't think so but at least with lee there's better balance and lee should thrive off breaks and offer creativity and guile

Inside full forward Paudie needs games
Darren Mccarthy proudly last chance and from what jbm saying just my take thry try him but huge step to senior I get feeling he knows. Mccarthy has up game and imo I don't think he's a corner forward or half forward in cork imo have better

Moylan needs up game, senior panelist in these games two points not good enough , four or five points and a goal imo
I'd prefer luke to start he needs games


Strong sub bench and corl should win if bench needs to be emptied imo but meade shouldn't get any game time in lad is playing biggest school game he's life Monday , vital player to hammies it's madness to play this guy even for ten minutes
This could be he's last ever harty cup game he's plenty time with cork
They talk about player burn out then
No logic imo meade being panel member as obviously he'll be played and if don't play him what point having him on panel when some one else could be there

Christ ri have big game in munster b quater final v hospital tommorrow

They have jack ryan cork under sixteen and barrs sean Dennehy who isn't on seventeen panel and Ian butler this year seventeen as far as I'm aware

Aidan Walsh has revealed that he received abuse from people within his own hometown of Kanturk after last year's All-Ireland semi-final defeat by Tipperary. (http://www.thescore.ie/aidan-walsh-cork-tipperary-1882249-Jan2015/)
I think this is fairly outrageous to be honest. I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting it from people outside his own club as you will always get those muppets but for it to come from his own is fairly low.
The least you'd expect is for your own neighbours to defend you. I wouldn't mind but these "supporters" probably don't know the first thing about the game. Aidan has always tried his best whenever he wore the red jersey, whether it was in hurling or football. I don't know what more people expect.

Rochestown won handy in end in late goal put gloss it

3-9 to two eight

Game pretty much panned out as I expected

Rochestown got match up bang on and nenagh has no scoring forwards bar one


If this was dry day they would won by more
Wonderful victory more detail report later
Great credit nenagh never gave up and had last minute free to save day but truth far better team won
Players and coaches deserves immense credit coaches got the game plan perfect absolutely perfect and rochestown had some fine individual displays

Smith614 wrote: »

TTM.. that's dedication to ur readers, filing ur reports from car at h/t and full time. Terrible day for hurling but well done to Rochestown. Kingston got few super points from play.

No I was in stand for all the game smith
Frozen soild
I never leave match during a game
What u make game and

dcrosskid wrote: »

ttm1, was there a shane hennessy on the programme for Nenagh? He was an exceptional hurler coming through underage but hasn't been able to hurl for the last 18 months. He was a county minor at 15 iirc but has barely hurled since. Supposed to be near a comeback now and rumors were that he might have been togging today.

He didn't start no was panel no 34

I'm talking to nenagh man now and he said he' should be on under twenty one team future if get clear run

The McGrath cup even when they win it will have been of no use to cork whatsoever as we seem oblivious to the obvious. There is no point in selecting the likes of desmond, hodentt and hayes who aren't senior level, same go's for Jennings who is even out of position.
Aas for the keeper, he is at this level an average keeper with a weak kickout - weak in the sense that he doesn't have the confidence to go long if a few go wrong for him. Why is price on the panel if he isn't getting a game here ffs? Is it select ohallorhan at all costs? since Cuthbert took over ohallorhan has played in every game bar the tyrone game last year where david hanrahan was excellent.
While with other management playing cadogan at centre back would only be for token, with this crowd it could be with some 'genius' plan involved. Cadogan is a fine full back as long as he is given cover by outside backs like ALL full backs, However he is a poor kicker and runs into rouble with the ball - cardinal sins for a 6.
Management are pinning everything on cussen, unfortunately like with jbm, walsh and counihan before this wont work but here we go again. Collins will do well against a pathetic Waterford team but is a half forward.
Again durrant is on the panel because he played minor with Kerry and bishopstown men are in awe of the green and gold, he admitted himself he had a poor club championship up until the final!
Barry o driscoll on the panel years like hayes - good in these matches not a championship player, if these 2 take championship panel places over the likes of Vaughan or maceoin we are in real trouble.
We will head into the Dublin league game with nothing learned unfortunately and without a coach - unbelieveable stuff

sean mac wrote: »

The McGrath cup even when they win it will have been of no use to cork whatsoever as we seem oblivious to the obvious. There is no point in selecting the likes of desmond, hodentt and hayes who aren't senior level, same go's for Jennings who is even out of position.
Aas for the keeper, he is at this level an average keeper with a weak kickout - weak in the sense that he doesn't have the confidence to go long if a few go wrong for him. Why is price on the panel if he isn't getting a game here ffs? Is it select ohallorhan at all costs? since Cuthbert took over ohallorhan has played in every game bar the tyrone game last year where david hanrahan was excellent.
While with other management playing cadogan at centre back would only be for token, with this crowd it could be with some 'genius' plan involved. Cadogan is a fine full back as long as he is given cover by outside backs like ALL full backs, However he is a poor kicker and runs into rouble with the ball - cardinal sins for a 6.
Management are pinning everything on cussen, unfortunately like with jbm, walsh and counihan before this wont work but here we go again. Collins will do well against a pathetic Waterford team but is a half forward.
Again durrant is on the panel because he played minor with Kerry and bishopstown men are in awe of the green and gold, he admitted himself he had a poor club championship up until the final!
Barry o driscoll on the panel years like hayes - good in these matches not a championship player, if these 2 take championship panel places over the likes of Vaughan or maceoin we are in real trouble.
We will head into the Dublin league game with nothing learned unfortunately and without a coach - unbelieveable stuff

Good Gawd almighty Sean, you have me reaching for the wommitorium with that amount of pessimism.
BTW, there's a picture of Walsh on that link posted above, celebrating a point he scored v Tipp last year down the pairc. Anybody know who did the donkey work and gave him a waist high pass in front of him?
Somebody should advise that young man that a shut mouth catches no flies. He overdoes this media stuff week in, week out, instead of telling those journos to scamper off. I don't buy that comment about Kanturk people giving him grief after the Tipp match either. There's nobody that brave in Duhallow.....lol

sean mac wrote: »

Sorry wacko, but haven't been this despondent about the cork senior football team since about 1 minute after losing to Fermanagh in croke park in the last decade. Havent heard a single positive thing to come out of the set up or to do with training or the set up for 2015

Cheer up Sean, sure didn't we win an All Ireland since then, and mark my words we will win another one before 2031.
You'd never know, moving the brains to Monaghan Road might spark a football revival?:D

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Ballincollig fans must think cuthbhert is brillant
 

not a hope

The sooner we can get players away from Cuthbert the better esp after the way he treated Pa Kelly last year

Man is a joke

Lads are getting game time in McGrath Cup even if most are out of position

Majority won't be on the panel for the league although Kiely will come into play then

The more time and more players we have training with Cork, it won't be good for the club